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rhett o rick

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240. Medicare is a very broad category. What do you mean? Part A is free, paid for by your deductions

Sun Sep 29, 2013, 11:45 PM

Sep 2013

from your pay. So I doubt you are talking about Part A. Part B doesnt have a mandate but has stiff fines for late enrollment. That accomplishes what the mandate does.

Obamacare needs the mandate irregardless of whose idea it was.

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President Obama Should Take the Deal [View all] erpowers Sep 2013 OP

It is a bad deal Gothmog Sep 2013 #1

Think about how many voters will be registered before 2014 while enrolling for the ACA. Coyotl Sep 2013 #41

Yep loyalsister Sep 2013 #144

If he compromises, they'll know he has no spine and will do the same thing next year. kysrsoze Sep 2013 #60

They won't wait until next year. They'll do it on the debt ceiling. nt truebluegreen Sep 2013 #157

And they will ask for more and more concessions as all blackmailers do. And kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #77

You can not negotiate with terrorists Gothmog Sep 2013 #143

You're right! The repukes are acting like terrorists! TheDebbieDee Sep 2013 #226

Tea party terrorists. Fixed it. Cha Sep 2013 #165

More and more people need to start calling them what they are, Tea Party Domestic Terrorists. They RKP5637 Sep 2013 #213

Yes Indeed! Cha Sep 2013 #243

Exactly! n/t JimDandy Sep 2013 #242

Yep. The way the threat of the sequester forced everybody in DC to "work on fixing" the debt limit. stopbush Sep 2013 #187

He shouldn't compromise on anything until the last minute. Lasher Sep 2013 #2

No. The individual mandate underpins the program, without it, Obamacare become a cash bluestate10 Sep 2013 #11

You mean like Medicare? Lasher Sep 2013 #25

Medicare is a completely different program and you should know that. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #33

Medicare does not include healthy, younger people like you. Lasher Sep 2013 #49

Your observation is true given the current state of affairs. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #93

BTW. This is a good back and forth. Neither of us are name calling, just presenting our bluestate10 Sep 2013 #97

Refreshing, isn't it? Lasher Sep 2013 #109

Wow, Lasher and Bluestate you're Great! dballance Sep 2013 #251

Actually, it does. jeff47 Sep 2013 #192

That is true. Lasher Sep 2013 #256

No, you've still got it wrong. jeff47 Sep 2013 #257

I beg to differ. Lasher Sep 2013 #266

Still no. jeff47 Sep 2013 #272

Medicare is a very broad category. What do you mean? Part A is free, paid for by your deductions rhett o rick Sep 2013 #240

Can young people really afford this? dkf Sep 2013 #35

I don't get subsidies because of what I earn. But, yes, I can afford it. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #104

Um yes... Extra taxes in there you know. dkf Sep 2013 #117

Here is an example of how this bill will save money in the long run. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #122

You really don't think you can get sick or hurt? Seriously? Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #82

I didn't claim that I can't get sick or hurt. Where did you see that? bluestate10 Sep 2013 #107

Besides, the individual mandate was an originally a GOP idea!! That needs to be pressed more by the kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #84

Yes, the Heritage Foundation came up with that one. Lasher Sep 2013 #101

It's an underrated piece of the ACA loyalsister Sep 2013 #150

Worst possible thing barring single-payer duffyduff Sep 2013 #173

One of the things I most resent from the right and left loyalsister Sep 2013 #174

aca calculators questionseverything Sep 2013 #195

and loyalsister Sep 2013 #212

honestly i hope these calculators are wrong questionseverything Sep 2013 #223

No...the mandate is a non-negotiable part in this. Chan790 Sep 2013 #279

No! Siwsan Sep 2013 #3

+1 LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #31

I know literally a dozen people who are stoked to get insurance. trumad Sep 2013 #4

I'm one of those people Maeve Sep 2013 #44

Same here. Some are finally going to be able to get treatment for conditions they Zorra Sep 2013 #70

No one who is reasonable would conclude that the Democrats are the unreasonable party in this idiocy DefenseLawyer Sep 2013 #5

You are dead wrong. Republicans want the delay to kill the law, that is clear to anyone bluestate10 Sep 2013 #6

Are you kidding? Uben Sep 2013 #7

no way. in fact its really too late.. the wheels are already in motion. DCBob Sep 2013 #8

True and stopping them for a year is really a RW gambit to kill it forever karynnj Sep 2013 #265

now is a good time for me to add you to Full Ignore. ZRT2209 Sep 2013 #9

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #16

I agree. Ignoring views than make one angry doesn't lead to any change. nt bluestate10 Sep 2013 #22

that's what the Admins recommended for trolls, and I smell troll. ZRT2209 Sep 2013 #118

I was stunned by the confused reasoning, but that shouldn't get a person set to Ignore. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #21

That's nice, dear. Squinch Sep 2013 #53

I have a big problem with ignoring stuff that makes one uncomfortable. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #88

Good for you! Squinch Sep 2013 #95

Igonore is the online equivalent Warpy Sep 2013 #178

Intellectual cowards?!? chervilant Sep 2013 #90

Unbelievable!!! liberal from boston Sep 2013 #121

Is there a such thing as Partial Ignore? snooper2 Sep 2013 #275

No. Let them shut down the government. jsr Sep 2013 #10

Bull, they will just pull this again and again. No Deal. Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #12

No. Autumn Sep 2013 #13

Republicans will just pull the same stunt and ask for another year delay when the time comes. BenzoDia Sep 2013 #14

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO n/t MoonRiver Sep 2013 #15

No. Scuba Sep 2013 #17

Huh? malaise Sep 2013 #18

Uh, no. Not even close. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #19

Nope. 99Forever Sep 2013 #20

Nada! truebluegreen Sep 2013 #158

You do realize that next year ... surrealAmerican Sep 2013 #23

Next Year erpowers Sep 2013 #201

I'm going to assume you do not pay attention to the news.... steve2470 Sep 2013 #204

I Do Pay Attention to the News erpowers Sep 2013 #209

ok...then in the past 3+ years what else was PBO supposed to do ? steve2470 Sep 2013 #211

People Are Unaware About Program erpowers Sep 2013 #215

after October 1st there's plenty of time to get educated and make a choice steve2470 Sep 2013 #216

the PPACA went into effect 3 years and over 6 months ago steve2470 Sep 2013 #220

More than that - next year they would be voting before the 2014 election karynnj Sep 2013 #267

Absolutely ridiculous! Have you learned nothing? Atman Sep 2013 #24

Never negotiate with terrorist Pakid Sep 2013 #26

No. Neither the President nor the Senate MineralMan Sep 2013 #27

NO, NADA, NYET. That just postpones the excuse for the same stunt over and over. northoftheborder Sep 2013 #28

They just want the delay so they can run against it next year. bunnies Sep 2013 #29

Pull my finger . . . . . no_hypocrisy Sep 2013 #30

Republicans should clean their own House of obstructionist extremists. pinto Sep 2013 #32

BINGO!!! nt bluestate10 Sep 2013 #38

No.... CherokeeDem Sep 2013 #34

I just KNEW one of you were out there durablend Sep 2013 #36

Then next year he should take the same deal, or a worse one, right? Coyotl Sep 2013 #37

After six years of manipulative shenanigans, you really believe they want to "fix" ANYthing?? ancianita Sep 2013 #39

In keeping with the OP PCIntern Sep 2013 #40

NO NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!!!! durablend Sep 2013 #42

Agreed Gothmog Sep 2013 #145

No. PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #43

Where am I? WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #45

So Reps are already compromising..first it was to defund, now it's to delay Sheepshank Sep 2013 #46

And one year from now, what do you think would happen? Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #47

Also, what right wing policies will they try to extort from the debt ceiling deadline? MH1 Sep 2013 #59

Bullshit. People need health care NOW BlueToTheBone Sep 2013 #48

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! tabasco Sep 2013 #50

Really? Alkene Sep 2013 #51

1. If we were dealing with reasonable, honorable people, MH1 Sep 2013 #52

You have a point...they voted 41 times to repeal/defund Obamacare Sheepshank Sep 2013 #66

Computer Glitches Helpers Not Certified erpowers Sep 2013 #197

LOL, nice hit and run! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #54

This is a joke, right? Squinch Sep 2013 #55

No! Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #56

Is this the way the country will be run from now on? hollowdweller Sep 2013 #57

Bullshit! the President should make no compromises with these thugs. Let them shut it down notadmblnd Sep 2013 #58

we don't negotiate with terrorist warrior1 Sep 2013 #61

Big fat FTS on that. They'll keep moving the goal posts. DinahMoeHum Sep 2013 #62

ErPowers you are DEAD WRONG Heather MC Sep 2013 #63

In addition. If Democrats cave in, every bill or deadline that comes up will be bluestate10 Sep 2013 #73

Tea Turds should be hand cuffed and placed on trial for Treason Heather MC Sep 2013 #81

Thank you--they should be placed on trial for Treason liberal from boston Sep 2013 #123

Sedition actually, truebluegreen Sep 2013 #159

No flame here but I disagree :) Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 2013 #64

The last "deal" we took landed us in the sequester. Yeah, that "unthinkable" sequester winter is coming Sep 2013 #65

The health insurance exchange application includes voter registration. MrsKirkley Sep 2013 #67

The Exchanges don't include voter registration. A person have to put in their Zip code so that bluestate10 Sep 2013 #79

There was a thread on the boards here saying they did MrsKirkley Sep 2013 #100

The exchanges don't, but the law says you have to offer it while people sign up. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2013 #262

If Obama takes the deal he'll look reasonable to who? I would like to know. Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #68

Fuck that and fuck them. If anything he could make a prime time Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2013 #69

Fuck that. The Republicans need to be fucking curbstomped if they shut down the government. backscatter712 Sep 2013 #71

What in the world? qanda Sep 2013 #72

And do WHAT when they delay it again? NightWatcher Sep 2013 #74

775 views, 73 responses, 0 recommendations alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #75

Several people have made recommendations. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #85

He means the THREAD hasn't gotten any rec's n/t durablend Sep 2013 #91

ROFL alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #96

Not Concerned erpowers Sep 2013 #208

lol darkangel218 Sep 2013 #217

It doesn't matter whether you *wanted* recommendations: the fact that you've received none alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #237

Hell no... JCMach1 Sep 2013 #76

Comical BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #78

Hi Third Way Manny durablend Sep 2013 #80

I'd say take the deal if they throw in free rustproofing and undercoating jsr Sep 2013 #83

See, they install that Tru-coat down at the factory. There's really nothing we can do about it DefenseLawyer Sep 2013 #111

No No No and all the oxygen has left the room. gordianot Sep 2013 #86

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sheshe2 Sep 2013 #87

Wow itsrobert Sep 2013 #89

Stupidest thing I've heard all weekend. Iggo Sep 2013 #92

Isn't there SOMEBODY to back up OP?!? durablend Sep 2013 #94

No. The longer the implementation of the ACA is delayed, the longer people who need healthcare JDPriestly Sep 2013 #98

Absolutely Not Liberal_Dog Sep 2013 #99

Bullshit Marrah_G Sep 2013 #102

They cannot stop the ACA. It is mandatory spending. Obama will make no deal. andtheBeast Sep 2013 #103

bad idea - no deal kydo Sep 2013 #105

You are talking about the effect of the shutdown I take it. BootinUp Sep 2013 #149

Never negotiate with terrorists or toddlers... demwing Sep 2013 #106

Perfect! jsr Sep 2013 #108

Are you sure you're on the right board. Old Navy Sep 2013 #110

Interesting: dgibby Sep 2013 #112

I noticed that too! n/t rdharma Sep 2013 #114

Not a single REC for the OP rdharma Sep 2013 #113

My sister who works for $11 an hour will save $250 a month. That's $3,000 next year. libdem4life Sep 2013 #115

Should-hood is shit-hood Cirque du So-What Sep 2013 #116

What are you a mole? Robbins Sep 2013 #119

No. ljm2002 Sep 2013 #120

Never negotiate with terrorists. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2013 #124

Yeah...that would take us right up to the election next year. kentuck Sep 2013 #125

No, never. And cave to the gop? Nope. nt babylonsister Sep 2013 #126

that would be a really fucking stupid thing for him to do. bowens43 Sep 2013 #127

That's all about party politics. riqster Sep 2013 #128

Very dumb idea. Lil Missy Sep 2013 #129

You must have health insurance, to say this... judy Sep 2013 #130

How much will it cost if there's a delay in ACA? bigwillq Sep 2013 #131

So the TeaPublicans have a platform for the 2014 Election Cycle? Blue Idaho Sep 2013 #132

He's already backed down enough Stargazer09 Sep 2013 #133

So you're okay with the Republican restictions on birth control? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2013 #134

0 recommends! B Calm Sep 2013 #135

He should give up nothing LittleBlue Sep 2013 #136

Agreed Gothmog Sep 2013 #175

I thought this was a joke OP darkangel218 Sep 2013 #137

You thought correctly IDemo Sep 2013 #148

No fucking way Bobbie Jo Sep 2013 #138

Um, no. Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #139

Then we'd have no government going forward. DirkGently Sep 2013 #140

. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #141

I'm starting to think this was your way of GBCW.... steve2470 Sep 2013 #142

The Republicans can only lose in a government shut down Nevernose Sep 2013 #146

This is completely wrong headed. BootinUp Sep 2013 #147

No abelenkpe Sep 2013 #151

ZERO RECS, 2,000+ views, 150+ comments = says it all Coyotl Sep 2013 #152

175 posts and no recs Gothmog Sep 2013 #176

NO! The Dems have TRIED to get the Repubs to negotiate over ways to fix tblue37 Sep 2013 #153

It's bad enough this part of the ACA was delayed this long -- some four years SheilaT Sep 2013 #154

Pres Obama and the Democrats are already painted as "unreasonable" for not doing what the repubs uppityperson Sep 2013 #155

It isn't a deal AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #156

This is blackmail, not a deal. It will never end if Obama caves. kwassa Sep 2013 #160

I understand all the arguments against yours Yo_Mama Sep 2013 #161

What deal? There is no deal here. There are a bunch of children throwing a tantrum... SomethingFishy Sep 2013 #162

I don't have a year to wait Spacemom Sep 2013 #163

would be the dumbest thing anyone could do - let me add that the media rurallib Sep 2013 #164

Absolutely NOT! Blue_Roses Sep 2013 #166

Reasonable? Like the sequester deal, right? BklnDem75 Sep 2013 #167

What will stop them from demanding another one-year delay in 2014? jmowreader Sep 2013 #168

Never negotiate with terrorists. Rex Sep 2013 #169

Congratulations, erpowers. You have done the impossible. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #170

Exactly! rdharma Sep 2013 #172

That would be political suicide. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #171

no DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #177

You must be one of those rich DU'ers....right? RagAss Sep 2013 #179

Not no, but FUCK NO! denbot Sep 2013 #180

sorry, but you deserve the flaming you're getting Skittles Sep 2013 #181

I dont think the OP cares darkangel218 Sep 2013 #185

no doubt they are posting the results on another board Skittles Sep 2013 #188

Yah no kidding. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #190

Wrong. Giving in to terrorists does not make them stop Doctor_J Sep 2013 #182

No, Niet, Nai, Non SummerSnow Sep 2013 #183

NO... handmade34 Sep 2013 #184

My family of 4 is DEPENDING ON OBAMACARE starting to get health insurance. stopbush Sep 2013 #186

No. Tien1985 Sep 2013 #189

i have never seen apost with so many comments and zero recs Liberal_in_LA Sep 2013 #191

And what about the exchanges states have set up that open tomorrow? nt dflprincess Sep 2013 #193

He absolutely should not take a deal Samantha Sep 2013 #194

Disagree.. yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #196

Only offering to continuing funding for a couple of months--lousy deal!!!! Justice Sep 2013 #198

There is no "deal" and the only way to look reasonable is to put blame where it belongs... JHB Sep 2013 #199

Oh, and 200 replies, still no recs! JHB Sep 2013 #200

No. cordelia Sep 2013 #202

No.. sendero Sep 2013 #203

Double minus ungood lunasun Sep 2013 #205

No! Absolutely not! Owl Sep 2013 #206

With all respect, wrong logic IMO. Backing down when faced with obstructionists is not RKP5637 Sep 2013 #207

People should be shit-canned from this website for making such OPs. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #210

If the Republicans want to change the ACA they can do so kiranon Sep 2013 #214

So you think the Republicans should have a year to complain that "ACA doesn't work"? brooklynite Sep 2013 #218

And then next year, and the year after that, and the year after THAT... Scootaloo Sep 2013 #219

K&R! BootinUp Sep 2013 #221

Lmao!!!! darkangel218 Sep 2013 #222

fawk that noise. n/t Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #224

Here's why something that sounds reasonable isn't: pnwmom Sep 2013 #225

Are you nuts? If he gives in to a 1 year delay it will be the doc03 Sep 2013 #227

the congressional republicans should take arely staircase Sep 2013 #228

Republicans? Gain points? Want to fix the problems? What problems? mwooldri Sep 2013 #229

Extortion should not be rewarded. AAO Sep 2013 #230

It is not a deal, it just allows the GOP to try to kill or defund ACA for another year krawhitham Sep 2013 #231

No No No No No Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #232

231 replies and no rec's sgtbenobo Sep 2013 #233

and it's been viewed over 5,250 times and 0 recommends. A record, perhaps so! B Calm Sep 2013 #258

Who are you? brush Sep 2013 #234

No. This is just as much about next time... Pholus Sep 2013 #235

No. highplainsdem Sep 2013 #236

a poster said channeling Neville Chamberlain from the great beyond. TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #238

Beyond ridiculous, as the response to your OP clearly shows. Must be nice not... SaveOurDemocracy Sep 2013 #239

There is a whole lot more at stake in this fight than the Affordable Care Act! markpkessinger Sep 2013 #241

bullshit. a year from now they will pull the same shit. spanone Sep 2013 #244

This message was self-deleted by its author Hutzpa Sep 2013 #245

wtf!! No Caving this time. nt Hutzpa Sep 2013 #246

DON'T YOU GET IT? IT'S ABOUT THE NEXT ELECTION! Th1onein Sep 2013 #247

The GOP is terrified that the Affordable Care Act will work Gothmog Sep 2013 #264

Absolutely! If it were going to fail, they would do nothing. Th1onein Sep 2013 #280

You deserve to be flamed donheld Sep 2013 #248

Hell mzmolly Sep 2013 #249

Thanks. Now I know to disregard anything you say in the future. name not needed Sep 2013 #250

No fucking way. It's not a "deal". He passed the law, he won 2 fucking elections. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #252

Looking at the history of how the gluttonous arthritisR_US Sep 2013 #253

The deal is dropping women's coverage for preventative care. LeftyMom Sep 2013 #254

Geez, even I disagree with this. Jamastiene Sep 2013 #255

Congratulations!!! You have managed to unite the board. nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #259

And they said it couldn't be done! Rowdyboy Sep 2013 #270

Derp LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #260

Since this thread has become a de facto petition cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #261

Yes. WFT? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #271

And the next deal, too? And the one after that? n/t Orsino Sep 2013 #263

NO FUCKING COMPROMISE! R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #268

Not no but HELL NO! No compromise with terrorists now or ever again. Fuck the deal and fuck Rowdyboy Sep 2013 #269

The president should... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #273

What is the "Accordable Care Act"? KamaAina Sep 2013 #274

Nope! It is time for Obama to grow some balls..... onecent Sep 2013 #276

Steve Carrell said it best: charlie and algernon Sep 2013 #277

Oh FFS... tallahasseedem Sep 2013 #278

No, he should not. highprincipleswork Sep 2013 #281

HELL NO! DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #282