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31. Return to the pre-FISA law. Title III of the 1968 Act banned all warrantless domestic wiretapping.

Sun Sep 29, 2013, 12:23 PM

Sep 2013

Let the NSA focus on foreign threats and, if probable cause can be shown for any individual suspect inside the US, the NSA should simply go to a regular federal judge with jurisdiction and seek a warrant to conduct electronic wiretapping. That's the way the Constitution and the law once said it should be done. FISA (1978), seen at the time as a limit on gov't power has turned out to be a giant, expanding loophole for warrantless domestic surveillance - repeal it, in its entirety.

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NSA: Shut it down? [View all] JackRiddler Sep 2013 OP

Maybe not. If the info they collect were actually helping thwart enemies of the people, Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2013 #1

“Nuke the entire site from orbit--it’s the only way to be sure” OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #2

Yup, I trust no "reforms" or promises, blow it away and make every cent of budget allocation public TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #12

Many companies have their data facilities mirrored, hughee99 Sep 2013 #27

Don't, but... Ohio Joe Sep 2013 #3

Pretty much this. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #8

Shackle it. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #4

Jail everyone responsible for the current mess hootinholler Sep 2013 #5

Yes, it is a threat to a free society LittleBlue Sep 2013 #6

Kick for votes, midnight central JackRiddler Sep 2013 #7

I'm much more worried about the CIA, but Recursion Sep 2013 #9

CIA: Shut it down. JackRiddler Sep 2013 #10

No, I'd rather have the roaches all in one room Recursion Sep 2013 #11

Interesting view of it. JackRiddler Sep 2013 #14

What if that room of roaches is filled to capacity and it overflows to the rest of the house? Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #35

Also, not to harp on the metaphor... JackRiddler Oct 2013 #41

in my heart I would like to shut it down the same way I would like to shut the Pentagon down and Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #13

Perhaps one could.. sendero Sep 2013 #16

No there isn't a way to fix that culture... JackRiddler Sep 2013 #25

I talk like a utopian... JackRiddler Sep 2013 #23

Remember when the current revelations first came out.. sendero Sep 2013 #15

The only example they presented in detail... JackRiddler Sep 2013 #18

The idea that "gentlemen don't read each other's mail" led to WWI & allowed Pearl Harbor to happen. baldguy Sep 2013 #17

No, it didn't. Your initial premise: ridiculous. Microscopic. JackRiddler Sep 2013 #19

I'm guessing you don't know much history, do you? baldguy Sep 2013 #20

Masterful projection. JackRiddler Sep 2013 #21

History of Oil Ace Acme Oct 2013 #40

Please clarify: I seems like you are saying the US could have prevented WWI & WWII by reading mail Taitertots Sep 2013 #22

Watch out, he almost certainly does. JackRiddler Sep 2013 #24

I can't answer cuz I don't know it the NSA actually does anything beneficial for the people Zorra Sep 2013 #26

Keep it with more oversight. ntt rrneck Sep 2013 #28

No. You're naive if you think the NSA doesn't serve a purpose NightWatcher Sep 2013 #29

Of course the NSA serves a purpose! JackRiddler Sep 2013 #33

What about the apparent total confidence that it does nothing treestar Sep 2013 #34

Yes! Turbineguy Sep 2013 #30

Return to the pre-FISA law. Title III of the 1968 Act banned all warrantless domestic wiretapping. leveymg Sep 2013 #31

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #32

A last kick? JackRiddler Sep 2013 #36

Absolutely! JackRiddler Oct 2013 #37

Almost. JackRiddler Oct 2013 #39

Oct. 1st: 76% of 79 users say "Shut It Down" JackRiddler Oct 2013 #38

timely kick for votes!!! JackRiddler Dec 2013 #42

Oh, so relevant all of a sudden. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #43