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In reply to the discussion: When if ever does abortion make you uncomfortable/uneasy? [View all]saras
(6,670 posts)First, it's not my business unless it's my body.
Second, it's something that happens in context. Middle-class America isn't anywhere near my standards of good or normal. So everything there is a horrible compromise at best. We live in a world where nearly everything about consumer capitalism appears bizarrely corrupt, dysfunctional, and insane to me, so it's always necessary for me to think my way though these things. American cliche emotions don't work for me - the entire set of pre-neocon European attitudes towards sex seem hugely more grounded and sensible, although they are getting beaten down by corporatism too. So the entire issue appears, to me, utterly manufactured by the neocons, starting in the early seventies in rejection of feminism, civil rights, sexual liberation, and personal liberty, among other things.
For example, I don't buy the argument that infanticide coarsens people, unless it's something you're doing on the side, in a culture that disapproves of it in practice as well as in talk, for fun. In the real world, the fact that it's happening indicates that culturally, people are already at that level, and it's the CAUSES of that that need to change. In that world, it's incredibly UNlikely that being "more moral" about infanticide will change the rest of society in the necessary direction.
Or in blunter language, if you live somewhere that people all around you are so desperate that they have to kill babies, and killing infants seems normal, NOT killing the babies is not going to help your odds of survival. It's a good result to desire, but creating an individual example of the result exerts no force back on the governing situation.
If you live somewhere that you need abortions, whether because of ignorant sex, coerced sex, failure of birth control, or some other reason, NOT having that abortion is not going to change the causes of your ignorance, the forces that coerced you, the quality of birth control available, or in most cases, whatever else it was that motivated you. If you want to get rid of abortions, make them unnecessary without judging what people do to make them unnecessary.
The dominionist belief, on the other hand, is that the problem is original sin on the part of the woman, and the appropriate interim action until the Second Coming is that men control the women and the women suffer, both as God commands. They assert that having, and raising, the baby is deserved punishment. More liberal fundies believe that the problem is ignorance on the part of the woman, and that the experience of having and raising the baby will somehow be educational for the mother. Note that the fate of the baby is not a significant concern in either position. Original sin and all that.