General Discussion

pnwmom

(110,231 posts)

55. Many people see the ACA as a large step toward the real goal

Sun Sep 29, 2013, 03:00 PM

Sep 2013

Medicare for all or single payer.

And to that end, the ACA will be funding state experiments in single-payer, as in Vermont, for example.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

60 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

A possible unintended side effect of Obamacare [View all] yurbud Sep 2013 OP

A lot of people have been asking for that enlightenment Sep 2013 #1

"turned away"? How about arrested and marched out solarhydrocan Sep 2013 #4

I have not forgotten. RC Sep 2013 #5

outside, on the steps at best (if we're lucky) yurbud Sep 2013 #34

At the 'You're allowed to voice your protest here' zone. icymist Sep 2013 #44

Would you qualify for a subsidy to help with that amount? NightWatcher Sep 2013 #2

I think my wife and I together make too much--though student loan payments take a bite yurbud Sep 2013 #8

Discounted premium. Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #18

People who now pay their own costs will be thrilled! My COBRA is $1,432.49/month. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #3

There were times when I could have gotten individual insurance for that but couldn't afford it yurbud Sep 2013 #9

And, COBRA is for a limited time, right? MH1 Sep 2013 #15

18 months and then 18 months again = 3 years. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #17

Should be far less than COBRA. n/t Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #20

I pay for my own, but am lucky enough to live in the only state that has implemented bluestate10 Sep 2013 #25

It's not the "real" cost of health CARE, it's the real cost of health INSURANCE COMPANY PROFITS yurbud Sep 2013 #35

That profit is definitely waste, but at best eliminating "profit" from premiums will save only 10% Hoyt Sep 2013 #53

and for those who dont live in "blue states"? bunnies Sep 2013 #54

The average Walmart worker earns about 17K a year... Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #6

Those will have subsidies MH1 Sep 2013 #16

That average Walmart employer would get insurance that are virtually free to them under the bluestate10 Sep 2013 #26

Not to worry Demo_Chris the poor people will be dumped into the so-called bronze plans Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #37

Sadly, the mandated premiums demanded of the poor... Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #39

I don't think there's any question of for whom it works, at all. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #41

This is my read on it as well.. Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #42

Not entirely. Some wellness/preventative measures will be free Orangepeel Sep 2013 #47

That would be a very good side effect. Laelth Sep 2013 #7

I don't think it's the intent, but I hope it's an effect nonetheless yurbud Sep 2013 #10

As a side point, that's cheaper than Medicare Recursion Sep 2013 #11

You can't be serious. RebelOne Sep 2013 #12

You presumably have paid in to the system, yes? Recursion Sep 2013 #14

I am over 65 and I think I just have Part A, RebelOne Sep 2013 #52

Almost nobody has to pay the Part A premium (except for the Medicare trust fund) Recursion Sep 2013 #57

Most people that have jobs that provide health care coverage never see the real cost of their bluestate10 Sep 2013 #28

That goes on this year's W-2's, right? Recursion Sep 2013 #29

You must be kidding. RebelOne Sep 2013 #51

But Part A - hospital - is "free," and you only pay about 1/3 average of Part B. Hoyt Sep 2013 #56

That's the subsidized Part B premium Recursion Sep 2013 #58

I understand that if you get a silver plan, many people can get subsidies for out-of-pocket costs, pnwmom Sep 2013 #13

A person or family must earn below a specific amount for subsidies. In my state, a bluestate10 Sep 2013 #22

BINGO. We have a WINNAH!!! bluestate10 Sep 2013 #19

I once got a quote out of curiosity from Blue Cross over the phone, the guy actually said JaneyVee Sep 2013 #21

The quote was likely for a top of the line Gold plan. Search on your ACA Exchange. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #23

This was 4 years ago. I was agreeing that most people don't know how much JaneyVee Sep 2013 #24

I was actually looking at Kaiser. I like the way they deliver services. yurbud Sep 2013 #33

My prediction: The ACA's greatest contribution will be to show the wisdom of single-payer n/t arcane1 Sep 2013 #27

"they probably have no idea what the total cost of their coverage is." PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #30

Probably a good thing but I'm not really personally pleased as that piece will make my TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #36

I'm glad that's in there. I hope people actually look at it. yurbud Sep 2013 #45

And the more who sign up, the less HC is linked to a specific job. DevonRex Sep 2013 #31

We effectively cannot, not most of us. Our employer contribution is not portable and we can't get TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #38

I'm looking at it this way. DevonRex Sep 2013 #40

They better pay a hell of a lot more and magically spring up within walking distance. TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #46

I would like to see a single payer system and though I was covered over the years by insurance I Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #32

good god his insurance is 1200/mth. who okieinpain Sep 2013 #43

I've been saying this LWolf Sep 2013 #48

I agree with you. DevonRex Sep 2013 #49

I guess I'll find out SOMETHING for sure on October 1st. LWolf Sep 2013 #50

Before I got coverage through a job, I used to do the math on premiums vs my out of pocket costs... yurbud Sep 2013 #59

Yes. LWolf Sep 2013 #60

Many people see the ACA as a large step toward the real goal pnwmom Sep 2013 #55