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In reply to the discussion: 52% want (CA) bullet train stopped, poll finds (LA Times) [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)72. Well, Loma Prieta wasn't back in the dark ages. And that was some major infrastructure failure.
And so was Northridge:
4:31 am January 17, 1994 the community of Northridge was hit with a devastating earthquake. The earthquake was recorded to have a magnitude of 6.7 and a ground acceleration that was said to be one of the highest in North America. In simple words this was a very powerful earthquake. It caused over 9000 injuries with 72 deaths (Northridge 2010). On the financial side, the earthquake generated over $20 billion in damage, one of the most expensive natural disasters in U.S history. On top of the cost of this disaster, buildings had to be rebuilt. Many campus buildings belonging to the California State University were heavily damaged and one parking structure collapsed. Hospitals were among the most affected buildings. Eleven hospitals were left unusable. As a result the neighboring hospitals had to take care of extra patients. As a result on January 1, 2005 all California hospitals were required to have emergency rooms that were earthquake proof structures. ...
http://failures.wikispaces.com/1994+Northridge
And more recently the Oakland Bay Bridge failed, that took four years to build a new one...
I'm not saying that California engineers are incompetent or incapable, but it's a big state and it has a lot of infrastructure and a lot of issues, unstable ground being the most talked about, followed by mudslides and fires.
It's not the lessons that have already been learned, it's the new lessons that have yet to be learned. When something goes wrong with CA infrastructure, it's rarely a cheap fix....
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I love high speed rail but there is little justification for a $ 100 billion investment
grantcart
Sep 2013
#2
LA to SF/Oakland is the second busiest air route in the US with over 6 millon passengers
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2013
#6
Not if you count the time required to travel to the airport, sit around, and go through security
Lydia Leftcoast
Sep 2013
#41
As BNW indicated, its a busy route, but also, this is part of a well integrated mass transit system.
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#9
"we need high speed trains connecting regional large cities" -- not necessarily
grantcart
Sep 2013
#27
"This will be the first that links two urban areas that are wide apart...."
A HERETIC I AM
Sep 2013
#100
For the cost of the HSR, which will serve tourists and business travellers....
Xithras
Sep 2013
#108
not true. doing a major high speed link between major metro areas would be huge
Pretzel_Warrior
Sep 2013
#115
HS travel requires a corridor of several highly dense urban centeres close together.
grantcart
Sep 2013
#123
I'd like to see us, as a nation, fix up AMTRAK in a big way. I LOVE train travel.
MADem
Sep 2013
#19
I've availed myself of Japanese public transit, as well as the European system(s),
MADem
Sep 2013
#42
The government subsidizes AMTRAK to the tune of something like thirty some odd bucks a passenger.
MADem
Sep 2013
#61
As I said, I was in the Loma Prieta quake. Not the worst quake in terms of the numbers, either...
MADem
Sep 2013
#46
Well, from the OP article posted, it looks like more than "anyone" feels like you say I do.
MADem
Sep 2013
#59
Anything that causes an earthquake, fracking included, would impact this project and would
MADem
Sep 2013
#67
That's a big "if"--and even if they do due diligence, we don't have a lot of data on exactly how
MADem
Sep 2013
#70
Well, Loma Prieta wasn't back in the dark ages. And that was some major infrastructure failure.
MADem
Sep 2013
#72
Exactly, but it is highly questionable whether the rich would spend the EXTRA time needed
grantcart
Sep 2013
#30
You guys make me laugh. The rich fly private jets from airports you don't use.
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2013
#83
My Assemblywoman, Diane Harkey, had only one thing to say in her ballot statement
dogknob
Sep 2013
#18
Diane Harkey who you are promoting here as reasonable is a right wing Republican
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2013
#86
I guess I am one of the 48% in favor of this project...This connection is going to happen..
Tikki
Sep 2013
#20
Agree. They cherry picked the survey for the headline. There's more to the picture, as you note.
pinto
Sep 2013
#23
The Central Valley is prime for HSR. I agree with other comments about local mass transit, as well.
pinto
Sep 2013
#25
The money behind the report saying that it is unfeasible? The legislation that passed it:
grantcart
Sep 2013
#32
Bottom line: Future Soaring Fuel Costs Will Make The Public Demand Better Mass Transportation System
Yavin4
Sep 2013
#37
I don't know enough about all the specifics but certainly our country desperately needs to develop
Douglas Carpenter
Sep 2013
#39
The project is bringing much needed federal funding and will create jobs.
Live and Learn
Sep 2013
#51
I suggest building a gimungous kevlar vest, somewhere around King City.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2013
#54
You'd think with a name like BULLET train, it would get widespread conservative support.
JEFF9K
Sep 2013
#58
How about a referendum diverting the funds from the current, designed to fail project,
Egalitarian Thug
Sep 2013
#102
And it's a good one. If we had anyone left in government working for the people,
Egalitarian Thug
Oct 2013
#125
That's just silly. In the first place, Californians already come to Vegas and nothings going
Egalitarian Thug
Sep 2013
#113
I think doing the Vegas > LA leg would make the other(s) more likely to happen.
Egalitarian Thug
Sep 2013
#114
You're right and that was the poison pill they used to kill it. Victorville? Really? n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Oct 2013
#126