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168. How hard is it to politely disagree?

Fri Sep 27, 2013, 07:23 PM

Sep 2013

I haven't been here long, but it didn't take long to notice just how nasty and immature a number of the posters here are towards others. Or saying little snarky comebacks to try to egg other members on. Or any number of others things that just make you shake your head and go "Really?".

There also seems to be two distinct factions at war here. In the most basic of descriptions, one is the "Obama can do no wrong" crowd and the other is "The DLC Democrats are ruining the party" crowd. And both of them are equally as dogmatic. Makes for a lot of noise and not a lot of substance.

Common courtesy would be nice, but I'm betting that given what I've seen so far that there's been too much time and too many inappropriate words spoken for some to just forgive and forget. And I suppose on a site this size you have to expect some. But this board has an over abundance.

That is if the observations of a newbie mean anything to you.

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Advice about the new DU rules [View all] DonCoquixote Sep 2013 OP

alerting NightWatcher Sep 2013 #1

laugh DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #2

IBTL napkinz Sep 2013 #10

LOL! nt Vanje Sep 2013 #121

I foresee the clever troll creating 2 or 3 kamikaze socks to instigate members.. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #3

Oh yes DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #4

skinner said that creating other accounts will be considered a tos violation. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #7

Maybe DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #9

believe me he will enforce it. I really can not say much more on how but he knows. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #11

Ok DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #12

I hope it makes people behave more. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #13

It will. Rex Sep 2013 #45

"Concealed within his fortress, the lord of Mordor sees all. His gaze pierces cloud, shadow, earth, rug Sep 2013 #15

Mordorrrrrrrrrrr! hrmjustin Sep 2013 #18

You just don't walk into it. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #49

I thought Skinner's neighborhood was more like hootinholler Sep 2013 #30

You know what happened to Charlie. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #50

I think it's a bit more like the bridge guardian over the gorge of eternal peril. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #71

What's your favorite colour? Blanks Sep 2013 #92

I hope so because it doesn't seem like socks or zombies get the hammer as much as they could. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #20

Well people do try to come back and if they behave a draw no attention to themselves they are hrmjustin Sep 2013 #21

Except banning usually happens for a reason, and if the welcome mat is out for zombies, it becomes Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #24

I think this is why the admins are taking the issue head on. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #26

Hope so. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #27

I agree. I am glad they are dealing with it. Hopefully it means less work in Mirt for us. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #29

It is not complicated. Cookies and IP Address is the main ways. There are easy.... Logical Sep 2013 #41

The Cookies attract the trolls. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #87

Oatmeal raisin for me. n/t totodeinhere Sep 2013 #157

I won't say how but anyone who is fairly Net savvy will know how to make totodeinhere Sep 2013 #156

They are found. We do a good job in Mirt. The fact is if they are a disruptive they wil be found. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #158

OK, you can find them based upon their behavior. I don't doubt that. But there are ways totodeinhere Sep 2013 #173

Most sockpuppetry is trivial to deal with. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #131

I'd like to see that put on a giant sign on the welcome page. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #25

Burner Troll- noun, a kamikaze sock puppet. NightWatcher Sep 2013 #8

Good advice. dkf Sep 2013 #5

We NEED to clean house. Some of us are sick of people here supporting RW policies kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #33

RW policies like the ACA first proposed by Nixon? dkf Sep 2013 #35

Still waiting for you to express overt support for ANY liberal policies. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #38

Single payer, anti war, anti NSA, pro choice, card carrying member of the Democratic Party. dkf Sep 2013 #46

you noticed that? someone trying real hard to redefine themselves..... dionysus Sep 2013 #56

I always worry about anyone anxious to "clean house". Just doesnt sound very "politically liberal" rhett o rick Sep 2013 #63

Couldn't pipi_k Sep 2013 #86

I agree. HappyMe Sep 2013 #89

behavior is more the problem DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #70

Moral of the story is to behave. by the way as a GD host I feel the need to lock this. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #6

LOL Iggo Sep 2013 #101

i do not put much stock in it. i watched a hide not for the post, but the poster. the alerter seabeyond Sep 2013 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Sep 2013 #75

and that will continue to happen. The only difference is that the juror won't mention it. Gormy Cuss Sep 2013 #155

Well said, and I agree! Thank you, my dear DonCoquixote. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2013 #16

to be fair DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #19

when I first began posting on DU more than ten years ago I was a real hot head.... mike_c Sep 2013 #17

That prompts an idea, cause I think lots of us are likely to be like you described yourself.... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #51

did I ever threaten to kick your hothead ass, mike_c? Skittles Sep 2013 #74

I think you were generally on my side, LOL.... mike_c Sep 2013 #100

yeah well OK that makes sense Skittles Sep 2013 #154

Oh yeah, I remember annabanana Sep 2013 #111

"Don't rise to the bait" is excellent advice for life in general. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #22

Discuss ideas, not people. I like that advice. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #61

Re : Rising to the bait Vanje Sep 2013 #126

Yes. The Weiner-bashers, for example (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #128

Best thing to do is not respond. And if you must, keep it short and polite Autumn Sep 2013 #23

Returning "guns" to the gungeon would help etherealtruth Sep 2013 #28

I don't see how you can do that when these mass murders are part of.... Walk away Sep 2013 #32

I am stridently anti-gun etherealtruth Sep 2013 #40

Afraid thats par for the course now a days. daleanime Sep 2013 #58

I agree. There are three (3) groups/fora opened to guns, when there was once only one. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #43

I think we've had this discussion before etherealtruth Sep 2013 #47

^^^ Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #48

Thanks DonCoquixote. 99Forever Sep 2013 #31

How do you create a jury blacklist? leftstreet Sep 2013 #34

Click on My account, then the tab for juryblacklist. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #36

Oh duh leftstreet Sep 2013 #37

Your welcome. It is very useful. I think I have 7 or 8 people on it. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #39

Excellent advice, DonCoquixote! Cha Sep 2013 #42

Yoda was ready, yessssss... Rex Sep 2013 #44

Very good post, thank the Duer for me and yourself for posting it well, there are other concerns Dragonfli Sep 2013 #52

I'd be amazed if the admins aren't aware of this possibility. winter is coming Sep 2013 #53

One would assume, but one does not know as the issue was not addressed tho many others were Dragonfli Sep 2013 #54

Here is the admin view on the topic of frivolous alerts. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #72

Perhaps it's the intent, to ensure that people who post often MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #76

The thought had occurred to me Dragonfli Sep 2013 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author tridim Sep 2013 #55

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #57

I thought the jury system would be a good tool for policing ourselves..... Swede Atlanta Sep 2013 #59

I think the opposite is the problem. Most people do not vote to hide personal attacks. stevenleser Sep 2013 #81

K&R. Thanks, DonCoquixote. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #60

You do realize it's trivial to figure out what group this came from despite your edits? a2liberal Sep 2013 #62

I think everyone knows who the bullies are here in DU. The Righteous Bullies. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #64

Just fyi DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #67

sure a2liberal Sep 2013 #69

This is an important post. After Meta was shut down, the bullies have been rhett o rick Sep 2013 #65

Eh, I dunno... pipi_k Sep 2013 #88

Yep, I have learned to ignore some of the what I call, "junk posters" quinnox Sep 2013 #66

Thanks for the responses, and DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #68

If it's not broke, don't fix it. I really don't see why they changed it. Th1onein Sep 2013 #73

Innovators hate that expression. They certainly dont have that attitude at Apple. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #90

Anything that makes it more costly to people who are here NOT to make trouble, is NOT a Th1onein Sep 2013 #164

"goad people to reply in a manner that will get their post hidden." wyldwolf Sep 2013 #77

With respect, you dont know people very well. People can be goaded. Should they always rhett o rick Sep 2013 #104

I know people very well, hence my post wyldwolf Sep 2013 #139

I guess you've never seen a case where a bully continues to bully until the victim rhett o rick Sep 2013 #143

not without the 'bully' being suspended/banned/flagged whatever wyldwolf Sep 2013 #148

"breaking the rules" PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #106

I haven't been here very long but redstatebluegirl Sep 2013 #78

META! Iggo Sep 2013 #79

I think the Admins are aware of attempts to game the system. MineralMan Sep 2013 #80

Excellent advice. HappyMe Sep 2013 #82

I have to laugh at people blaming others for their own behavior Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #83

It's not really all that hard to not have posts hidden. nt redgreenandblue Sep 2013 #84

A member I recently put on ignore had something like 14 hidden posts in the last 90 days alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #85

agreed. unless someone is really trying this is a hard feat to accomplish. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #114

Five hides in 90 Days seems too small a number when especially when KoKo Sep 2013 #93

I had a post hidden for saying "I just can't argue with someone so dishonest. n/t" Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #94

I saw that. It's an example of why I think 5 hides is too low for 90 Days. KoKo Sep 2013 #96

If hides are going to be used to take away posting privileges then I would rhett o rick Sep 2013 #105

Calling someone "dishonest" is a direct personal attack. MineralMan Sep 2013 #122

In the case cited. "dishonest" WAS a euphemism... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #130

Calling someone "dishonest" is not using a euphemism. MineralMan Sep 2013 #132

fine Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #134

I think 5 are too many also. But I think it will work itself out. If too many people are getting rhett o rick Sep 2013 #109

Some thoughts about being on juries, after a recent one I was on muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #95

That was me. And checkout the comparisons made in other posts. Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #97

Yeah, well, I tried muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #98

Didn't know it was you, but I appreciated the fact that at least one fellow DUer.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #99

Thanks for pointing that out. It's happened before on DU where KoKo Sep 2013 #103

I don't understand locks Sep 2013 #179

or people can just stop being douchey. its hard to get 5 posts hidden in 90 days unless you La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #102

So you are saying that if you get 5 posts hidden in 90 days you deserve it? rhett o rick Sep 2013 #108

there are two people i can think about who ired others enough La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #110

what if 1 of 5 jury members is a rw troll or puppet from another site? n/t PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #112

you need to have 4 out of 6 to get something hidden, right? La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #113

You act like you are unaware of the liberal vs. conservative war raging here. People on both sides rhett o rick Sep 2013 #115

people vary in opinions here. unless users have gone out of their way to annoy a majority La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #116

there are infinitely more people of the further left here than otherwise wyldwolf Sep 2013 #141

that is mathematically impossible. n/t PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #142

I consider myself a Democrat of the ideological stripe of Bill Clinton. wyldwolf Sep 2013 #146

No PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #150

ok :) wyldwolf Sep 2013 #152

I agree, what's your point? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #144

It is unlikely you'll get jury full of people who don't think like you do wyldwolf Sep 2013 #147

Disagree with your framing Bobbie Jo Sep 2013 #181

There is definitely a spectrum of views represented here in DU. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #182

Just. Stop. Bobbie Jo Sep 2013 #183

I neither wrote nor rec'd the divisive OP I linked to. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #185

Maybe you are correct. PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #117

i was using "you" as a universal "you" La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #118

I read it how it was written PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #119

you're dead wrong and 6 other randomly chosen du'ers read it exactly as i intended La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #120

Good jury decision. zappaman Sep 2013 #125

i honestly didn't think there was another way to read it. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #129

I give back what others put out. PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #133

i trust most juries to not be full of people one hates, unless one has tried to achieve this status. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #137

enough has been said PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #138

Not unless you try really really hard... n/t zappaman Sep 2013 #135

Number of alerts means little Kaleva Sep 2013 #127

I hope you are right. It will shake out in any event. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #149

I just looked at a few member's profile pages Kaleva Sep 2013 #163

did you seabeyond Sep 2013 #169

Not till just now and I see you have no hidden posts! Kaleva Sep 2013 #170

i have reformed my ways, kaleva. i am a good girl, i am. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #172

Exactly! But some here would rather blame people for "goading" them. wyldwolf Sep 2013 #140

Good post Hekate Sep 2013 #107

Oh I'm totally fucked trumad Sep 2013 #123

lol. while i have been doing well... on the other hand. cute. i have faith in you trumad. seabeyond Sep 2013 #124

but, see, you own it. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #151

another thing multiple hides from the same poster on the same thread azurnoir Sep 2013 #136

If they're three good hides, I don't see a problem with them all being from the same thread or winter is coming Sep 2013 #175

in cases like the one I described I do azurnoir Sep 2013 #178

Bottom line is that people should observe Skidmore Sep 2013 #145

IE: Conform trumad Sep 2013 #162

More like a good citizen. MineralMan Sep 2013 #165

No, being courteous is not being a "bot." Skidmore Sep 2013 #167

Boring. trumad Sep 2013 #174

DU is never boring. There's too much going on to be bored. MineralMan Sep 2013 #184

You mean like Free Republic? trumad Sep 2013 #187

No idea. I have not been there for seven years. MineralMan Sep 2013 #188

There's a person here with over 30,000 posts. BlueCheese Sep 2013 #153

I believe jury comments like this are being dealt with by the administrators. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #161

Thank You, DonCoquixote. bvar22 Sep 2013 #159

I agree, Bvar22 Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #160

Agree 100% MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #177

Very good point about the activating the Alerts transparency function suffragette Sep 2013 #180

not worried about it upi402 Sep 2013 #166

How hard is it to politely disagree? BKH70041 Sep 2013 #168

they do DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #176

again thanks DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #171

The 5-hides rule is extremely vulnerable to abuse. gulliver Sep 2013 #186

I agree DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #189

Last word uppityperson Sep 2013 #190