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quaker bill

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189. It is actually false on both ends

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 07:18 AM

Sep 2013

Being saved from an Armageddon that is not going to happen is pretty simple. Heaven and hell are places we build in the here and now, in our own lives.

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but I think you are on to something here.

The essential difference in marketing is that while the problem in both cases is presented as a screed, in one case, the solution is attainable and simple, "believe" and "contribute". Things people can do, if they choose to.

The other is not "believe" and "contribute" but more "change the world". A thing people cannot imagine doing, even if they choose to.

People recycle, because they can and think it does good. It is a human scale endeavor. "changing the world" isn't human scale.

"If we do not change the world, we are doomed" is an impossible sell.

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Study: Everyone hates environmentalists and feminists [View all] TalkingDog Sep 2013 OP

No. LWolf Sep 2013 #1

"pedantic little screeds" about preserving our earth and supporting civil rights got you down? bettyellen Sep 2013 #2

In the end you have to decide what your goal is... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #26

Lol. The horrors of activism, I tell you... Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #81

K... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #87

if you find yourself personally insulted by who are working for a better world... bettyellen Sep 2013 #110

I think he/she has a point KT2000 Sep 2013 #135

Of course, that's the rub. ElboRuum Sep 2013 #446

You got it in a nutshell KT2000 Sep 2013 #134

That little add-on is fucked up is what that little add-on is. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #61

Canadians don't like overplayed stereotypes of "feminists" and "enviros" NightWatcher Sep 2013 #3

One of the most depressing days of my life. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #4

The world is full of adults that are still mentally teenagers. Dash87 Sep 2013 #85

Oddly enough, religion is still popular in the USA despite thousands of years of pedantic screeds Fumesucker Sep 2013 #5

Is that what church was all about? FrodosPet Sep 2013 #23

I don't know, you could ask the Canaanites n/t Fumesucker Sep 2013 #34

Sounds like you went to a good church. dawg Sep 2013 #67

You need a church to tell you how flawed, imperfect and in need of forgiveness you are? PassingFair Sep 2013 #260

So is it the product or the salesman? quaker bill Sep 2013 #77

I just find it odd that one group offering "pedantic screeds" is popular while others are not Fumesucker Sep 2013 #88

Presentation is everything quaker bill Sep 2013 #104

Eh, one group tells people what they want to hear, they are special.. Fumesucker Sep 2013 #115

Have you ever tuned in? quaker bill Sep 2013 #131

Meetings? Fumesucker Sep 2013 #188

It is actually false on both ends quaker bill Sep 2013 #189

i am pretty sure you have not only hit the nail on the head, but hammered it in and thru. seabeyond Sep 2013 #132

Seem... 99Forever Sep 2013 #6

yup, some Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #60

niceguy, are you suggesting no one is allowed to challenge the OP or they prove why a handful of men seabeyond Sep 2013 #66

my take on it is that you don't change they way people Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #69

merely challenge what is being said is defined by others as rude. how much coddling, how low do i seabeyond Sep 2013 #72

One of the most difficult parts of going through life as a woman. NCTraveler Sep 2013 #209

that is what this whole thread is about. this man and others can be rude, snarky and nasty as they seabeyond Sep 2013 #213

And more than some posters don't realize one key thing, because they didn't read the article, MADem Sep 2013 #362

please link where the term "sexist researcher" was used. anywhere? seabeyond Sep 2013 #363

Says the poster who directed personal insults at me, indicating that I was "sexist" MADem Sep 2013 #366

making stuff up. so, i am not allowed to express myself in this manner either. you will tell me seabeyond Sep 2013 #368

No, I'm not "making stuff up." MADem Sep 2013 #372

rant? isnt that a little, oh, i dont know, vingar'ish. any more insults. really, maybe, but i seabeyond Sep 2013 #374

...... MADem Sep 2013 #383

And of course, it's entirely the activists' fault. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #375

All I can suggest is that you read the article carefully (pay no attention to the headline, that's MADem Sep 2013 #380

most of the posters were troubled by the OP posters snarky put down ..... bettyellen Sep 2013 #388

The put down caused people to not even look at the actual study MADem Sep 2013 #392

it is nigh impossible to discuss serious issues without bringing people down in some sense. bettyellen Sep 2013 #394

It's a pity that confrontation is considered equivalent to conversation. MADem Sep 2013 #397

conversation is perceived as twice as confrontational when it's a woman who disagrees. bettyellen Sep 2013 #399

If you look at the abstract of the research project, you will see that they took two MADem Sep 2013 #451

No. People are pissed at what talking dog added. But you knew that and have known that and are going seabeyond Sep 2013 #455

No, I didn't "know" that. You aren't a very good mind reader. MADem Sep 2013 #474

we discussed this just a few hours ago... and you seemed to agree. *shrug* bettyellen Sep 2013 #479

I am thinking. Thinking I read it on three maybe four posts. See, a hoot. Lol. Nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #482

You are easily amused. MADem Sep 2013 #486

as are you. i dont read your post. in a sentence or two, want to tell me why you are copying my post seabeyond Sep 2013 #488

I don't find you "amusing" in the slightest. MADem Sep 2013 #492

My initial posts were about the content of the study. MADem Sep 2013 #485

not really odd. the comment in the OP was crappy flame bait.... bettyellen Sep 2013 #489

Push poll? MADem Sep 2013 #491

so... no one here said the researchers are sexist, yet you keep posting about it? bettyellen Sep 2013 #493

Read the study. It doesn't "reinforce stereotypes." Not the focus or the goal. nt MADem Sep 2013 #503

No mind reader here. Just reading your post that said exactly that. But wtf, right? seabeyond Sep 2013 #481

if you read responses carefully- you'll see that most had an issue with the editorial added at the bettyellen Sep 2013 #478

You didn't read the article very carefully, or the abstract. MADem Sep 2013 #494

So no one here called the researchers sexist, but you dislike us all discussing a phenomenon bettyellen Sep 2013 #500

"US?" MADem Sep 2013 #502

so, neither you or the researchers were actually called sexists but you fixated on that idea, shiny bettyellen Sep 2013 #507

If you are told "I'll bet you shoot people dead every day" they don't have to call you a murderer MADem Oct 2013 #510

not really. there's a BIG difference between saying you expressed an idea that is sexist and bettyellen Oct 2013 #511

No, there isn't. I'm not playing the martyr, but interesting characterization. MADem Oct 2013 #512

that's why I said playing. ... nuance. bettyellen Oct 2013 #513

oh, buck up man. geez. no one called you a sexist. it is a discussion. you said, so i said. here, seabeyond Oct 2013 #514

YOUR words---YOUR words, directed AT and ABOUT ME.... MADem Oct 2013 #515

i think copy and pasting and saying.... I SAID, is pretty much owning it. and no, i have no issue. seabeyond Oct 2013 #516

Your post was rude, hurtful and condescending. It was also untrue. MADem Oct 2013 #518

i do not care about the study. nor does most on this thread. why will you not let that go. alert. seabeyond Oct 2013 #519

So, not only do you refuse to apologize, you double down and insist that it is "OK" to MADem Oct 2013 #523

and btw. if i am all that in hateful, wtf are you doing listening to me. cause you ONLY listen to seabeyond Oct 2013 #517

Way to PROVE you didn't read the study! MADem Oct 2013 #521

seriously? you are still on the study that i told you I. DO. NOT. CARE. ABOUT. seabeyond Oct 2013 #522

I thought you were "DONE?" Ahhh, now you're "really, done here dude." MADem Oct 2013 #524

"pedantic screed belittling people for not behaving and thinking exactly the way you think" Squinch Sep 2013 #7

^^ this ^^ Duppers Sep 2013 #185

Good link. Squinch Sep 2013 #225

i had never used the word feminist. i have a father and brother that watch fox. i used the term on seabeyond Sep 2013 #234

With my conservative relatives, it got Squinch Sep 2013 #238

ha ha. well, i have always held my own with my testosterone driven men, lol. i am the grounding seabeyond Sep 2013 #243

+1 nt NCTraveler Sep 2013 #210

Their behavior taints their movement LittleBlue Sep 2013 #8

What? ljm2002 Sep 2013 #19

Maintaining ideas they dislike BainsBane Sep 2013 #48

No, YOUR behavior taints our movement. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #22

Quite true, but feminism doesnt do itself any favors davidn3600 Sep 2013 #24

what exactly does that mean? Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #25

Is it difficult to think of examples... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #29

Care to give some examples of that? leftynyc Sep 2013 #47

You seem awfully anxious for a gotcha moment... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #54

I asked three questions leftynyc Sep 2013 #58

I calls em like I sees em... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #59

No one even knows what feminism means anymore.... davidn3600 Sep 2013 #65

Apparently you haven' talked to a real feminist in decades if you think what you geek tragedy Sep 2013 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Sep 2013 #107

feminism is simply the radical notion that women are people--rebecca west. niyad Sep 2013 #358

no, it is obviously you who does not understand what Feminism is. bettyellen Sep 2013 #387

It has nothing to do with men's feelings... davidn3600 Sep 2013 #393

a full 1/3 of your post was about coddling men. and now you'd like feminists to work on men's bettyellen Sep 2013 #398

Well then, enjoy a movement that will remain in the fringe davidn3600 Sep 2013 #400

You might start with your own sexism. chervilant Sep 2013 #404

Oh, So Im the sexist one? davidn3600 Sep 2013 #407

Sad that you refuse to see... n/t chervilant Sep 2013 #409

Here... chervilant Sep 2013 #410

I admitted no such thing. We are trying to rectify injustices, it's really quite simple. bettyellen Sep 2013 #436

Obviously we have different opinions so we will have to leave it at that. davidn3600 Sep 2013 #439

You continue to ignore history to bolster your inaccurate theory. We continue to try to educate bettyellen Sep 2013 #440

Let's see. The women's movement has taken women from a condition where they could Squinch Sep 2013 #415

That is true treestar Sep 2013 #297

please be good enough to give specific examples of that last sentence of yours. and I do mean, niyad Sep 2013 #350

My frustrations is comments like "pay women the same as a man doing the same job." joeglow3 Sep 2013 #57

do look at studies. even in same position, same experience, fresh out of college, men are paid more seabeyond Sep 2013 #64

When you cherry pick certain fields, you get those results joeglow3 Sep 2013 #68

i cherry picked, because you cherry picked an EXCUSE why women make less gravitating seabeyond Sep 2013 #74

everything in that example was "college educated" hfojvt Sep 2013 #83

Single women under age 30 make more money than single men of the same age and qualifications davidn3600 Sep 2013 #118

bullshit. link.or isnt happening. i provided a good source that calls you opinion as wrong. simple seabeyond Sep 2013 #119

Well I dont have any recent stats on hand at the moment, but this was a few years ago... davidn3600 Sep 2013 #122

wow. apples and oranges dude. college degree vs the men that are not getting a degree. seabeyond Sep 2013 #123

So you are suggesting that it is just full blown sexism? davidn3600 Sep 2013 #129

I know it is true of every firm I ever worked for. bettyellen Sep 2013 #318

No - you are wrong leftynyc Sep 2013 #73

False. Women make less than 100% of their male counterparts in the same positions... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #112

Oh dear... Texasgal Sep 2013 #120

No, RWers like Rush calling Feminists 'feminazis' and using lies to describe them did that. Not the stevenleser Sep 2013 #167

That must be it... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #184

You're right, it is. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #198

Exhibit A. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #525

Exhibit D. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #527

Your comment richly illustrates chervilant Sep 2013 #32

Please, david, tell us feminists here how we can improve! Do you have suggestions CTyankee Sep 2013 #42

It's difficult to explain... jberryhill Sep 2013 #228

wow, I wonder what in god's name was wrong with her... CTyankee Sep 2013 #267

Hmmm.... jberryhill Sep 2013 #273

I never did understand this crap... CTyankee Sep 2013 #274

I seem to recall one complaint BainsBane Sep 2013 #445

Nothing wrong with feminism. Feminism is a valued construct. MADem Sep 2013 #373

There is a modicum of truth joeglow3 Sep 2013 #53

how many men have come on this thread, that are well known for dissing womens issues, tell us seabeyond Sep 2013 #70

I agree completely with you joeglow3 Sep 2013 #95

thank you so much... seabeyond Sep 2013 #99

Not at all LittleBlue Sep 2013 #92

You often can find whatever results you are looking for Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #9

And an OPer that uses polls encouraging stereotyping as an excuse to insult groups of people Squinch Sep 2013 #10

I am not afraid of labels either Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #113

The concept of equal rights is very threatening to many people. Squinch Sep 2013 #130

I don't get it myself. Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #137

Oh, that's a great idea for a name. Squinch Sep 2013 #139

That may be true, I hadn't considered competition, Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #148

Speaking of voting... redqueen Sep 2013 #193

Another excellent reason to stay single. Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #218

my hubby followed mine. start of marriage, he voted bush. by 2004, he voted kerry seabeyond Sep 2013 #220

Very true... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #20

speaking of polls-- I remember reading about one years ago, where sections of the declaration of niyad Sep 2013 #483

Movements that are at cross purposes to the corporate status quo LadyHawkAZ Sep 2013 #11

That is very true. Squinch Sep 2013 #276

yup -- and of course "mainstream" activities like "fundraising" are much more easily tolerated fishwax Sep 2013 #390

diss two progressive groups with some popcorn. ya. that says a lot. seabeyond Sep 2013 #12

No sexism on the left, no siree bob. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #96

ya know... any more in the face? lol. gonna do seabeyond Sep 2013 #100

may the serenity embrace you back nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #101

ahhh. lol. i think it will. thank you. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #102

oh jeeze I am a feminist with a degree in Environmental Science etherealtruth Sep 2013 #13

You really are BainsBane Sep 2013 #142

see, being on du for a while we all walk away from the surprise. we want to say we are surprised, seabeyond Sep 2013 #143

I was not suprised etherealtruth Sep 2013 #200

Unrec for your attempt to flamebait. n/t demmiblue Sep 2013 #14

"pedantic screeds"? More like tons of money spent to caricature those terms and turn people against MH1 Sep 2013 #15

The study is interesting if a bit depressing... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #16

Wow, surveys involving a whopping 62 respondents in one case, and 228 in another . . . hatrack Sep 2013 #17

Huge, massive studies these are... LisaLynne Sep 2013 #18

Recent poll showed similar results on feminism davidn3600 Sep 2013 #21

That's not really odd. LisaLynne Sep 2013 #30

The right did no more than vocalize a common sentiment Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #89

"the modern feminist (...) She is Fred Phelps in a pants-suit" ljm2002 Sep 2013 #275

Let's just review some of Demo Chris's proudest moments in that comment: Squinch Sep 2013 #277

Those kinda posts are so very revealing. nt redqueen Sep 2013 #279

It's got me thinking, though. That post is an illustration of the reasons why there is no end Squinch Sep 2013 #288

"we don't need to appeal" i like your post. i really really like it. thank you. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #299

Thinking about it, I was totally stunned to realize that it has only been 35, maybe 40 years Squinch Sep 2013 #306

couldnt even get a cr card or a bank acct. and that was acceptable. though by the time i came to seabeyond Sep 2013 #308

I love this whole comment. MadrasT Sep 2013 #413

Isn't it great to step back and realize that all this silliness these guys are spewing Squinch Sep 2013 #416

wow, it's amazing how much ill you are happy to spew when knowing nothing about the topic. bettyellen Sep 2013 #322

I do, in fact, have a daughter. She considers herself feminist... Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #332

i call bullshit. what vocal feminist is out there that you are hearing that is so damn outrageous seabeyond Sep 2013 #339

This thread, your response, and chervilant Sep 2013 #328

If you care about an 80% disapproval rating, yes you do... Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #335

so your personal attacks and pejoratives are dandy and must be listened to, but no one is allowed seabeyond Sep 2013 #340

As you are undoubtedly aware I have made no personal attacks... Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #348

nah. you worked hard to put a whole lot of insult in each and every post. and something can tell seabeyond Sep 2013 #349

now, tell me who this big bad feminist is that is so damn vocal to have turned your whole family off seabeyond Sep 2013 #351

I remember someone hear saying it was someone who said "no thank you, I can open the door myself" bettyellen Sep 2013 #443

Coordination?!? chervilant Sep 2013 #402

Seems to be inflating his importance just a tad, doesn't he? In his mind he's fighting the Squinch Sep 2013 #411

These men on DU who are strongly agreeing with the right's message are a clear indication... redqueen Sep 2013 #194

exactly... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #75

like the proverbial school teacher nun who might slap you on your hands with a wooden ruler Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #27

People don't like to give up privilege and profit BainsBane Sep 2013 #141

even ordinary people - including some working class people who are not in any particular position Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #168

So it's wrong to oppose war? BainsBane Sep 2013 #170

so, the option is what? stay silent? say nothing? the reality is... people that speak up and out seabeyond Sep 2013 #171

Those same people also prefer Rush Limbaugh BainsBane Sep 2013 #172

I'm just stating the obvious - and I am not talking specifically about government policy Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #174

you are right. and as i said, those are not the people that any of us, regardless of the issue, are seabeyond Sep 2013 #177

"Pedantic screeds" like the last paragraph of your OP, for example? Heidi Sep 2013 #28

Oh, but if it's in favor of the status quo, it's not pedantic BainsBane Sep 2013 #50

+1000 Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #62

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #31

that's the title of the article. cali Sep 2013 #33

Only the one Salon used; Pacific Standard had "Environmentalism? Perhaps. Environmentalists? Ewww!" muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #40

Interesting comments following the article. n/t Laelth Sep 2013 #35

Flamebait theHandpuppet Sep 2013 #36

The OP is expressing their feelings. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2013 #39

Both obvious and irrelevant. LanternWaste Sep 2013 #45

Wouldn't the "pedantic screeds" also count as expressions of feelings? And yet, there are those Squinch Sep 2013 #412

When you type "pedantic screed", it looks like you've been proven wrong by someone muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #37

I can see that. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2013 #38

so who says "Tree Hugger" and "hippie" are negative terms? G_j Sep 2013 #41

I'm going to cry ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #43

I don't hate you--but then, I am one of those evil enviro feminists, who, frankly, does not give niyad Sep 2013 #356

you want I should kick your boo-hooing ass, ismnowasm? Skittles Oct 2013 #528

And studies show that nearly everyone in this thread thinks you are full of it. Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #44

I imagine many people require the ethical convenience... LanternWaste Sep 2013 #46

Also, you know ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #49

Oh, you saw PCU too? Imagine that. Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #51

*** Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #190

That was on last night Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #498

No, only a small group of assholes selected for this study hate feminists and environmentalists nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #52

but what of feminist environmentalists? ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2013 #55

This study is truly depressing to me. My friends, myself and other people of like minded thoughts.. BlueJazz Sep 2013 #56

I think you do know what you're doing! And I think you will happily survive and thrive Squinch Sep 2013 #476

What a shame you do not see the irony in your comment intaglio Sep 2013 #63

People tend to hate truth-tellers. dawg Sep 2013 #71

you're funny. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #76

Thanks. dawg Sep 2013 #79

Ah, so you're one of the successfully conditioned "reactives" the study was talking about villager Sep 2013 #78

i havent seen you forever seabeyond Sep 2013 #80

Well, I don't know about "mellowed out," but things have kind of... culminated, recently villager Sep 2013 #91

You win the thread nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #84

I love it when people pretend to take the high road by taking the low road. Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #82

+1,000,000 Heidi Sep 2013 #108

You win the internets today Warpy Sep 2013 #133

I don't know you how you tell people about colony collapse disorder. raouldukelives Sep 2013 #86

ha! G_j Sep 2013 #176

often times, feminists seem to be their own worst enemy quinnox Sep 2013 #90

Yeah, telling the truth is really awful! CTyankee Sep 2013 #114

It's hard to keep up with the full list of what he doesn't like BainsBane Sep 2013 #145

It tells me chervilant Sep 2013 #403

If there were consequences for bigotry against women BainsBane Sep 2013 #405

Consequences, indeed. chervilant Sep 2013 #408

I can't see the post itself BainsBane Sep 2013 #417

okay... chervilant Sep 2013 #430

Just like any movement, there are all kinds. Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #117

Similar to atheists. A small amount taint the term for the rest of us in the public's eyes. Throd Sep 2013 #126

It does take all kinds. Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #128

Yeah, even in the Democratic party BainsBane Sep 2013 #146

Hey, if I don't announce that I am a good feminist, Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #151

I have no interest in becoming the kind of feminist people like that consider acceptable BainsBane Sep 2013 #161

I'll concede that point quinnox Sep 2013 #147

but you know, using "old school marm" was a dig that feminist have endured for decades, right? seabeyond Sep 2013 #150

Oh hell, Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #152

As I said, you are not the feminists I had in mind quinnox Sep 2013 #154

! redqueen Sep 2013 #195

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Sep 2013 #205

sadly not BainsBane Sep 2013 #249

Something tells me I won't be getting an answer. nt redqueen Sep 2013 #282

I can help you out with that BainsBane Sep 2013 #324

Oh, wow. kcr Sep 2013 #224

OK now I'm curious... redqueen Sep 2013 #281

i really did not either until he made another comment about being attacked by others. reading again, seabeyond Sep 2013 #155

I don't know the history of that term, it just came to me quinnox Sep 2013 #153

but, you do get the jab that we on du get here consistently enough, right? seabeyond Sep 2013 #158

You would never see me do something like that quinnox Sep 2013 #160

But, you see, that it the point about stereotypes Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #156

you make a good point quinnox Sep 2013 #157

That applies to so many other topics here on DU The Straight Story Sep 2013 #294

Yes, I have seen it too often as well. Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #296

What they need to do is make sure only white men can talk in public BainsBane Sep 2013 #144

Apparent flamebait is apparent. Iggo Sep 2013 #93

Just more unfortunate confirmation that all the fact and truth in the universe can't fix stupid. Zorra Sep 2013 #94

This could have been a good discussion. Could have. Sissyk Sep 2013 #98

You are absolutely right. MADem Sep 2013 #386

Too bad they don't hate inequality and environmental destruction, huh? Arugula Latte Sep 2013 #103

^^^^^There ya go! That's the right answer! Squinch Sep 2013 #291

I would not be offended by being called a tree hugger upaloopa Sep 2013 #105

as w/ every movement for social change, it takes all types of feminists n/t zazen Sep 2013 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Sep 2013 #109

After his hit and run OP he is nowhere to be found or heard. stevenleser Sep 2013 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Sep 2013 #191

It wouldn't matter how nice they are. Notafraidtoo Sep 2013 #111

I've also heard that everybody loves Raymond. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #116

That's a dirty lie. Orrex Sep 2013 #149

Yeah, and you loved Raymond too, please check with your doctor jberryhill Sep 2013 #230

I don't give a fuck about Raymond. JVS Sep 2013 #463

Best. Spinoff. Ever. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #465

Telling people what they don't want to hear is not popular, go figure. alarimer Sep 2013 #121

Yep! Right on, alarimer! CTyankee Sep 2013 #124

OMG... i donna think that you were "nice enough" when saying this. you are a seabeyond Sep 2013 #125

What's truly funny... 99Forever Sep 2013 #138

They aren't interested in change... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #159

you have been here a week and a half and this is how you feel about women. do you know how ignorant seabeyond Sep 2013 #163

I haven't talked much about how I feel about women... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #183

Best. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #165

Great post. Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #173

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #175

this. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #180

this this this this this redqueen Sep 2013 #196

People also hate Obamacare but love the ACA. aquart Sep 2013 #127

So is FEMEN in or out? riderinthestorm Sep 2013 #136

You haven't keep up on FEMEN, have you? BainsBane Sep 2013 #140

If you want the truth about Femen, I can give it to you stevenleser Sep 2013 #162

Hmm. Articles about Femen still mention him kcr Sep 2013 #178

I can give you two folks, one of the leaders in her own words in the interview I did and the person stevenleser Sep 2013 #199

but you must have seen them publicize Viktor's attack on their web site in July naming him as bettyellen Sep 2013 #203

Kitty Green herself, the movie producer, agrees with me. You believe what you want to believe stevenleser Sep 2013 #206

I'll believe what I SAW. Viktor being touted on their website. And the interviews detailing the bettyellen Sep 2013 #208

Of course, you disregard all first person accounts and believe what you want to believe. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #211

she dismisses a woman, trying to keep the flow of money, with her very own words contradicting seabeyond Sep 2013 #216

When the person tells two different stories? Yeah Steve, I will deduce that one story's a lie. bettyellen Sep 2013 #229

No, not person, people. Everyone personally involved agrees with me including the outside observer stevenleser Sep 2013 #231

Oh gosh, you have no idea, do you? Ignore the history and swallow the bullshit. bettyellen Sep 2013 #235

but but but... the seabeyond Sep 2013 #236

hilarious to see someone speak of w/ such authority @ movie they have never seen! bettyellen Sep 2013 #251

Your grasp of only accounts that support you discredits your viewpoint completely. stevenleser Sep 2013 #240

I take into account the recorded history of the group, while you totally ignored it. bettyellen Sep 2013 #242

You ignore everything that doesnt support your hatred of these fellow 2nd wave feminists. stevenleser Sep 2013 #286

I actually like them much more than I do the suckers who believe their bullshit. bettyellen Sep 2013 #381

wow betty. that is awesome research. maybe you can do an interview? nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #384

Actually, it took five minutes- most of that was fed to Steve so he could prepare for his interview bettyellen Sep 2013 #385

The facts point to Viktor still being a member of Femen kcr Sep 2013 #221

No, they don't. The movie illustrates that. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #222

Well, that settles it. kcr Sep 2013 #223

Seeing as how the movie is the reason people know about Victor at all... stevenleser Sep 2013 #226

Maybe kcr Sep 2013 #250

And pointing at a movie you have never seen- PRICELESS. bettyellen Sep 2013 #255

The kicker is, he has NOT seen the movie, LOL. bettyellen Sep 2013 #241

The kicker is, neither have you. Yet you repeat information from the movie, just like I do. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #246

Nope- repeated what I saw on Femen's website. And read some older interviews on their founding. bettyellen Sep 2013 #254

See my #256 nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #257

LOL, you hadn't even SEEN the movie LOL. WTF? You just repeated whatever that bettyellen Sep 2013 #232

Neither have you. But you repeat information from the movie others have imparted to you. stevenleser Sep 2013 #247

No Steve, I read interviews with Femen's founders and looked at their website. Keep up! bettyellen Sep 2013 #252

LMAO. You mean you cherry picked the parts to attack them. As usual. stevenleser Sep 2013 #256

Reading articles that describe how Viktor and another woman cofounded Femen years ago is cherry bettyellen Sep 2013 #259

And immediately you are wrong. Victor came along several years after Femen was founded. stevenleser Sep 2013 #262

Not according to many articles, the film maker who you tout here.... basically everyone until she bettyellen Sep 2013 #264

LOL. And once again, I have the full interview with the person involved. You keep running into that stevenleser Sep 2013 #265

Your bias showed when you did not bring up ANY of the many conflicts between her new story... bettyellen Sep 2013 #269

I have no bias. Your hatred of Femen for reasons you wont admit to is evident in every post. stevenleser Sep 2013 #284

you displayed tons of bias in that interview- perhaps you need to run it by a colleague bettyellen Sep 2013 #316

Again, if you continue to hate these women so much, you are eventually going to have to say why. stevenleser Sep 2013 #426

You persist in making shit up. And deflecting completely that you did no backround research for the bettyellen Sep 2013 #437

LOL. Steve would like us to forget the big stink they made @ Viktor on their website this July.... bettyellen Sep 2013 #227

No, I dont want anyone to forget anything. I want all facts considered. Its you who doesnt. stevenleser Sep 2013 #233

the movie doesn't cover the biggest lies told at all- that's found in their interviews and website bettyellen Sep 2013 #237

See my #256 nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #258

you call doing basic research "cherry picking", LOL. That's not journalism, it's toilet paper. bettyellen Sep 2013 #261

See my #256 nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #263

What is it about Femen that causes such profound angst, makes it so important to discredit them? Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #278

It's bizarre. See Seabeyond's #244 below. The folks here who attack Femen stevenleser Sep 2013 #280

My satire meter is horribly out of whack these days. I just can't tell anymore. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #285

Its an interesting dichotomy if you think about it stevenleser Sep 2013 #289

It's like anything else-"Christian" can encompass everything from 'love thy neighbor' to Fred Phelps Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #295

there we go. you two, of all people pattering on about feminism. what a truly fuckin hoot. and no seabeyond Sep 2013 #300

then why do it? Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #301

You're making the mistake of thinking that DU is the world, it's not. stevenleser Sep 2013 #424

ewll there you go steven. another assumption. thank you for correcting me on something you made up seabeyond Sep 2013 #431

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Ha ha....SERIOUSLY!! PassingFair Sep 2013 #505

Guess who cares what you think about feminism? BainsBane Sep 2013 #421

LOL, this isnt about me, its about you and others whose vitriol against Femen is beyond bizarre. stevenleser Sep 2013 #422

NO, we don't all know that BainsBane Sep 2013 #432

Ha ha, a little Wiki is a dangerous thing. A B and C are all belittling stereotypes.... bettyellen Sep 2013 #441

Yes, You men are so smart. boston bean Sep 2013 #497

I can and have articulated reasons- they are a fraud. I am not anti porn- I am anti mornonic bettyellen Sep 2013 #379

"you and Warren"... I actually haven't offered an opinion one way or the other on FEMEN, actually Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #395

Here is the full interview I did with Inna Schevchenko, one of the main leaders of Femen stevenleser Sep 2013 #428

There is something truly astouding about male entitlement BainsBane Sep 2013 #419

I understand why you attempt to divert the focus from yourself, but I'm not buying the tactic. stevenleser Sep 2013 #425

They are run by the Larry Flint of Russia, for one BainsBane Sep 2013 #418

That's B.S. You hated them long before the Svyatski allegations. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #427

I had my suspicions with good reasons BainsBane Sep 2013 #433

thank you for taking the time to spell it out from dot to dot to dot. not like this has not been seabeyond Sep 2013 #434

I do notice that some people- speaking of observation- sure enjoy ridiculous caricatures. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #453

Jesus Christ BainsBane Sep 2013 #460

If that's the case, that I "think everything is about me" I'm DEFINITELY not the only one. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #464

Okay, I'll take your word for it BainsBane Sep 2013 #466

Without specifics, I don't know what yr. talking about. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #467

I'm not going back over there to go through specifics BainsBane Sep 2013 #469

Okay, well, I've been consistent. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #470

As for FEMEN, which was the actual subject of my post BainsBane Sep 2013 #461

It doesn't piss me off. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #468

Yes, every time I post about violence against women BainsBane Sep 2013 #471

Just do me one favor, okay? It's not "my" group, and I'm not responsible for anyone's words but mine Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #472

LOL BainsBane Sep 2013 #325

I wonder where atheists placed? longship Sep 2013 #164

how about liberal. i am sure the few men that are applauding this so stupid study, could be seabeyond Sep 2013 #166

people dont like assertive women, men especially do not like assertive women La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #179

And most of society doesn't like men doing things that are designated "feminine." davidn3600 Sep 2013 #187

i agree with you. violation of gender norms are punished La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #202

you made me think about this- what "angry" protesters are not a big "turn off" bettyellen Sep 2013 #245

Yep, you nailed it. They LOVE and reward assertive men, and it's interesting to watch. bettyellen Sep 2013 #207

hey talking dog. why did you walk away from your thread. you flamebait, you insult the majority of seabeyond Sep 2013 #181

Yep that's who turns me off feminists and environmentalists who are active in their cause lunasun Sep 2013 #182

here's a screed for you Duppers Sep 2013 #186

Ever look at the way gun owners are frequently described on this board? badtoworse Sep 2013 #192

Yes. That's true. Because gun owners are fighting for their economic survival, and Squinch Sep 2013 #290

Environmental extremists oppose literally everything badtoworse Sep 2013 #499

This has it all backwards (as do many of the folks commenting on this thread). MadrasT Sep 2013 #197

Right to the heart of it. UtahLib Sep 2013 #204

I think I can shed some light as to why Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #201

What are you talking about? DanTex Sep 2013 #214

are you wagging the finger. tsk tsk. or was the poster you replied to, wagging the finger. hm.... seabeyond Sep 2013 #217

This type of knee jerk response Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #248

Sorry, I don't have much of a soft spot for climate deniers... DanTex Sep 2013 #266

I am not a climate denier. The problem is you can't accept opposing view points Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #310

Opposing points of view are great provided they are informed and intelligent. Yours is neither. DanTex Sep 2013 #313

I believe in global climate change that is influenced by anthropogenic sources Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #420

Again, the things you are saying do not square with the IPCC report, or the opinion of DanTex Sep 2013 #423

Freerepublic polled and every member hates environmentalists and feminists. NCTraveler Sep 2013 #212

Wait, seriously? That is a quote from Freeperville? Squinch Sep 2013 #293

I'm sorry, are the privileged men having a sad over women refusing to just be submissive eye candy? NuclearDem Sep 2013 #215

"recruited via Amazon's Mechanical Turk" = unlikely to be a scientific sampling. Gormy Cuss Sep 2013 #219

Amazon has a "Mechanical Turk"? Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #287

that is a stereotype. Not all environmentalists and feminists are confrontational and aggressive. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #239

and what if they are confrontational and aggressive? all types are needed to be heard. raidical seabeyond Sep 2013 #244

All types, unless they are Femen, right? They're somehow doing it wrong according to you. stevenleser Sep 2013 #268

per the womans own words, they are clueless what feminism is and need a man to tell them. wink. seabeyond Sep 2013 #302

What woman's own words? Link please. Also, you are now changing what you wrote above? stevenleser Sep 2013 #304

Show me the link where a woman said Femen are clueless and need a man to tell them what to do n/t Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #315

it was in Steve's interview w/ one of their leaders. It's mind numbingly foolish. bettyellen Sep 2013 #317

OMFG... did she actually say that? redqueen Sep 2013 #321

yep, they didn't understand the whole patriarchy thing till several years in, LOL..... bettyellen Sep 2013 #323

Thanks. I'll go listen and see what was said... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #326

she gives out the same story in her newest interviews.... bettyellen Sep 2013 #327

Have you got links to anything I could read? Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #330

I have do do a search and will PM you. bettyellen Sep 2013 #341

That sounds good. Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #342

Here is an assortment of links, enjoy the contradictions! bettyellen Sep 2013 #378

"if you read up, her stories keep changing" redqueen Sep 2013 #337

I agree that is why Steve did not research. He pretends he wasn't handed links on a silver platter. bettyellen Sep 2013 #344

Violet, if you want, PM me and I will put you in touch with them so you can hear from Inna stevenleser Sep 2013 #429

They're doing it wrong according to everyone who isn't obsessed with boobs. redqueen Sep 2013 #314

I'm not obsessed with boobs, and I don't think they're doing feminism wrong... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #329

Hey, if racist, imperialist feminism which capitalizes on ibjectification is yoir definition of redqueen Sep 2013 #331

It's not racist, imperialist feminism, though... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #333

Oh it's racist as hell, but I'm not surprised you don't notice. redqueen Sep 2013 #334

Are you accusing me of being blind to racism?? Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #338

That's rich. nt redqueen Sep 2013 #357

One of their "aims" is to destroy Islam. There's also some crazy crap about taking over the world.. bettyellen Sep 2013 #346

dont they want to cut of mens, you know, or is it rip out their heart? what was it? but, hey, show seabeyond Sep 2013 #352

It is pretty funny that their defenders ignored all the crazy talk. bettyellen Sep 2013 #355

FEMEN�s Painfully Inappropriate Japan "Tribute" JI7 Sep 2013 #389

That is a strange protest Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #396

�What can be more stupid than Ramadan? What can be more uglier then this religion?� JI7 Sep 2013 #391

Same with folks who open carry to bring awareness to their rights as well I guess The Straight Story Sep 2013 #298

human equality = carry a gun. whatever. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #303

Was referring to tactics used in promoting a message (nt) The Straight Story Sep 2013 #307

wtf... why dont you compare feminis/conservationists to phelps. seabeyond Sep 2013 #309

Ah, Is that going to be -today's- ridiculous misinterpretation of something I said? Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #311

and wtf are you doing linking me to one of your posts. i was addressing another poster using gun seabeyond Sep 2013 #347

yeah, surreal. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #370

Agreed. Most are normal LittleBlue Sep 2013 #253

I've sort of given up on making this point, but I'll reiterate it anyway. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #272

The fact is, the 'calm down and say it nicely' song and dance is routinely performed by those redqueen Sep 2013 #283

So you would say that the European Journal of Social Psychology has an agenda, then? Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #305

And everyone used to hate civil rights activists. Gormy Cuss Sep 2013 #270

Social engineering works. Rex Sep 2013 #271

No. You are NOT stupid. Sadly, even social engineering by Rush Limbaugh works. Squinch Sep 2013 #292

And since Hate Radio is an ongoing thing, decades old Rex Sep 2013 #457

Mechanical Turk? xmas74 Sep 2013 #312

"everyone" is a douchebag, in that case. Quantess Sep 2013 #319

I think the lesson of this study is something I learned at my great grandmother's knee: MADem Sep 2013 #320

Yes, AND, there will always be a--holes who use this trite "meme" to their advantage. Quantess Sep 2013 #336

I think anyone reading the study would take the essential conclusions to heart--IF they wanted to MADem Sep 2013 #343

everyone hates liberals also. you want a softer stick MAdem, cause that is not gonna fly on du. seabeyond Sep 2013 #353

Posts like yours are what don't "fly on DU." Maybe you need to reread this thread. MADem Sep 2013 #359

you are a hoot. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #361

No, I am not a "hoot." I read the thread, I read the OP, and I even clicked the links to find MADem Sep 2013 #364

really? i am not allowed to think you are a hoot? cause i thought you were a hoot? but i guess, seabeyond Sep 2013 #365

I think I will save this one, too. MADem Sep 2013 #369

not enough sugar here either. lmfao. all this joy i am passing to you and you are totally rejectin seabeyond Sep 2013 #371

Once more, into the breach. MADem Sep 2013 #376

just a gigglin. you have made my night. you take care now. and bless that little heart of yours. seabeyond Sep 2013 #377

Fine with me. MADem Sep 2013 #382

Actually, vinegar works better than honey for catching flies. DanTex Sep 2013 #414

Flies LOVE grapes. Balsamic vinegar is cooked wine, in actual fact. MADem Sep 2013 #447

I contend flies like shit better than vinegar, grapes, honey or wine seabeyond Sep 2013 #448

I've tried it with regular red wine vinegar, and it works great, but again that's grapes. DanTex Sep 2013 #462

Well, flies love fruit, so they're going to be happy with funky apple, too! MADem Sep 2013 #473

Yeah I think it's a fruit thing. Haven't seem them go after whiskey or beer either. DanTex Sep 2013 #475

now slugs- they LOVE beer! you can dig little swimming pools and sink cups of beer @ ground level bettyellen Sep 2013 #480

wine works, too Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #504

the biggest problem is removing the cup of slugs in beer without spilling it, or vomiting, LOL. bettyellen Sep 2013 #506

Actually I have been quite pleased with this product, since I live in slug country Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #508

what a load of codswallop. just like that whacked "professor" who refuses to use any women's niyad Sep 2013 #345

Trashing the thread. Tien1985 Sep 2013 #354

That is not what the OP says. MADem Sep 2013 #360

People who believe those stereotypes don't deserve to be pandered to. n/t mattclearing Sep 2013 #406

exactly- slowly those around them will be educated, and they will catch up to the new norms.... bettyellen Sep 2013 #438

Well, that's not what the researchers are saying. MADem Sep 2013 #449

The snide remark is mostly what prompted my response. mattclearing Sep 2013 #450

That's understandable. MADem Sep 2013 #452

Nice hit and run job there. mattclearing Sep 2013 #367

Seems like that poster has done that a few times now nolabels Sep 2013 #444

I don�t. So I guess I'm not in the "everybody" group. gtar100 Sep 2013 #401

I'll take a "tree-hugger" or "hippy" any day over a life long demo Sep 2013 #435

Thank the propaganda on TV. Ash_F Sep 2013 #442

Just FYI Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #454

OK, but the participants were American Ash_F Sep 2013 #456

Ah, yes, you are correct. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #458

Sounds like a place to do grunt work online, for pay. Ash_F Sep 2013 #459

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Sep 2013 #477

Proud to be a Feminist and an Environmentalist... Jasana Sep 2013 #484

thank you and welcome aboard! bettyellen Sep 2013 #490

Hey bettyellen, thank you for the welcome! Jasana Sep 2013 #495

;-) , Love your bird, BTW. bettyellen Sep 2013 #501

I think you missed a turn somewhere on the series of tubes. LeftyMom Sep 2013 #487

100% flamebait nt steve2470 Sep 2013 #496

What part of "pervasive stereotypes" did you not understand? 6000eliot Oct 2013 #520

righwing assholes did a good job demonizing these groups Skittles Oct 2013 #526