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TheKentuckian

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46. They better pay a hell of a lot more and magically spring up within walking distance.

Sun Sep 29, 2013, 09:02 AM

Sep 2013

They also better have some pretty interesting tax shelters, contracts, and practices to be able to have a payroll outlay that can best a Fortune company, even after benefits. I just don't see much opportunity for the scale and market penetration to allow such generous revenues that allow such payrolls.

Aka Fantasy Island.

It may happen but no way it happens regularly. Small business is tight and thrifty. Small business is at a number of competitive disadvantages.

I've worked plenty of both, I don't know what the color of the grass is but if how green depends on money and benefits then you'd best shop the corporate market. Probably more room for advancement too, unless you go public.

The law is designed to keep as many people as possible out of the exchanges for as long as corporations want to play gatekeeper. If you want a different paradigm then it will have to be fought for, it is not to be expected as a natural consequence here.

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