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118. Some peaceful protests get pretty angry, what with bullhorns and many people shouting slogans

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 03:35 PM

Sep 2013

and possibly even blocking traffic. If it's your contention that no one could ever be placed in fear in such circumstances, I would have to strongly disagree.

Personally, and I want to emphasize that I am speaking only for myself here, I would not be fearful of a holstered and secured weapon in plain sight. I can understand that others might be terrified, and I would not open carry even if it were legal in my state (it's not), but I grew up in a gun culture/neighborhood/household. Everyone had a .22 rifle by their eighteenth birthday, and got their CCW at the same time. Guns were not, and are not, a big deal for me.

Having said that, there are too many people who are carrying guns who've obtained them for some personal projection of power that I don't quite understand. I wish I knew a way to filter out these individuals. In my state, the local police chief has discretion over who may or may not carry a pistol, the idea being that the local cops have a pretty good idea of who the troublemakers are. It works very well for us, as we have among the lowest gun crime rates in the country.

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A terrible precedent is being set with guns in public places... [View all] kentuck Sep 2013 OP

yep obxhead Sep 2013 #1

No doubt AlbertCat Sep 2013 #143

Every case I've read about, including the Soccer game stunt, has been for publicity. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #2

It is domestic terrorism. kentuck Sep 2013 #3

Yup. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #4

Which raises more questions pintobean Sep 2013 #11

Watch out or you'll be accused of being an Infowars addict. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #34

Ironic that RBKAers have to worry that excersing their "rights" might look like terrorism coldmountain Sep 2013 #55

Oh yes, gun control advocates spend a lot of time truebluegreen Sep 2013 #122

Sadly true. inch4progress Sep 2013 #164

It's not terrorism, just a stupid method of protest that works against them NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #13

Terrorism doesn"t require violence... kentuck Sep 2013 #19

There has to at least be a direct threat of violence. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #25

These assassins seldom give a warning. kentuck Sep 2013 #29

I think they are using the legal definition rather than a definition based on the effects of the act Dragonfli Sep 2013 #40

There is a threat of violence. JoeyT Sep 2013 #33

This same logic has justified countless crackdowns on peaceful oppositions. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #38

Fair enough. JoeyT Sep 2013 #45

Open carry is stupid. It convinces no one to support it. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #73

Your comparison is silly, unless the demonstrators are carrying machetes or guns or other objects Dragonfli Sep 2013 #49

History proves you are wrong. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #75

I didn't deny there are fascists governments attacking protesters. Dragonfli Sep 2013 #149

Disagree. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #150

I am sorry, I can't even take you seriously, armed gunman doesn't equal peaceful protester. Dragonfli Sep 2013 #152

Adios. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #158

Ridiculous. kcr Sep 2013 #59

Nope, I do not agree nt Tumbulu Sep 2013 #64

DEFINITELY! How could it not be viewed as a threat? calimary Sep 2013 #119

Bingo! pitbullgirl1965 Sep 2013 #138

There is the implied threat of violence, IMHO. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #133

I understand. Open carry is stupid. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #142

There has to at least be a direct threat of violence. AlbertCat Sep 2013 #145

Thye word I'm leaning toward is Sedition. nt NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #147

Wouldn't terrorism require a law to be broken? Flatulo Sep 2013 #79

Are you walking your dog to make a point? jberryhill Sep 2013 #92

Does it matter? Intimidation is in the eye of the beholder. Me, I'm terrified of kittens. Flatulo Sep 2013 #97

Yes, intent matters jberryhill Sep 2013 #104

In your example, it would depend on why you undertook that action. If I was about to be hit Flatulo Sep 2013 #112

"it would depend on why you undertook that action" jberryhill Sep 2013 #127

I can honestly say that I've never heard of walking a dog 'with intent'. Flatulo Sep 2013 #129

"I'm sure it depends in large part on the circumstances and venue" jberryhill Sep 2013 #130

How can the law determine the intent, other than after the fact? Flatulo Sep 2013 #131

There can be jberryhill Sep 2013 #139

Great explanation, John. Thanks for taking the time. Flatulo Sep 2013 #153

Lol jberryhill Sep 2013 #156

jberryhill, that is one of the best responses I have ever read on this board. yourmovemonkey Sep 2013 #162

Thank you Stryder Sep 2013 #140

Jberryhill and I go back a few years. I've always been impressed with his wit and humor and Flatulo Sep 2013 #154

But if you pick up the dog... kentuck Sep 2013 #135

Making verbal or written threats can sometimes be construed Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #168

Please be careful with this definition, any protest or movement could fall under terrorism charges pediatricmedic Sep 2013 #87

No it couldn't. kentuck Sep 2013 #107

Some peaceful protests get pretty angry, what with bullhorns and many people shouting slogans Flatulo Sep 2013 #118

Terrorism requires terrorizing people AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #56

No it does not, just walking into a public place Tumbulu Sep 2013 #60

I'd be very interested in seeing how many people sought medical attention after this stunt. Flatulo Sep 2013 #80

Should the same rules you propose apply to people who walk through busy streets with Flatulo Sep 2013 #93

injured and killed. Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #126

There are rules about these dogs in most cities Tumbulu Sep 2013 #160

I think a large part of the 'terrible suffering and anxiety' that the presence of a BB gun causes is Flatulo Sep 2013 #173

By the way, can you provide me with links to the news of the lockdowns your town has endured Flatulo Sep 2013 #174

No links, just calls from the Superintendent Tumbulu Sep 2013 #189

I'm truly sorry that these events have caused you and your community so much anxiety. Flatulo Sep 2013 #192

I have no idea why Tumbulu Sep 2013 #193

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I'm of the opinion that if our 24/7 blood and guts news media Flatulo Sep 2013 #194

Yes, I agree with you that the feeding frenzy Tumbulu Oct 2013 #198

Two points nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #170

So you think shoving a gun in your face is not a direct threat of violence. Bandit Sep 2013 #175

Now I'm getting tired of the unhinged responses. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #178

If you think that the general population has not been Tumbulu Sep 2013 #191

and Penile Inadequacy Compensation. lastlib Sep 2013 #37

Your right on about this. Tippy Sep 2013 #47

Yes, but not really a good masquerade Tumbulu Sep 2013 #62

That's exactly what it is, these swaggering lunatics spoiling for a fight Warpy Sep 2013 #177

I (almost) wish that all gun nuts would do the "Open carry in stores and public places thing"... BlueJazz Sep 2013 #90

You may get your wish on that one davidpdx Sep 2013 #165

Anyone who would do that G_j Sep 2013 #5

It's "ass hattery" in the first degree! n/t rdharma Sep 2013 #6

I would call the police warrior1 Sep 2013 #7

Calling the police is the best solution. rdharma Sep 2013 #24

It is public intimidation, pure and simple... hlthe2b Sep 2013 #8

there is a reason we aren't seeing this in TX elehhhhna Sep 2013 #9

ummm... It is happening in Texas Ohio Joe Sep 2013 #50

if they were ex cops they know they would be breaking the law themselves pasto76 Sep 2013 #81

yeah? shit is different around here. elehhhhna Sep 2013 #128

Here in the US we always end up ceding control of public space tblue37 Sep 2013 #10

Most of all, it is just stupid. kentuck Sep 2013 #12

It is the stupid policy yet. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #14

I believe the video linked below is a major underlying cause of such "displays". Snarkoleptic Sep 2013 #15

They always seem to make these "statements" rrneck Sep 2013 #16

Good point. Nor in a bank, LOL. nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #67

Well... Open carry is illegal at Wall St. Glassunion Sep 2013 #99

Yep. rrneck Sep 2013 #109

Or a bank or airport..... Bandit Sep 2013 #176

It's absolutely insane. nt DLevine Sep 2013 #17

After all the school shootings, if I were a parent and some nutjob came on to a Public Field libdem4life Sep 2013 #18

Outlaw open carry and mandate concealed carry. hack89 Sep 2013 #20

Better solution -- outlaw both. Hoyt Sep 2013 #52

Too late for that. hack89 Sep 2013 #57

Could if people who worship gunz actually started acting responsibly. Hoyt Sep 2013 #65

That's nice hack89 Sep 2013 #68

OK. Please let us know when you and your buddies act responsibly and leave your gunz at home. Hoyt Sep 2013 #72

You will be the first to know. Pinkie promise. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #76

Reverting to Deadwood. ananda Sep 2013 #21

The term antisocial applies to.. 99Forever Sep 2013 #22

They are clearly self indulgent imbeciles (until they cross "that line" and become psychos) etherealtruth Sep 2013 #23

you're completely right samsingh Sep 2013 #26

remember kentuck....... madrchsod Sep 2013 #27

... Electric Monk Sep 2013 #141

Yep! kentuck Sep 2013 #157

The right to swing your fist... kentuck Sep 2013 #28

Another version...my Dad's saying: Your freedom ends where my nose begins libdem4life Sep 2013 #85

We all need to start making public comments (loudly enough for them to hear) world wide wally Sep 2013 #30

I simply cannot agree with all of that The Straight Story Sep 2013 #31

I hope it backfires ... GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #46

I agree seems like a tempest in a teapot to me... EX500rider Sep 2013 #101

Indeed, it should not be, but some peddle fear on this topic The Straight Story Sep 2013 #113

The message they're trying to send seems to be "2nd amendment rights. Get over it." Gormy Cuss Sep 2013 #115

Did you forget the sarcasm thingie? truebluegreen Sep 2013 #124

:-)__~~% kentuck Sep 2013 #125

Then could easily ban Open Carry and still not infringe on any gun rights. n-t Logical Sep 2013 #32

With concealed carry there is no need for OC. hack89 Sep 2013 #44

I've felt for some time that the other side has a never-ending contest going. lpbk2713 Sep 2013 #35

Truth. PsychGrad Sep 2013 #134

One thing people understand, even republicans Turbineguy Sep 2013 #36

There is no difference between these douchebags and the ones who go around flashing their genitals. madinmaryland Sep 2013 #39

my thought exactly n/t KT2000 Sep 2013 #43

It's just a substitute allowed by the law. lpbk2713 Sep 2013 #51

ones who go around flashing their genitals. AlbertCat Sep 2013 #148

Hopefully it will backfire. GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #41

Some people also want to go into public places and flash at people LiberalEsto Sep 2013 #42

i disagree pasto76 Sep 2013 #84

Because billh58 Sep 2013 #48

! KG Sep 2013 #53

It's all about intimidation AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #54

Every nut carrying in public is a "bad guy with a gun" in my opinion. mountain grammy Sep 2013 #58

These fools are everywhere... We have people here on DU that support this non-sense Ohio Joe Sep 2013 #61

K&R Solly Mack Sep 2013 #63

I agree gopiscrap Sep 2013 #66

I get it. You'd have to be crazy to carry a gun around, and sane if you didn't. Robb Sep 2013 #69

Then outlaw open carry, and make concealed-carry permits... krispos42 Sep 2013 #70

It's too easy to get a concealed carry permit already...... rdharma Sep 2013 #86

It's state-by-state... krispos42 Sep 2013 #103

Should be handled at the Federal level. rdharma Sep 2013 #106

Registration won't fly krispos42 Sep 2013 #114

Registration will pass sooner or later. rdharma Sep 2013 #120

I'll make you a deal. Robb Sep 2013 #144

Look What Happened cynzke Sep 2013 #71

Try actual facts for some credibility DonP Sep 2013 #180

Just one small correction Chuuku Davis Sep 2013 #74

Don't you just hate it when folks use improper gun terminology! rdharma Sep 2013 #88

Wild West mentality heaven05 Sep 2013 #77

Actually, in the "Wild" West, you had to leave your guns at home if you wanted to go to town... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #96

I wholeheartedly agree with the stupid analysis. heaven05 Sep 2013 #146

You can't fix stupid. kentuck Sep 2013 #78

The GOP: Soft on domestic terrorism -- of which this is an example. Hekate Sep 2013 #82

I do not spend my money in any place that welcomes folks with guns. mbperrin Sep 2013 #83

That's the way to do it! rdharma Sep 2013 #89

Ask the business owner if he allows guns in his business? kentuck Sep 2013 #110

I don't ask - I leave when I see a gun. Happens fairly frequently out here in mbperrin Sep 2013 #116

Are there actually establishments that post 'Guns Welcome' or some such? I've only heard Flatulo Sep 2013 #181

Haven't see any signs. But I have seen people with open carry guns mbperrin Sep 2013 #182

Wow. What state are you in? We don't have open carry in Massachusetts. Flatulo Sep 2013 #183

We don't have it here in Texas, either. mbperrin Sep 2013 #186

Yikes, that takes some chutzpah to walk around openly strapped illegally. Flatulo Sep 2013 #190

There DO seem to be plenty of people with no imagination mbperrin Sep 2013 #196

agreed. spanone Sep 2013 #91

I support the 2nd amendment, but there is just something wrong with the open carry people. Throd Sep 2013 #94

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #121

Hmm cyberswede Sep 2013 #123

I wish - knowing that it will never happen - kiva Sep 2013 #95

If anything, the precedent is that people carrying guns hasn't lead to increasing crime Taitertots Sep 2013 #98

The precedent being set is public rejection of open carry. SecularMotion Sep 2013 #100

There is a time and place for open carry. Most of these Glassunion Sep 2013 #102

"Open carry for all" is a marketing campaign turned into religious zealotry. DirkGently Sep 2013 #105

And that's part of it, right there -- to try to get everyone used to it. nt Buns_of_Fire Sep 2013 #108

Stupid. PsychGrad Sep 2013 #136

Whaddya mean?! kentuck Sep 2013 #137

Just another symptom of our 3rd world status Doctor_J Sep 2013 #111

Well said. mbperrin Sep 2013 #117

What happens when one nut job with a gun out showing of Pakid Sep 2013 #132

K&R&Trashing. You're right. I'll get interested when someone propose something effective. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #151

I Would Not Recommend Visiting The US otohara Sep 2013 #155

Couldn't agrees more. MichiganVote Sep 2013 #159

Total scary, unstable freakazoids IMO lunasun Sep 2013 #161

Your title confused me for a moment. Kablooie Sep 2013 #163

It is a terrible precedent davidpdx Sep 2013 #166

NRA = Nuts B Calm Sep 2013 #167

If only the law allowed them to walk around with their dicks hanging out, they wouldn't feel valerief Sep 2013 #169

They only do it RoccoR5955 Sep 2013 #171

The best word I can come up with to describe this trend is... mantis49 Sep 2013 #172

If I saw an idiot walking around with an AR-15 slung over his/her shoulder, I would not hesitate to Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #179

Where has someone brought a machine gun to Starbucks? N/T GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #184

Here's a large pistol strapped to the chest of a man in black. mbperrin Sep 2013 #187

Large pistol is NOT a machine gun. GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #188

I'm not the OP, don't know about the other, but a large pistol is not a toy and will kill you quite mbperrin Sep 2013 #195

My point is that the OP is false. GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #197

That was one thing that was mentioned. There were others, and the one I documented. mbperrin Oct 2013 #199

And he was arrested - in tht state. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #200

Indeed...it's hard to get through the Crap from RW about Gun Displays... KoKo Sep 2013 #185

I saw a guy in the park swinging his daughter in a swing with a holstered gun gollygee Oct 2013 #201