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In reply to the discussion: Seymour Hersh: Story About Killing Osama Bin Laden is One Big Lie [View all]2banon
(7,321 posts)299. That isn't Evidence of Tin Hat CT
Hersh is simply summarizing what was years ago revealed/reported on by military veterans.
For the Military Commanders/Officers these wars were very much a Christian Crusade, and this was given a lot of attention during the BushCo regime's illegal invasion of Iraq and war in Afghanistan.
Frankly, I'm really surprised that anyone here on DU would provide a link of McChrystal's denials, as if his denials were in the least bit credible.
Seriously!
I recall several reportings from various veterans in the earlier years. Most notably former Air Force Officer Michael Weinstein.
Here's an excerpt of just one of his several articles on the subject :
The United States Military ... a Crusader Force?
Case in point: the recent decision to rename Beaufort, South Carolina-based Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 122 (VMFA-122) the "Crusaders" and adopt the red cross of the crusading medieval Knights Templar.
This alarming decision to rechristen the jet fighter squadron as "Crusaders" threatens to reignite the explosive tension and anti-American rage that exists across the Muslim world. "Crusader" is an epithet that is routinely used to describe US military personnel throughout the Arab and Islamic world. A phrase which literally means "taking up the cross," Crusader recalls a history of colonization and campaigns of conquest and plunder spearheaded by European Christian military orders. Spanning three centuries and starting in the year 1096, the crusades viciously claimed the lives of millions of inhabitants of the Middle East. While motivated by the secular incentives of lucre and mammon, the Crusades serve as a hideous testament to the noxious danger embodied by the foreboding alloy of weaponized theology.
This alarming decision to rechristen the jet fighter squadron as "Crusaders" threatens to reignite the explosive tension and anti-American rage that exists across the Muslim world. "Crusader" is an epithet that is routinely used to describe US military personnel throughout the Arab and Islamic world. A phrase which literally means "taking up the cross," Crusader recalls a history of colonization and campaigns of conquest and plunder spearheaded by European Christian military orders. Spanning three centuries and starting in the year 1096, the crusades viciously claimed the lives of millions of inhabitants of the Middle East. While motivated by the secular incentives of lucre and mammon, the Crusades serve as a hideous testament to the noxious danger embodied by the foreboding alloy of weaponized theology.
Among other things he wrote : With God on Our Side: One Man's War Against an Evangelical Coup in America's Military
There were other reportings on this bit of history and given attention here on DU during those years... Hersh by no means has revealed anything new.
Just isn't given the attention or notice in our media, like so much else.
Surprise, surprise..
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OBL was likely *executed* in cold blood. The story about a shoot out is obviously bogus.
Romulox
Sep 2013
#1
Summary execution is a war crime. If you are arguing "Might makes right", well, there is no need
Romulox
Sep 2013
#6
I'm not saying might makes right. I'm saying nobody cares; including UBL
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2013
#8
That's an obviously false statement, as you and I (and Mr. Hersh) are discussing it.
Romulox
Sep 2013
#11
They knew he was incapacitated on the ground when he was shot in the chest, and killed. nt
Romulox
Sep 2013
#90
Jay Carney is a spokesman for the White House. The story covers his remarks. nt
Romulox
Sep 2013
#112
Which proves your earlier statement wrong. Having access to his body wouldn't have
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#106
First, you have zero evidence there was an execution, summary or otherwise.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2013
#84
It probably happened as the SEALs who I quote, below, said it did. There was no shootout with OBL.
Romulox
Sep 2013
#76
Even if there was a shootout, they could have captured him - if that was their mission.
leveymg
Sep 2013
#96
High-risk is part of that job. If they wanted to capture him alive, he'd be in a cell right now.
leveymg
Sep 2013
#270
The threads at the time of OBL's killing were something else, indeed.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2013
#274
I remember being quite embaressed that I shared a party affiliation with those
zappaman
Sep 2013
#276
"They lied cuz it's illegal, we know it's illegal cuz they lied" is a circular argument.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2013
#9
When you can't argue the points an opponent has made, simply argue against one of your own creation.
Romulox
Sep 2013
#12
It's called a strawman argument when you attribute something to your opponent only
Romulox
Sep 2013
#41
"the same poster has ignored the far more substantive response to him, above"
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2013
#64
You had time to put quotation marks around something I hadn't said. That takes a second or two! nt
Romulox
Sep 2013
#66
Again, if facts don't matter, it's all just "might makes right", and no discussion is needed.
Romulox
Sep 2013
#34
We are signatories to the Geneva Conventions, as well as bound by the general laws of war. Those
Romulox
Sep 2013
#71
This is why I mentioned your low post count: discussion forums don't work this way. nt
Romulox
Sep 2013
#85
No. I mean discussions are back and forths. You can't ignore points I've made, and questions I've
Romulox
Sep 2013
#109
This isn't a court of law. The standards of evidence for discussion are much lower. Again,
Romulox
Sep 2013
#116
There is "evidence" of a War Crime. "Proof" is determined in a Court of Law. This is tedious. nt
Romulox
Sep 2013
#131
You are simply wrong on this point. US criminal law absolutely applies to US citizens acting
Romulox
Sep 2013
#136
The PROTECT Act of 2003 (Sex Tourism) is a small example of overseas behavior criminalized
Romulox
Sep 2013
#145
The overseas behavior is prosecuted in the US. Really...why argue points if you don't know
Romulox
Sep 2013
#150
That's called "extradition". This is basic stuff, getting outside the scope of this discussion. nt
Romulox
Sep 2013
#152
Are you really unfamiliar with the Geneva Conventions? The Trials at Nuremberg???
Romulox
Sep 2013
#165
No, but the 2001 AUMF gave the president clear authority to act. This is silly.
tritsofme
Sep 2013
#195
"Might makes right" is what we've had for most of human history. My real concern is for the truth
Romulox
Sep 2013
#93
I'm saying what's in my posts. I'm not going to refute arguments I haven't made. nt
Romulox
Sep 2013
#117
You aren't interested in proof at all but rather shutting down the whole discussion.
TheKentuckian
Sep 2013
#166
Read the accounts--OBL was the last male "accounted for". He was killed in cold blood
Romulox
Sep 2013
#30
It certainly silences the issue of questioning Bushco about what happened on 9/11
Hydra
Sep 2013
#38
We dont know other than what we've been told. It would be nice if we could
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#179
Authoritarians think they know what's best for us and treat us accordingly.
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#295
The story is not "obviously bogus." Bin Laden's body wouldn't have proved anything.
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#103
Didn't he run with that story of "hundreds of US soldiers killed" in that airfield attack?
Recursion
Sep 2013
#26
Indeed. Posters with a few dozen posts strutting about in a "Mission Accomplished" pose... nt
Romulox
Sep 2013
#58
This is a case where military action was needed, not a trial, for reasons I already stated
themaguffin
Sep 2013
#125
I think people that are "politically liberal" welcome all points of view. They feel they
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#203
I'm guessing you don't know whether he was unarmed or alone unless you were there.
cherokeeprogressive
Sep 2013
#181
It's interesting you assume all doubts about the official story originated
whatchamacallit
Sep 2013
#198
Sure, you're claiming there's a great big conspiracy surrounding bin Laden's death
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#201
Okay, what impeccable source provides your view that Hillary Clinton's State Department
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#218
So, you think Obama's in on the cover up of the fact that the US government intentionally
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#219
And with that statement, Seymour is just another person expressing an opinion. nt
bluestate10
Sep 2013
#262
Supposedly 'it' is in his book, so in a way, I understand why he doesnt want to give it away before
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#213
If the book says anything other than OBL is still alive: here's proof, the article is hype.
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#212
"I wouldn't have thought an article like this would generate so much interest."
EX500rider
Sep 2013
#237
Wow, you are lucky that your post didn't get hidden. Not that I don't agree with your point,
bluestate10
Sep 2013
#263
To get me to believe Osama Bin Laden was that great boogyman at anyrate..........
nolabels
Sep 2013
#301