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Samantha

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194. He absolutely should not take a deal

Sun Sep 29, 2013, 08:51 PM

Sep 2013

He has to send a message to the Republicans he will not be intimidated or coerced by their tactics. If he does not, he will be facing these types of tactics the rest of his second term.

There are always snafus in any major piece of new legislation. There are ironed out as they bubble to the top. The sooner the ironing starts, the sooner the wrinkles disappear.

The Republicans want this legislation stalled until after the 2014 elections because of the provision that everyone who signs up for insurance is guaranteed the right to register to vote at a Federal facility. This provision helps suppress that legislation passed by several Republican governors to deny many voters the right to vote. Federal law trumps state law and so allowing this legislation to go forward is the right thing to do on so many different levels.

And I didn't even mention the harm done to the uninsured if the Act is delayed....

But while I disagree with you, welcome to DU!

Sam

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President Obama Should Take the Deal [View all] erpowers Sep 2013 OP

It is a bad deal Gothmog Sep 2013 #1

Think about how many voters will be registered before 2014 while enrolling for the ACA. Coyotl Sep 2013 #41

Yep loyalsister Sep 2013 #144

If he compromises, they'll know he has no spine and will do the same thing next year. kysrsoze Sep 2013 #60

They won't wait until next year. They'll do it on the debt ceiling. nt truebluegreen Sep 2013 #157

And they will ask for more and more concessions as all blackmailers do. And kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #77

You can not negotiate with terrorists Gothmog Sep 2013 #143

You're right! The repukes are acting like terrorists! TheDebbieDee Sep 2013 #226

Tea party terrorists. Fixed it. Cha Sep 2013 #165

More and more people need to start calling them what they are, Tea Party Domestic Terrorists. They RKP5637 Sep 2013 #213

Yes Indeed! Cha Sep 2013 #243

Exactly! n/t JimDandy Sep 2013 #242

Yep. The way the threat of the sequester forced everybody in DC to "work on fixing" the debt limit. stopbush Sep 2013 #187

He shouldn't compromise on anything until the last minute. Lasher Sep 2013 #2

No. The individual mandate underpins the program, without it, Obamacare become a cash bluestate10 Sep 2013 #11

You mean like Medicare? Lasher Sep 2013 #25

Medicare is a completely different program and you should know that. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #33

Medicare does not include healthy, younger people like you. Lasher Sep 2013 #49

Your observation is true given the current state of affairs. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #93

BTW. This is a good back and forth. Neither of us are name calling, just presenting our bluestate10 Sep 2013 #97

Refreshing, isn't it? Lasher Sep 2013 #109

Wow, Lasher and Bluestate you're Great! dballance Sep 2013 #251

Actually, it does. jeff47 Sep 2013 #192

That is true. Lasher Sep 2013 #256

No, you've still got it wrong. jeff47 Sep 2013 #257

I beg to differ. Lasher Sep 2013 #266

Still no. jeff47 Sep 2013 #272

Medicare is a very broad category. What do you mean? Part A is free, paid for by your deductions rhett o rick Sep 2013 #240

Can young people really afford this? dkf Sep 2013 #35

I don't get subsidies because of what I earn. But, yes, I can afford it. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #104

Um yes... Extra taxes in there you know. dkf Sep 2013 #117

Here is an example of how this bill will save money in the long run. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #122

You really don't think you can get sick or hurt? Seriously? Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #82

I didn't claim that I can't get sick or hurt. Where did you see that? bluestate10 Sep 2013 #107

Besides, the individual mandate was an originally a GOP idea!! That needs to be pressed more by the kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #84

Yes, the Heritage Foundation came up with that one. Lasher Sep 2013 #101

It's an underrated piece of the ACA loyalsister Sep 2013 #150

Worst possible thing barring single-payer duffyduff Sep 2013 #173

One of the things I most resent from the right and left loyalsister Sep 2013 #174

aca calculators questionseverything Sep 2013 #195

and loyalsister Sep 2013 #212

honestly i hope these calculators are wrong questionseverything Sep 2013 #223

No...the mandate is a non-negotiable part in this. Chan790 Sep 2013 #279

No! Siwsan Sep 2013 #3

+1 LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #31

I know literally a dozen people who are stoked to get insurance. trumad Sep 2013 #4

I'm one of those people Maeve Sep 2013 #44

Same here. Some are finally going to be able to get treatment for conditions they Zorra Sep 2013 #70

No one who is reasonable would conclude that the Democrats are the unreasonable party in this idiocy DefenseLawyer Sep 2013 #5

You are dead wrong. Republicans want the delay to kill the law, that is clear to anyone bluestate10 Sep 2013 #6

Are you kidding? Uben Sep 2013 #7

no way. in fact its really too late.. the wheels are already in motion. DCBob Sep 2013 #8

True and stopping them for a year is really a RW gambit to kill it forever karynnj Sep 2013 #265

now is a good time for me to add you to Full Ignore. ZRT2209 Sep 2013 #9

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #16

I agree. Ignoring views than make one angry doesn't lead to any change. nt bluestate10 Sep 2013 #22

that's what the Admins recommended for trolls, and I smell troll. ZRT2209 Sep 2013 #118

I was stunned by the confused reasoning, but that shouldn't get a person set to Ignore. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #21

That's nice, dear. Squinch Sep 2013 #53

I have a big problem with ignoring stuff that makes one uncomfortable. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #88

Good for you! Squinch Sep 2013 #95

Igonore is the online equivalent Warpy Sep 2013 #178

Intellectual cowards?!? chervilant Sep 2013 #90

Unbelievable!!! liberal from boston Sep 2013 #121

Is there a such thing as Partial Ignore? snooper2 Sep 2013 #275

No. Let them shut down the government. jsr Sep 2013 #10

Bull, they will just pull this again and again. No Deal. Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #12

No. Autumn Sep 2013 #13

Republicans will just pull the same stunt and ask for another year delay when the time comes. BenzoDia Sep 2013 #14

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO n/t MoonRiver Sep 2013 #15

No. Scuba Sep 2013 #17

Huh? malaise Sep 2013 #18

Uh, no. Not even close. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #19

Nope. 99Forever Sep 2013 #20

Nada! truebluegreen Sep 2013 #158

You do realize that next year ... surrealAmerican Sep 2013 #23

Next Year erpowers Sep 2013 #201

I'm going to assume you do not pay attention to the news.... steve2470 Sep 2013 #204

I Do Pay Attention to the News erpowers Sep 2013 #209

ok...then in the past 3+ years what else was PBO supposed to do ? steve2470 Sep 2013 #211

People Are Unaware About Program erpowers Sep 2013 #215

after October 1st there's plenty of time to get educated and make a choice steve2470 Sep 2013 #216

the PPACA went into effect 3 years and over 6 months ago steve2470 Sep 2013 #220

More than that - next year they would be voting before the 2014 election karynnj Sep 2013 #267

Absolutely ridiculous! Have you learned nothing? Atman Sep 2013 #24

Never negotiate with terrorist Pakid Sep 2013 #26

No. Neither the President nor the Senate MineralMan Sep 2013 #27

NO, NADA, NYET. That just postpones the excuse for the same stunt over and over. northoftheborder Sep 2013 #28

They just want the delay so they can run against it next year. bunnies Sep 2013 #29

Pull my finger . . . . . no_hypocrisy Sep 2013 #30

Republicans should clean their own House of obstructionist extremists. pinto Sep 2013 #32

BINGO!!! nt bluestate10 Sep 2013 #38

No.... CherokeeDem Sep 2013 #34

I just KNEW one of you were out there durablend Sep 2013 #36

Then next year he should take the same deal, or a worse one, right? Coyotl Sep 2013 #37

After six years of manipulative shenanigans, you really believe they want to "fix" ANYthing?? ancianita Sep 2013 #39

In keeping with the OP PCIntern Sep 2013 #40

NO NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!!!! durablend Sep 2013 #42

Agreed Gothmog Sep 2013 #145

No. PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #43

Where am I? WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #45

So Reps are already compromising..first it was to defund, now it's to delay Sheepshank Sep 2013 #46

And one year from now, what do you think would happen? Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #47

Also, what right wing policies will they try to extort from the debt ceiling deadline? MH1 Sep 2013 #59

Bullshit. People need health care NOW BlueToTheBone Sep 2013 #48

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! tabasco Sep 2013 #50

Really? Alkene Sep 2013 #51

1. If we were dealing with reasonable, honorable people, MH1 Sep 2013 #52

You have a point...they voted 41 times to repeal/defund Obamacare Sheepshank Sep 2013 #66

Computer Glitches Helpers Not Certified erpowers Sep 2013 #197

LOL, nice hit and run! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #54

This is a joke, right? Squinch Sep 2013 #55

No! Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #56

Is this the way the country will be run from now on? hollowdweller Sep 2013 #57

Bullshit! the President should make no compromises with these thugs. Let them shut it down notadmblnd Sep 2013 #58

we don't negotiate with terrorist warrior1 Sep 2013 #61

Big fat FTS on that. They'll keep moving the goal posts. DinahMoeHum Sep 2013 #62

ErPowers you are DEAD WRONG Heather MC Sep 2013 #63

In addition. If Democrats cave in, every bill or deadline that comes up will be bluestate10 Sep 2013 #73

Tea Turds should be hand cuffed and placed on trial for Treason Heather MC Sep 2013 #81

Thank you--they should be placed on trial for Treason liberal from boston Sep 2013 #123

Sedition actually, truebluegreen Sep 2013 #159

No flame here but I disagree :) Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 2013 #64

The last "deal" we took landed us in the sequester. Yeah, that "unthinkable" sequester winter is coming Sep 2013 #65

The health insurance exchange application includes voter registration. MrsKirkley Sep 2013 #67

The Exchanges don't include voter registration. A person have to put in their Zip code so that bluestate10 Sep 2013 #79

There was a thread on the boards here saying they did MrsKirkley Sep 2013 #100

The exchanges don't, but the law says you have to offer it while people sign up. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2013 #262

If Obama takes the deal he'll look reasonable to who? I would like to know. Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #68

Fuck that and fuck them. If anything he could make a prime time Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2013 #69

Fuck that. The Republicans need to be fucking curbstomped if they shut down the government. backscatter712 Sep 2013 #71

What in the world? qanda Sep 2013 #72

And do WHAT when they delay it again? NightWatcher Sep 2013 #74

775 views, 73 responses, 0 recommendations alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #75

Several people have made recommendations. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #85

He means the THREAD hasn't gotten any rec's n/t durablend Sep 2013 #91

ROFL alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #96

Not Concerned erpowers Sep 2013 #208

lol darkangel218 Sep 2013 #217

It doesn't matter whether you *wanted* recommendations: the fact that you've received none alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #237

Hell no... JCMach1 Sep 2013 #76

Comical BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #78

Hi Third Way Manny durablend Sep 2013 #80

I'd say take the deal if they throw in free rustproofing and undercoating jsr Sep 2013 #83

See, they install that Tru-coat down at the factory. There's really nothing we can do about it DefenseLawyer Sep 2013 #111

No No No and all the oxygen has left the room. gordianot Sep 2013 #86

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sheshe2 Sep 2013 #87

Wow itsrobert Sep 2013 #89

Stupidest thing I've heard all weekend. Iggo Sep 2013 #92

Isn't there SOMEBODY to back up OP?!? durablend Sep 2013 #94

No. The longer the implementation of the ACA is delayed, the longer people who need healthcare JDPriestly Sep 2013 #98

Absolutely Not Liberal_Dog Sep 2013 #99

Bullshit Marrah_G Sep 2013 #102

They cannot stop the ACA. It is mandatory spending. Obama will make no deal. andtheBeast Sep 2013 #103

bad idea - no deal kydo Sep 2013 #105

You are talking about the effect of the shutdown I take it. BootinUp Sep 2013 #149

Never negotiate with terrorists or toddlers... demwing Sep 2013 #106

Perfect! jsr Sep 2013 #108

Are you sure you're on the right board. Old Navy Sep 2013 #110

Interesting: dgibby Sep 2013 #112

I noticed that too! n/t rdharma Sep 2013 #114

Not a single REC for the OP rdharma Sep 2013 #113

My sister who works for $11 an hour will save $250 a month. That's $3,000 next year. libdem4life Sep 2013 #115

Should-hood is shit-hood Cirque du So-What Sep 2013 #116

What are you a mole? Robbins Sep 2013 #119

No. ljm2002 Sep 2013 #120

Never negotiate with terrorists. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2013 #124

Yeah...that would take us right up to the election next year. kentuck Sep 2013 #125

No, never. And cave to the gop? Nope. nt babylonsister Sep 2013 #126

that would be a really fucking stupid thing for him to do. bowens43 Sep 2013 #127

That's all about party politics. riqster Sep 2013 #128

Very dumb idea. Lil Missy Sep 2013 #129

You must have health insurance, to say this... judy Sep 2013 #130

How much will it cost if there's a delay in ACA? bigwillq Sep 2013 #131

So the TeaPublicans have a platform for the 2014 Election Cycle? Blue Idaho Sep 2013 #132

He's already backed down enough Stargazer09 Sep 2013 #133

So you're okay with the Republican restictions on birth control? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2013 #134

0 recommends! B Calm Sep 2013 #135

He should give up nothing LittleBlue Sep 2013 #136

Agreed Gothmog Sep 2013 #175

I thought this was a joke OP darkangel218 Sep 2013 #137

You thought correctly IDemo Sep 2013 #148

No fucking way Bobbie Jo Sep 2013 #138

Um, no. Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #139

Then we'd have no government going forward. DirkGently Sep 2013 #140

. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #141

I'm starting to think this was your way of GBCW.... steve2470 Sep 2013 #142

The Republicans can only lose in a government shut down Nevernose Sep 2013 #146

This is completely wrong headed. BootinUp Sep 2013 #147

No abelenkpe Sep 2013 #151

ZERO RECS, 2,000+ views, 150+ comments = says it all Coyotl Sep 2013 #152

175 posts and no recs Gothmog Sep 2013 #176

NO! The Dems have TRIED to get the Repubs to negotiate over ways to fix tblue37 Sep 2013 #153

It's bad enough this part of the ACA was delayed this long -- some four years SheilaT Sep 2013 #154

Pres Obama and the Democrats are already painted as "unreasonable" for not doing what the repubs uppityperson Sep 2013 #155

It isn't a deal AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #156

This is blackmail, not a deal. It will never end if Obama caves. kwassa Sep 2013 #160

I understand all the arguments against yours Yo_Mama Sep 2013 #161

What deal? There is no deal here. There are a bunch of children throwing a tantrum... SomethingFishy Sep 2013 #162

I don't have a year to wait Spacemom Sep 2013 #163

would be the dumbest thing anyone could do - let me add that the media rurallib Sep 2013 #164

Absolutely NOT! Blue_Roses Sep 2013 #166

Reasonable? Like the sequester deal, right? BklnDem75 Sep 2013 #167

What will stop them from demanding another one-year delay in 2014? jmowreader Sep 2013 #168

Never negotiate with terrorists. Rex Sep 2013 #169

Congratulations, erpowers. You have done the impossible. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #170

Exactly! rdharma Sep 2013 #172

That would be political suicide. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #171

no DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #177

You must be one of those rich DU'ers....right? RagAss Sep 2013 #179

Not no, but FUCK NO! denbot Sep 2013 #180

sorry, but you deserve the flaming you're getting Skittles Sep 2013 #181

I dont think the OP cares darkangel218 Sep 2013 #185

no doubt they are posting the results on another board Skittles Sep 2013 #188

Yah no kidding. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #190

Wrong. Giving in to terrorists does not make them stop Doctor_J Sep 2013 #182

No, Niet, Nai, Non SummerSnow Sep 2013 #183

NO... handmade34 Sep 2013 #184

My family of 4 is DEPENDING ON OBAMACARE starting to get health insurance. stopbush Sep 2013 #186

No. Tien1985 Sep 2013 #189

i have never seen apost with so many comments and zero recs Liberal_in_LA Sep 2013 #191

And what about the exchanges states have set up that open tomorrow? nt dflprincess Sep 2013 #193

He absolutely should not take a deal Samantha Sep 2013 #194

Disagree.. yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #196

Only offering to continuing funding for a couple of months--lousy deal!!!! Justice Sep 2013 #198

There is no "deal" and the only way to look reasonable is to put blame where it belongs... JHB Sep 2013 #199

Oh, and 200 replies, still no recs! JHB Sep 2013 #200

No. cordelia Sep 2013 #202

No.. sendero Sep 2013 #203

Double minus ungood lunasun Sep 2013 #205

No! Absolutely not! Owl Sep 2013 #206

With all respect, wrong logic IMO. Backing down when faced with obstructionists is not RKP5637 Sep 2013 #207

People should be shit-canned from this website for making such OPs. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #210

If the Republicans want to change the ACA they can do so kiranon Sep 2013 #214

So you think the Republicans should have a year to complain that "ACA doesn't work"? brooklynite Sep 2013 #218

And then next year, and the year after that, and the year after THAT... Scootaloo Sep 2013 #219

K&R! BootinUp Sep 2013 #221

Lmao!!!! darkangel218 Sep 2013 #222

fawk that noise. n/t Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #224

Here's why something that sounds reasonable isn't: pnwmom Sep 2013 #225

Are you nuts? If he gives in to a 1 year delay it will be the doc03 Sep 2013 #227

the congressional republicans should take arely staircase Sep 2013 #228

Republicans? Gain points? Want to fix the problems? What problems? mwooldri Sep 2013 #229

Extortion should not be rewarded. AAO Sep 2013 #230

It is not a deal, it just allows the GOP to try to kill or defund ACA for another year krawhitham Sep 2013 #231

No No No No No Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #232

231 replies and no rec's sgtbenobo Sep 2013 #233

and it's been viewed over 5,250 times and 0 recommends. A record, perhaps so! B Calm Sep 2013 #258

Who are you? brush Sep 2013 #234

No. This is just as much about next time... Pholus Sep 2013 #235

No. highplainsdem Sep 2013 #236

a poster said channeling Neville Chamberlain from the great beyond. TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #238

Beyond ridiculous, as the response to your OP clearly shows. Must be nice not... SaveOurDemocracy Sep 2013 #239

There is a whole lot more at stake in this fight than the Affordable Care Act! markpkessinger Sep 2013 #241

bullshit. a year from now they will pull the same shit. spanone Sep 2013 #244

This message was self-deleted by its author Hutzpa Sep 2013 #245

wtf!! No Caving this time. nt Hutzpa Sep 2013 #246

DON'T YOU GET IT? IT'S ABOUT THE NEXT ELECTION! Th1onein Sep 2013 #247

The GOP is terrified that the Affordable Care Act will work Gothmog Sep 2013 #264

Absolutely! If it were going to fail, they would do nothing. Th1onein Sep 2013 #280

You deserve to be flamed donheld Sep 2013 #248

Hell mzmolly Sep 2013 #249

Thanks. Now I know to disregard anything you say in the future. name not needed Sep 2013 #250

No fucking way. It's not a "deal". He passed the law, he won 2 fucking elections. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #252

Looking at the history of how the gluttonous arthritisR_US Sep 2013 #253

The deal is dropping women's coverage for preventative care. LeftyMom Sep 2013 #254

Geez, even I disagree with this. Jamastiene Sep 2013 #255

Congratulations!!! You have managed to unite the board. nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #259

And they said it couldn't be done! Rowdyboy Sep 2013 #270

Derp LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #260

Since this thread has become a de facto petition cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #261

Yes. WFT? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #271

And the next deal, too? And the one after that? n/t Orsino Sep 2013 #263

NO FUCKING COMPROMISE! R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #268

Not no but HELL NO! No compromise with terrorists now or ever again. Fuck the deal and fuck Rowdyboy Sep 2013 #269

The president should... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #273

What is the "Accordable Care Act"? KamaAina Sep 2013 #274

Nope! It is time for Obama to grow some balls..... onecent Sep 2013 #276

Steve Carrell said it best: charlie and algernon Sep 2013 #277

Oh FFS... tallahasseedem Sep 2013 #278

No, he should not. highprincipleswork Sep 2013 #281

HELL NO! DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #282