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378. Here is an assortment of links, enjoy the contradictions!

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 11:48 PM

Sep 2013

Viktor co created Femen:
http://pineapplesandcaviar.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/anna-hutsol-and-vitaly-svyatsky-femen-kiev/

The new *since the movie came out* story, similar to what Steve heard claiming Viktor did not help form group and has been out of the group for over a year!! :

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/victory-svyatski-femen-man

Except Viktor is named as an important member and consultant for Femen (on their own site) 11 months after they claim he was gone:
http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-femen-activist-beaten/25056646.html

A new story claiming the documentary shows a fictional conflict with Viktor for drama's sake:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/interview-femen-mastermind-victor-svyatski-on-fleeing-ukraine-a-924524.html

One story about them in the woods where they are driven to the border:

http://article.wn.com/view/2013/08/31/Founders_Of_Topless_Protest_Group_Femen_Flee_Ukraine_Fearing/#/related_news

A different story about them in the woods, where they had to go on foot- (there is a third version where they get a lift from strangers- can't find it) :

http://rt.com/news/lukashenko-kgb-femen-missing-235/

One story about them leaving Kiev in fear (but they had already moved out many months prior to open foreign offices)
http://news.yahoo.com/femen-founders-leave-ukraine-fearing-lives-172000650.html

Another story with different why and where of leaving Kiev, in fear again:

http://joed205.blogspot.com/2012/11/femen-opens-first-office-abroad.html

Why they actually left Kiev:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/naked-march-in-paris-to-open-new-office-of-femen-feminist-group-a-856780.html

How Femen does't want protesters with hips, but does want the skinny gals to shut up and make money for them:
http://www.brasildefato.com.br/node/13101

Crazy amusing that anyone takes this crap seriously:
http://www.zeit.de/sport/2012-06/interview-femen-ukraine-protest

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my take on it is that you don't change they way people Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #69

merely challenge what is being said is defined by others as rude. how much coddling, how low do i seabeyond Sep 2013 #72

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that is what this whole thread is about. this man and others can be rude, snarky and nasty as they seabeyond Sep 2013 #213

And more than some posters don't realize one key thing, because they didn't read the article, MADem Sep 2013 #362

please link where the term "sexist researcher" was used. anywhere? seabeyond Sep 2013 #363

Says the poster who directed personal insults at me, indicating that I was "sexist" MADem Sep 2013 #366

making stuff up. so, i am not allowed to express myself in this manner either. you will tell me seabeyond Sep 2013 #368

No, I'm not "making stuff up." MADem Sep 2013 #372

rant? isnt that a little, oh, i dont know, vingar'ish. any more insults. really, maybe, but i seabeyond Sep 2013 #374

...... MADem Sep 2013 #383

And of course, it's entirely the activists' fault. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #375

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most of the posters were troubled by the OP posters snarky put down ..... bettyellen Sep 2013 #388

The put down caused people to not even look at the actual study MADem Sep 2013 #392

it is nigh impossible to discuss serious issues without bringing people down in some sense. bettyellen Sep 2013 #394

It's a pity that confrontation is considered equivalent to conversation. MADem Sep 2013 #397

conversation is perceived as twice as confrontational when it's a woman who disagrees. bettyellen Sep 2013 #399

If you look at the abstract of the research project, you will see that they took two MADem Sep 2013 #451

No. People are pissed at what talking dog added. But you knew that and have known that and are going seabeyond Sep 2013 #455

No, I didn't "know" that. You aren't a very good mind reader. MADem Sep 2013 #474

we discussed this just a few hours ago... and you seemed to agree. *shrug* bettyellen Sep 2013 #479

I am thinking. Thinking I read it on three maybe four posts. See, a hoot. Lol. Nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #482

You are easily amused. MADem Sep 2013 #486

as are you. i dont read your post. in a sentence or two, want to tell me why you are copying my post seabeyond Sep 2013 #488

I don't find you "amusing" in the slightest. MADem Sep 2013 #492

My initial posts were about the content of the study. MADem Sep 2013 #485

not really odd. the comment in the OP was crappy flame bait.... bettyellen Sep 2013 #489

Push poll? MADem Sep 2013 #491

so... no one here said the researchers are sexist, yet you keep posting about it? bettyellen Sep 2013 #493

Read the study. It doesn't "reinforce stereotypes." Not the focus or the goal. nt MADem Sep 2013 #503

No mind reader here. Just reading your post that said exactly that. But wtf, right? seabeyond Sep 2013 #481

if you read responses carefully- you'll see that most had an issue with the editorial added at the bettyellen Sep 2013 #478

You didn't read the article very carefully, or the abstract. MADem Sep 2013 #494

So no one here called the researchers sexist, but you dislike us all discussing a phenomenon bettyellen Sep 2013 #500

"US?" MADem Sep 2013 #502

so, neither you or the researchers were actually called sexists but you fixated on that idea, shiny bettyellen Sep 2013 #507

If you are told "I'll bet you shoot people dead every day" they don't have to call you a murderer MADem Oct 2013 #510

not really. there's a BIG difference between saying you expressed an idea that is sexist and bettyellen Oct 2013 #511

No, there isn't. I'm not playing the martyr, but interesting characterization. MADem Oct 2013 #512

that's why I said playing. ... nuance. bettyellen Oct 2013 #513

oh, buck up man. geez. no one called you a sexist. it is a discussion. you said, so i said. here, seabeyond Oct 2013 #514

YOUR words---YOUR words, directed AT and ABOUT ME.... MADem Oct 2013 #515

i think copy and pasting and saying.... I SAID, is pretty much owning it. and no, i have no issue. seabeyond Oct 2013 #516

Your post was rude, hurtful and condescending. It was also untrue. MADem Oct 2013 #518

i do not care about the study. nor does most on this thread. why will you not let that go. alert. seabeyond Oct 2013 #519

So, not only do you refuse to apologize, you double down and insist that it is "OK" to MADem Oct 2013 #523

and btw. if i am all that in hateful, wtf are you doing listening to me. cause you ONLY listen to seabeyond Oct 2013 #517

Way to PROVE you didn't read the study! MADem Oct 2013 #521

seriously? you are still on the study that i told you I. DO. NOT. CARE. ABOUT. seabeyond Oct 2013 #522

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"pedantic screed belittling people for not behaving and thinking exactly the way you think" Squinch Sep 2013 #7

^^ this ^^ Duppers Sep 2013 #185

Good link. Squinch Sep 2013 #225

i had never used the word feminist. i have a father and brother that watch fox. i used the term on seabeyond Sep 2013 #234

With my conservative relatives, it got Squinch Sep 2013 #238

ha ha. well, i have always held my own with my testosterone driven men, lol. i am the grounding seabeyond Sep 2013 #243

+1 nt NCTraveler Sep 2013 #210

Their behavior taints their movement LittleBlue Sep 2013 #8

What? ljm2002 Sep 2013 #19

Maintaining ideas they dislike BainsBane Sep 2013 #48

No, YOUR behavior taints our movement. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #22

Quite true, but feminism doesnt do itself any favors davidn3600 Sep 2013 #24

what exactly does that mean? Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #25

Is it difficult to think of examples... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #29

Care to give some examples of that? leftynyc Sep 2013 #47

You seem awfully anxious for a gotcha moment... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #54

I asked three questions leftynyc Sep 2013 #58

I calls em like I sees em... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #59

No one even knows what feminism means anymore.... davidn3600 Sep 2013 #65

Apparently you haven' talked to a real feminist in decades if you think what you geek tragedy Sep 2013 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Sep 2013 #107

feminism is simply the radical notion that women are people--rebecca west. niyad Sep 2013 #358

no, it is obviously you who does not understand what Feminism is. bettyellen Sep 2013 #387

It has nothing to do with men's feelings... davidn3600 Sep 2013 #393

a full 1/3 of your post was about coddling men. and now you'd like feminists to work on men's bettyellen Sep 2013 #398

Well then, enjoy a movement that will remain in the fringe davidn3600 Sep 2013 #400

You might start with your own sexism. chervilant Sep 2013 #404

Oh, So Im the sexist one? davidn3600 Sep 2013 #407

Sad that you refuse to see... n/t chervilant Sep 2013 #409

Here... chervilant Sep 2013 #410

I admitted no such thing. We are trying to rectify injustices, it's really quite simple. bettyellen Sep 2013 #436

Obviously we have different opinions so we will have to leave it at that. davidn3600 Sep 2013 #439

You continue to ignore history to bolster your inaccurate theory. We continue to try to educate bettyellen Sep 2013 #440

Let's see. The women's movement has taken women from a condition where they could Squinch Sep 2013 #415

That is true treestar Sep 2013 #297

please be good enough to give specific examples of that last sentence of yours. and I do mean, niyad Sep 2013 #350

My frustrations is comments like "pay women the same as a man doing the same job." joeglow3 Sep 2013 #57

do look at studies. even in same position, same experience, fresh out of college, men are paid more seabeyond Sep 2013 #64

When you cherry pick certain fields, you get those results joeglow3 Sep 2013 #68

i cherry picked, because you cherry picked an EXCUSE why women make less gravitating seabeyond Sep 2013 #74

everything in that example was "college educated" hfojvt Sep 2013 #83

Single women under age 30 make more money than single men of the same age and qualifications davidn3600 Sep 2013 #118

bullshit. link.or isnt happening. i provided a good source that calls you opinion as wrong. simple seabeyond Sep 2013 #119

Well I dont have any recent stats on hand at the moment, but this was a few years ago... davidn3600 Sep 2013 #122

wow. apples and oranges dude. college degree vs the men that are not getting a degree. seabeyond Sep 2013 #123

So you are suggesting that it is just full blown sexism? davidn3600 Sep 2013 #129

I know it is true of every firm I ever worked for. bettyellen Sep 2013 #318

No - you are wrong leftynyc Sep 2013 #73

False. Women make less than 100% of their male counterparts in the same positions... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #112

Oh dear... Texasgal Sep 2013 #120

No, RWers like Rush calling Feminists 'feminazis' and using lies to describe them did that. Not the stevenleser Sep 2013 #167

That must be it... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #184

You're right, it is. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #198

Exhibit A. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #525

Exhibit D. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #527

Your comment richly illustrates chervilant Sep 2013 #32

Please, david, tell us feminists here how we can improve! Do you have suggestions CTyankee Sep 2013 #42

It's difficult to explain... jberryhill Sep 2013 #228

wow, I wonder what in god's name was wrong with her... CTyankee Sep 2013 #267

Hmmm.... jberryhill Sep 2013 #273

I never did understand this crap... CTyankee Sep 2013 #274

I seem to recall one complaint BainsBane Sep 2013 #445

Nothing wrong with feminism. Feminism is a valued construct. MADem Sep 2013 #373

There is a modicum of truth joeglow3 Sep 2013 #53

how many men have come on this thread, that are well known for dissing womens issues, tell us seabeyond Sep 2013 #70

I agree completely with you joeglow3 Sep 2013 #95

thank you so much... seabeyond Sep 2013 #99

Not at all LittleBlue Sep 2013 #92

You often can find whatever results you are looking for Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #9

And an OPer that uses polls encouraging stereotyping as an excuse to insult groups of people Squinch Sep 2013 #10

I am not afraid of labels either Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #113

The concept of equal rights is very threatening to many people. Squinch Sep 2013 #130

I don't get it myself. Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #137

Oh, that's a great idea for a name. Squinch Sep 2013 #139

That may be true, I hadn't considered competition, Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #148

Speaking of voting... redqueen Sep 2013 #193

Another excellent reason to stay single. Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #218

my hubby followed mine. start of marriage, he voted bush. by 2004, he voted kerry seabeyond Sep 2013 #220

Very true... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #20

speaking of polls-- I remember reading about one years ago, where sections of the declaration of niyad Sep 2013 #483

Movements that are at cross purposes to the corporate status quo LadyHawkAZ Sep 2013 #11

That is very true. Squinch Sep 2013 #276

yup -- and of course "mainstream" activities like "fundraising" are much more easily tolerated fishwax Sep 2013 #390

diss two progressive groups with some popcorn. ya. that says a lot. seabeyond Sep 2013 #12

No sexism on the left, no siree bob. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #96

ya know... any more in the face? lol. gonna do seabeyond Sep 2013 #100

may the serenity embrace you back nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #101

ahhh. lol. i think it will. thank you. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #102

oh jeeze I am a feminist with a degree in Environmental Science etherealtruth Sep 2013 #13

You really are BainsBane Sep 2013 #142

see, being on du for a while we all walk away from the surprise. we want to say we are surprised, seabeyond Sep 2013 #143

I was not suprised etherealtruth Sep 2013 #200

Unrec for your attempt to flamebait. n/t demmiblue Sep 2013 #14

"pedantic screeds"? More like tons of money spent to caricature those terms and turn people against MH1 Sep 2013 #15

The study is interesting if a bit depressing... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #16

Wow, surveys involving a whopping 62 respondents in one case, and 228 in another . . . hatrack Sep 2013 #17

Huge, massive studies these are... LisaLynne Sep 2013 #18

Recent poll showed similar results on feminism davidn3600 Sep 2013 #21

That's not really odd. LisaLynne Sep 2013 #30

The right did no more than vocalize a common sentiment Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #89

"the modern feminist (...) She is Fred Phelps in a pants-suit" ljm2002 Sep 2013 #275

Let's just review some of Demo Chris's proudest moments in that comment: Squinch Sep 2013 #277

Those kinda posts are so very revealing. nt redqueen Sep 2013 #279

It's got me thinking, though. That post is an illustration of the reasons why there is no end Squinch Sep 2013 #288

"we don't need to appeal" i like your post. i really really like it. thank you. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #299

Thinking about it, I was totally stunned to realize that it has only been 35, maybe 40 years Squinch Sep 2013 #306

couldnt even get a cr card or a bank acct. and that was acceptable. though by the time i came to seabeyond Sep 2013 #308

I love this whole comment. MadrasT Sep 2013 #413

Isn't it great to step back and realize that all this silliness these guys are spewing Squinch Sep 2013 #416

wow, it's amazing how much ill you are happy to spew when knowing nothing about the topic. bettyellen Sep 2013 #322

I do, in fact, have a daughter. She considers herself feminist... Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #332

i call bullshit. what vocal feminist is out there that you are hearing that is so damn outrageous seabeyond Sep 2013 #339

This thread, your response, and chervilant Sep 2013 #328

If you care about an 80% disapproval rating, yes you do... Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #335

so your personal attacks and pejoratives are dandy and must be listened to, but no one is allowed seabeyond Sep 2013 #340

As you are undoubtedly aware I have made no personal attacks... Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #348

nah. you worked hard to put a whole lot of insult in each and every post. and something can tell seabeyond Sep 2013 #349

now, tell me who this big bad feminist is that is so damn vocal to have turned your whole family off seabeyond Sep 2013 #351

I remember someone hear saying it was someone who said "no thank you, I can open the door myself" bettyellen Sep 2013 #443

Coordination?!? chervilant Sep 2013 #402

Seems to be inflating his importance just a tad, doesn't he? In his mind he's fighting the Squinch Sep 2013 #411

These men on DU who are strongly agreeing with the right's message are a clear indication... redqueen Sep 2013 #194

exactly... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #75

like the proverbial school teacher nun who might slap you on your hands with a wooden ruler Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #27

People don't like to give up privilege and profit BainsBane Sep 2013 #141

even ordinary people - including some working class people who are not in any particular position Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #168

So it's wrong to oppose war? BainsBane Sep 2013 #170

so, the option is what? stay silent? say nothing? the reality is... people that speak up and out seabeyond Sep 2013 #171

Those same people also prefer Rush Limbaugh BainsBane Sep 2013 #172

I'm just stating the obvious - and I am not talking specifically about government policy Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #174

you are right. and as i said, those are not the people that any of us, regardless of the issue, are seabeyond Sep 2013 #177

"Pedantic screeds" like the last paragraph of your OP, for example? Heidi Sep 2013 #28

Oh, but if it's in favor of the status quo, it's not pedantic BainsBane Sep 2013 #50

+1000 Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #62

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #31

that's the title of the article. cali Sep 2013 #33

Only the one Salon used; Pacific Standard had "Environmentalism? Perhaps. Environmentalists? Ewww!" muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #40

Interesting comments following the article. n/t Laelth Sep 2013 #35

Flamebait theHandpuppet Sep 2013 #36

The OP is expressing their feelings. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2013 #39

Both obvious and irrelevant. LanternWaste Sep 2013 #45

Wouldn't the "pedantic screeds" also count as expressions of feelings? And yet, there are those Squinch Sep 2013 #412

When you type "pedantic screed", it looks like you've been proven wrong by someone muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #37

I can see that. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2013 #38

so who says "Tree Hugger" and "hippie" are negative terms? G_j Sep 2013 #41

I'm going to cry ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #43

I don't hate you--but then, I am one of those evil enviro feminists, who, frankly, does not give niyad Sep 2013 #356

you want I should kick your boo-hooing ass, ismnowasm? Skittles Oct 2013 #528

And studies show that nearly everyone in this thread thinks you are full of it. Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #44

I imagine many people require the ethical convenience... LanternWaste Sep 2013 #46

Also, you know ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #49

Oh, you saw PCU too? Imagine that. Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #51

*** Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #190

That was on last night Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #498

No, only a small group of assholes selected for this study hate feminists and environmentalists nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #52

but what of feminist environmentalists? ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2013 #55

This study is truly depressing to me. My friends, myself and other people of like minded thoughts.. BlueJazz Sep 2013 #56

I think you do know what you're doing! And I think you will happily survive and thrive Squinch Sep 2013 #476

What a shame you do not see the irony in your comment intaglio Sep 2013 #63

People tend to hate truth-tellers. dawg Sep 2013 #71

you're funny. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #76

Thanks. dawg Sep 2013 #79

Ah, so you're one of the successfully conditioned "reactives" the study was talking about villager Sep 2013 #78

i havent seen you forever seabeyond Sep 2013 #80

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You win the thread nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #84

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You win the internets today Warpy Sep 2013 #133

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ha! G_j Sep 2013 #176

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Yeah, telling the truth is really awful! CTyankee Sep 2013 #114

It's hard to keep up with the full list of what he doesn't like BainsBane Sep 2013 #145

It tells me chervilant Sep 2013 #403

If there were consequences for bigotry against women BainsBane Sep 2013 #405

Consequences, indeed. chervilant Sep 2013 #408

I can't see the post itself BainsBane Sep 2013 #417

okay... chervilant Sep 2013 #430

Just like any movement, there are all kinds. Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #117

Similar to atheists. A small amount taint the term for the rest of us in the public's eyes. Throd Sep 2013 #126

It does take all kinds. Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #128

Yeah, even in the Democratic party BainsBane Sep 2013 #146

Hey, if I don't announce that I am a good feminist, Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #151

I have no interest in becoming the kind of feminist people like that consider acceptable BainsBane Sep 2013 #161

I'll concede that point quinnox Sep 2013 #147

but you know, using "old school marm" was a dig that feminist have endured for decades, right? seabeyond Sep 2013 #150

Oh hell, Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #152

As I said, you are not the feminists I had in mind quinnox Sep 2013 #154

! redqueen Sep 2013 #195

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sadly not BainsBane Sep 2013 #249

Something tells me I won't be getting an answer. nt redqueen Sep 2013 #282

I can help you out with that BainsBane Sep 2013 #324

Oh, wow. kcr Sep 2013 #224

OK now I'm curious... redqueen Sep 2013 #281

i really did not either until he made another comment about being attacked by others. reading again, seabeyond Sep 2013 #155

I don't know the history of that term, it just came to me quinnox Sep 2013 #153

but, you do get the jab that we on du get here consistently enough, right? seabeyond Sep 2013 #158

You would never see me do something like that quinnox Sep 2013 #160

But, you see, that it the point about stereotypes Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #156

you make a good point quinnox Sep 2013 #157

That applies to so many other topics here on DU The Straight Story Sep 2013 #294

Yes, I have seen it too often as well. Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #296

What they need to do is make sure only white men can talk in public BainsBane Sep 2013 #144

Apparent flamebait is apparent. Iggo Sep 2013 #93

Just more unfortunate confirmation that all the fact and truth in the universe can't fix stupid. Zorra Sep 2013 #94

This could have been a good discussion. Could have. Sissyk Sep 2013 #98

You are absolutely right. MADem Sep 2013 #386

Too bad they don't hate inequality and environmental destruction, huh? Arugula Latte Sep 2013 #103

^^^^^There ya go! That's the right answer! Squinch Sep 2013 #291

I would not be offended by being called a tree hugger upaloopa Sep 2013 #105

as w/ every movement for social change, it takes all types of feminists n/t zazen Sep 2013 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Sep 2013 #109

After his hit and run OP he is nowhere to be found or heard. stevenleser Sep 2013 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Sep 2013 #191

It wouldn't matter how nice they are. Notafraidtoo Sep 2013 #111

I've also heard that everybody loves Raymond. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #116

That's a dirty lie. Orrex Sep 2013 #149

Yeah, and you loved Raymond too, please check with your doctor jberryhill Sep 2013 #230

I don't give a fuck about Raymond. JVS Sep 2013 #463

Best. Spinoff. Ever. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #465

Telling people what they don't want to hear is not popular, go figure. alarimer Sep 2013 #121

Yep! Right on, alarimer! CTyankee Sep 2013 #124

OMG... i donna think that you were "nice enough" when saying this. you are a seabeyond Sep 2013 #125

What's truly funny... 99Forever Sep 2013 #138

They aren't interested in change... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #159

you have been here a week and a half and this is how you feel about women. do you know how ignorant seabeyond Sep 2013 #163

I haven't talked much about how I feel about women... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #183

Best. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #165

Great post. Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #173

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #175

this. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #180

this this this this this redqueen Sep 2013 #196

People also hate Obamacare but love the ACA. aquart Sep 2013 #127

So is FEMEN in or out? riderinthestorm Sep 2013 #136

You haven't keep up on FEMEN, have you? BainsBane Sep 2013 #140

If you want the truth about Femen, I can give it to you stevenleser Sep 2013 #162

Hmm. Articles about Femen still mention him kcr Sep 2013 #178

I can give you two folks, one of the leaders in her own words in the interview I did and the person stevenleser Sep 2013 #199

but you must have seen them publicize Viktor's attack on their web site in July naming him as bettyellen Sep 2013 #203

Kitty Green herself, the movie producer, agrees with me. You believe what you want to believe stevenleser Sep 2013 #206

I'll believe what I SAW. Viktor being touted on their website. And the interviews detailing the bettyellen Sep 2013 #208

Of course, you disregard all first person accounts and believe what you want to believe. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #211

she dismisses a woman, trying to keep the flow of money, with her very own words contradicting seabeyond Sep 2013 #216

When the person tells two different stories? Yeah Steve, I will deduce that one story's a lie. bettyellen Sep 2013 #229

No, not person, people. Everyone personally involved agrees with me including the outside observer stevenleser Sep 2013 #231

Oh gosh, you have no idea, do you? Ignore the history and swallow the bullshit. bettyellen Sep 2013 #235

but but but... the seabeyond Sep 2013 #236

hilarious to see someone speak of w/ such authority @ movie they have never seen! bettyellen Sep 2013 #251

Your grasp of only accounts that support you discredits your viewpoint completely. stevenleser Sep 2013 #240

I take into account the recorded history of the group, while you totally ignored it. bettyellen Sep 2013 #242

You ignore everything that doesnt support your hatred of these fellow 2nd wave feminists. stevenleser Sep 2013 #286

I actually like them much more than I do the suckers who believe their bullshit. bettyellen Sep 2013 #381

wow betty. that is awesome research. maybe you can do an interview? nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #384

Actually, it took five minutes- most of that was fed to Steve so he could prepare for his interview bettyellen Sep 2013 #385

The facts point to Viktor still being a member of Femen kcr Sep 2013 #221

No, they don't. The movie illustrates that. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #222

Well, that settles it. kcr Sep 2013 #223

Seeing as how the movie is the reason people know about Victor at all... stevenleser Sep 2013 #226

Maybe kcr Sep 2013 #250

And pointing at a movie you have never seen- PRICELESS. bettyellen Sep 2013 #255

The kicker is, he has NOT seen the movie, LOL. bettyellen Sep 2013 #241

The kicker is, neither have you. Yet you repeat information from the movie, just like I do. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #246

Nope- repeated what I saw on Femen's website. And read some older interviews on their founding. bettyellen Sep 2013 #254

See my #256 nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #257

LOL, you hadn't even SEEN the movie LOL. WTF? You just repeated whatever that bettyellen Sep 2013 #232

Neither have you. But you repeat information from the movie others have imparted to you. stevenleser Sep 2013 #247

No Steve, I read interviews with Femen's founders and looked at their website. Keep up! bettyellen Sep 2013 #252

LMAO. You mean you cherry picked the parts to attack them. As usual. stevenleser Sep 2013 #256

Reading articles that describe how Viktor and another woman cofounded Femen years ago is cherry bettyellen Sep 2013 #259

And immediately you are wrong. Victor came along several years after Femen was founded. stevenleser Sep 2013 #262

Not according to many articles, the film maker who you tout here.... basically everyone until she bettyellen Sep 2013 #264

LOL. And once again, I have the full interview with the person involved. You keep running into that stevenleser Sep 2013 #265

Your bias showed when you did not bring up ANY of the many conflicts between her new story... bettyellen Sep 2013 #269

I have no bias. Your hatred of Femen for reasons you wont admit to is evident in every post. stevenleser Sep 2013 #284

you displayed tons of bias in that interview- perhaps you need to run it by a colleague bettyellen Sep 2013 #316

Again, if you continue to hate these women so much, you are eventually going to have to say why. stevenleser Sep 2013 #426

You persist in making shit up. And deflecting completely that you did no backround research for the bettyellen Sep 2013 #437

LOL. Steve would like us to forget the big stink they made @ Viktor on their website this July.... bettyellen Sep 2013 #227

No, I dont want anyone to forget anything. I want all facts considered. Its you who doesnt. stevenleser Sep 2013 #233

the movie doesn't cover the biggest lies told at all- that's found in their interviews and website bettyellen Sep 2013 #237

See my #256 nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #258

you call doing basic research "cherry picking", LOL. That's not journalism, it's toilet paper. bettyellen Sep 2013 #261

See my #256 nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #263

What is it about Femen that causes such profound angst, makes it so important to discredit them? Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #278

It's bizarre. See Seabeyond's #244 below. The folks here who attack Femen stevenleser Sep 2013 #280

My satire meter is horribly out of whack these days. I just can't tell anymore. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #285

Its an interesting dichotomy if you think about it stevenleser Sep 2013 #289

It's like anything else-"Christian" can encompass everything from 'love thy neighbor' to Fred Phelps Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #295

there we go. you two, of all people pattering on about feminism. what a truly fuckin hoot. and no seabeyond Sep 2013 #300

then why do it? Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #301

You're making the mistake of thinking that DU is the world, it's not. stevenleser Sep 2013 #424

ewll there you go steven. another assumption. thank you for correcting me on something you made up seabeyond Sep 2013 #431

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #509

Ha ha....SERIOUSLY!! PassingFair Sep 2013 #505

Guess who cares what you think about feminism? BainsBane Sep 2013 #421

LOL, this isnt about me, its about you and others whose vitriol against Femen is beyond bizarre. stevenleser Sep 2013 #422

NO, we don't all know that BainsBane Sep 2013 #432

Ha ha, a little Wiki is a dangerous thing. A B and C are all belittling stereotypes.... bettyellen Sep 2013 #441

Yes, You men are so smart. boston bean Sep 2013 #497

I can and have articulated reasons- they are a fraud. I am not anti porn- I am anti mornonic bettyellen Sep 2013 #379

"you and Warren"... I actually haven't offered an opinion one way or the other on FEMEN, actually Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #395

Here is the full interview I did with Inna Schevchenko, one of the main leaders of Femen stevenleser Sep 2013 #428

There is something truly astouding about male entitlement BainsBane Sep 2013 #419

I understand why you attempt to divert the focus from yourself, but I'm not buying the tactic. stevenleser Sep 2013 #425

They are run by the Larry Flint of Russia, for one BainsBane Sep 2013 #418

That's B.S. You hated them long before the Svyatski allegations. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #427

I had my suspicions with good reasons BainsBane Sep 2013 #433

thank you for taking the time to spell it out from dot to dot to dot. not like this has not been seabeyond Sep 2013 #434

I do notice that some people- speaking of observation- sure enjoy ridiculous caricatures. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #453

Jesus Christ BainsBane Sep 2013 #460

If that's the case, that I "think everything is about me" I'm DEFINITELY not the only one. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #464

Okay, I'll take your word for it BainsBane Sep 2013 #466

Without specifics, I don't know what yr. talking about. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #467

I'm not going back over there to go through specifics BainsBane Sep 2013 #469

Okay, well, I've been consistent. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #470

As for FEMEN, which was the actual subject of my post BainsBane Sep 2013 #461

It doesn't piss me off. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #468

Yes, every time I post about violence against women BainsBane Sep 2013 #471

Just do me one favor, okay? It's not "my" group, and I'm not responsible for anyone's words but mine Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #472

LOL BainsBane Sep 2013 #325

I wonder where atheists placed? longship Sep 2013 #164

how about liberal. i am sure the few men that are applauding this so stupid study, could be seabeyond Sep 2013 #166

people dont like assertive women, men especially do not like assertive women La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #179

And most of society doesn't like men doing things that are designated "feminine." davidn3600 Sep 2013 #187

i agree with you. violation of gender norms are punished La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #202

you made me think about this- what "angry" protesters are not a big "turn off" bettyellen Sep 2013 #245

Yep, you nailed it. They LOVE and reward assertive men, and it's interesting to watch. bettyellen Sep 2013 #207

hey talking dog. why did you walk away from your thread. you flamebait, you insult the majority of seabeyond Sep 2013 #181

Yep that's who turns me off feminists and environmentalists who are active in their cause lunasun Sep 2013 #182

here's a screed for you Duppers Sep 2013 #186

Ever look at the way gun owners are frequently described on this board? badtoworse Sep 2013 #192

Yes. That's true. Because gun owners are fighting for their economic survival, and Squinch Sep 2013 #290

Environmental extremists oppose literally everything badtoworse Sep 2013 #499

This has it all backwards (as do many of the folks commenting on this thread). MadrasT Sep 2013 #197

Right to the heart of it. UtahLib Sep 2013 #204

I think I can shed some light as to why Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #201

What are you talking about? DanTex Sep 2013 #214

are you wagging the finger. tsk tsk. or was the poster you replied to, wagging the finger. hm.... seabeyond Sep 2013 #217

This type of knee jerk response Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #248

Sorry, I don't have much of a soft spot for climate deniers... DanTex Sep 2013 #266

I am not a climate denier. The problem is you can't accept opposing view points Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #310

Opposing points of view are great provided they are informed and intelligent. Yours is neither. DanTex Sep 2013 #313

I believe in global climate change that is influenced by anthropogenic sources Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #420

Again, the things you are saying do not square with the IPCC report, or the opinion of DanTex Sep 2013 #423

Freerepublic polled and every member hates environmentalists and feminists. NCTraveler Sep 2013 #212

Wait, seriously? That is a quote from Freeperville? Squinch Sep 2013 #293

I'm sorry, are the privileged men having a sad over women refusing to just be submissive eye candy? NuclearDem Sep 2013 #215

"recruited via Amazon's Mechanical Turk" = unlikely to be a scientific sampling. Gormy Cuss Sep 2013 #219

Amazon has a "Mechanical Turk"? Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #287

that is a stereotype. Not all environmentalists and feminists are confrontational and aggressive. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #239

and what if they are confrontational and aggressive? all types are needed to be heard. raidical seabeyond Sep 2013 #244

All types, unless they are Femen, right? They're somehow doing it wrong according to you. stevenleser Sep 2013 #268

per the womans own words, they are clueless what feminism is and need a man to tell them. wink. seabeyond Sep 2013 #302

What woman's own words? Link please. Also, you are now changing what you wrote above? stevenleser Sep 2013 #304

Show me the link where a woman said Femen are clueless and need a man to tell them what to do n/t Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #315

it was in Steve's interview w/ one of their leaders. It's mind numbingly foolish. bettyellen Sep 2013 #317

OMFG... did she actually say that? redqueen Sep 2013 #321

yep, they didn't understand the whole patriarchy thing till several years in, LOL..... bettyellen Sep 2013 #323

Thanks. I'll go listen and see what was said... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #326

she gives out the same story in her newest interviews.... bettyellen Sep 2013 #327

Have you got links to anything I could read? Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #330

I have do do a search and will PM you. bettyellen Sep 2013 #341

That sounds good. Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #342

Here is an assortment of links, enjoy the contradictions! bettyellen Sep 2013 #378

"if you read up, her stories keep changing" redqueen Sep 2013 #337

I agree that is why Steve did not research. He pretends he wasn't handed links on a silver platter. bettyellen Sep 2013 #344

Violet, if you want, PM me and I will put you in touch with them so you can hear from Inna stevenleser Sep 2013 #429

They're doing it wrong according to everyone who isn't obsessed with boobs. redqueen Sep 2013 #314

I'm not obsessed with boobs, and I don't think they're doing feminism wrong... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #329

Hey, if racist, imperialist feminism which capitalizes on ibjectification is yoir definition of redqueen Sep 2013 #331

It's not racist, imperialist feminism, though... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #333

Oh it's racist as hell, but I'm not surprised you don't notice. redqueen Sep 2013 #334

Are you accusing me of being blind to racism?? Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #338

That's rich. nt redqueen Sep 2013 #357

One of their "aims" is to destroy Islam. There's also some crazy crap about taking over the world.. bettyellen Sep 2013 #346

dont they want to cut of mens, you know, or is it rip out their heart? what was it? but, hey, show seabeyond Sep 2013 #352

It is pretty funny that their defenders ignored all the crazy talk. bettyellen Sep 2013 #355

FEMEN�s Painfully Inappropriate Japan "Tribute" JI7 Sep 2013 #389

That is a strange protest Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #396

�What can be more stupid than Ramadan? What can be more uglier then this religion?� JI7 Sep 2013 #391

Same with folks who open carry to bring awareness to their rights as well I guess The Straight Story Sep 2013 #298

human equality = carry a gun. whatever. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #303

Was referring to tactics used in promoting a message (nt) The Straight Story Sep 2013 #307

wtf... why dont you compare feminis/conservationists to phelps. seabeyond Sep 2013 #309

Ah, Is that going to be -today's- ridiculous misinterpretation of something I said? Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #311

and wtf are you doing linking me to one of your posts. i was addressing another poster using gun seabeyond Sep 2013 #347

yeah, surreal. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #370

Agreed. Most are normal LittleBlue Sep 2013 #253

I've sort of given up on making this point, but I'll reiterate it anyway. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #272

The fact is, the 'calm down and say it nicely' song and dance is routinely performed by those redqueen Sep 2013 #283

So you would say that the European Journal of Social Psychology has an agenda, then? Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #305

And everyone used to hate civil rights activists. Gormy Cuss Sep 2013 #270

Social engineering works. Rex Sep 2013 #271

No. You are NOT stupid. Sadly, even social engineering by Rush Limbaugh works. Squinch Sep 2013 #292

And since Hate Radio is an ongoing thing, decades old Rex Sep 2013 #457

Mechanical Turk? xmas74 Sep 2013 #312

"everyone" is a douchebag, in that case. Quantess Sep 2013 #319

I think the lesson of this study is something I learned at my great grandmother's knee: MADem Sep 2013 #320

Yes, AND, there will always be a--holes who use this trite "meme" to their advantage. Quantess Sep 2013 #336

I think anyone reading the study would take the essential conclusions to heart--IF they wanted to MADem Sep 2013 #343

everyone hates liberals also. you want a softer stick MAdem, cause that is not gonna fly on du. seabeyond Sep 2013 #353

Posts like yours are what don't "fly on DU." Maybe you need to reread this thread. MADem Sep 2013 #359

you are a hoot. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #361

No, I am not a "hoot." I read the thread, I read the OP, and I even clicked the links to find MADem Sep 2013 #364

really? i am not allowed to think you are a hoot? cause i thought you were a hoot? but i guess, seabeyond Sep 2013 #365

I think I will save this one, too. MADem Sep 2013 #369

not enough sugar here either. lmfao. all this joy i am passing to you and you are totally rejectin seabeyond Sep 2013 #371

Once more, into the breach. MADem Sep 2013 #376

just a gigglin. you have made my night. you take care now. and bless that little heart of yours. seabeyond Sep 2013 #377

Fine with me. MADem Sep 2013 #382

Actually, vinegar works better than honey for catching flies. DanTex Sep 2013 #414

Flies LOVE grapes. Balsamic vinegar is cooked wine, in actual fact. MADem Sep 2013 #447

I contend flies like shit better than vinegar, grapes, honey or wine seabeyond Sep 2013 #448

I've tried it with regular red wine vinegar, and it works great, but again that's grapes. DanTex Sep 2013 #462

Well, flies love fruit, so they're going to be happy with funky apple, too! MADem Sep 2013 #473

Yeah I think it's a fruit thing. Haven't seem them go after whiskey or beer either. DanTex Sep 2013 #475

now slugs- they LOVE beer! you can dig little swimming pools and sink cups of beer @ ground level bettyellen Sep 2013 #480

wine works, too Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #504

the biggest problem is removing the cup of slugs in beer without spilling it, or vomiting, LOL. bettyellen Sep 2013 #506

Actually I have been quite pleased with this product, since I live in slug country Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #508

what a load of codswallop. just like that whacked "professor" who refuses to use any women's niyad Sep 2013 #345

Trashing the thread. Tien1985 Sep 2013 #354

That is not what the OP says. MADem Sep 2013 #360

People who believe those stereotypes don't deserve to be pandered to. n/t mattclearing Sep 2013 #406

exactly- slowly those around them will be educated, and they will catch up to the new norms.... bettyellen Sep 2013 #438

Well, that's not what the researchers are saying. MADem Sep 2013 #449

The snide remark is mostly what prompted my response. mattclearing Sep 2013 #450

That's understandable. MADem Sep 2013 #452

Nice hit and run job there. mattclearing Sep 2013 #367

Seems like that poster has done that a few times now nolabels Sep 2013 #444

I don�t. So I guess I'm not in the "everybody" group. gtar100 Sep 2013 #401

I'll take a "tree-hugger" or "hippy" any day over a life long demo Sep 2013 #435

Thank the propaganda on TV. Ash_F Sep 2013 #442

Just FYI Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #454

OK, but the participants were American Ash_F Sep 2013 #456

Ah, yes, you are correct. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #458

Sounds like a place to do grunt work online, for pay. Ash_F Sep 2013 #459

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Sep 2013 #477

Proud to be a Feminist and an Environmentalist... Jasana Sep 2013 #484

thank you and welcome aboard! bettyellen Sep 2013 #490

Hey bettyellen, thank you for the welcome! Jasana Sep 2013 #495

;-) , Love your bird, BTW. bettyellen Sep 2013 #501

I think you missed a turn somewhere on the series of tubes. LeftyMom Sep 2013 #487

100% flamebait nt steve2470 Sep 2013 #496

What part of "pervasive stereotypes" did you not understand? 6000eliot Oct 2013 #520

righwing assholes did a good job demonizing these groups Skittles Oct 2013 #526