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In reply to the discussion: A possible unintended side effect of Obamacare [View all]Hoyt
(54,770 posts)53. That profit is definitely waste, but at best eliminating "profit" from premiums will save only 10%
or so. A savings for sure, but not enough where anyone will be jumping up and down celebrating. $1200 a month, goes to $1080. Still a lot.
Could also squeeze some profits from providers, I suppose.
And as consumers, we could accept less tests, longer wait time, restrictions on expensive treatments/procedures in later years of life, forgo the latest drug that is basically the same as the cheaper old ones, etc. But, then, government would be accused of "death panels."
If we won't truly affordable health care, we are going to have to stick it to providers and consumers (and perhaps tax the "rich" more, but good luck with that).
I'm not sure most folks are ready to sacrifice to get truly affordable care. I would like to be wrong, but . . . . . .
I do see one advantage to allowing insurers to make a "reasonable" profit -- the government does not have to come up with the hundreds of billions of dollars necessary to invest in the massive system necessary to manage health care/insurance. And insurers end up taking a big portion of the risk for covering some 30 million uninsured, and moving to Obamacare.
(Before someone says, Medicare does it of 3 to 6% -- remember insurance companies currently do most of the administrative work for Medicare. The feds make the rules, and Blue Cross, Cigna, etc., administer the program. Further, 28% of Medicare beneficiaries have voluntarily chosen to enroll in Medicare Advantage Plans offered by . . . . . . .the same insurance companies we are griping about.)
Health care is not going to be an easy fix, no matter how we do it. I'm just glad we've made a small start, rather than kicking the can down the road like we did with Hilliarycare in the 1990s.
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I think my wife and I together make too much--though student loan payments take a bite
yurbud
Sep 2013
#8
People who now pay their own costs will be thrilled! My COBRA is $1,432.49/month.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#3
There were times when I could have gotten individual insurance for that but couldn't afford it
yurbud
Sep 2013
#9
I pay for my own, but am lucky enough to live in the only state that has implemented
bluestate10
Sep 2013
#25
It's not the "real" cost of health CARE, it's the real cost of health INSURANCE COMPANY PROFITS
yurbud
Sep 2013
#35
That profit is definitely waste, but at best eliminating "profit" from premiums will save only 10%
Hoyt
Sep 2013
#53
That average Walmart employer would get insurance that are virtually free to them under the
bluestate10
Sep 2013
#26
Not to worry Demo_Chris the poor people will be dumped into the so-called bronze plans
Egalitarian Thug
Sep 2013
#37
Almost nobody has to pay the Part A premium (except for the Medicare trust fund)
Recursion
Sep 2013
#57
Most people that have jobs that provide health care coverage never see the real cost of their
bluestate10
Sep 2013
#28
I understand that if you get a silver plan, many people can get subsidies for out-of-pocket costs,
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#13
A person or family must earn below a specific amount for subsidies. In my state, a
bluestate10
Sep 2013
#22
I once got a quote out of curiosity from Blue Cross over the phone, the guy actually said
JaneyVee
Sep 2013
#21
The quote was likely for a top of the line Gold plan. Search on your ACA Exchange.
bluestate10
Sep 2013
#23
My prediction: The ACA's greatest contribution will be to show the wisdom of single-payer n/t
arcane1
Sep 2013
#27
Probably a good thing but I'm not really personally pleased as that piece will make my
TheKentuckian
Sep 2013
#36
We effectively cannot, not most of us. Our employer contribution is not portable and we can't get
TheKentuckian
Sep 2013
#38
They better pay a hell of a lot more and magically spring up within walking distance.
TheKentuckian
Sep 2013
#46
I would like to see a single payer system and though I was covered over the years by insurance I
Thinkingabout
Sep 2013
#32