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joshcryer

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33. This is about the ACA as much as it is hostage taking.

Mon Sep 30, 2013, 01:18 AM

Sep 2013

You'll remember they did this before. In the middle of a massive recession. Where billions were about to lose their unemployment. And guess what? Obama reupped the Bush tax cuts. We all hated it. But I understood why it was done. It was a raw deal. I still understood why it was done.

Now that things are looking better now and now that Obama has got some more experience under his belt (and no doubt the Iran/Syria wins lately has boosted his confidence from being the most torn down President in my lifetime), now it looks like he's about to flip off the idiots in Congress.

You made a sad OP invoking Godwin in the title, I remember it well. Basically you supported keeping ACA around but you "understood" those who had a "profound disappointment" that the ACA wasn't "struck down."

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If Democrats cave now, do you *really* think things will *ever* get better? [View all] MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 OP

I would be OK with dealing over the government shutdown dsc Sep 2013 #1

Sure, I don't think that's an existential threat Recursion Sep 2013 #4

Untrue. It isn't about "one side wants more spending, the other wants less". delrem Sep 2013 #20

+1 Enthusiast Sep 2013 #40

Eggzaklee! Scuba Sep 2013 #41

+1,000,000,000! lastlib Sep 2013 #71

+1 cui bono Sep 2013 #73

had it been Democrats creating aHomeland Security or TSA, they'd have screamed about the implication Old and In the Way Sep 2013 #108

Negotiation wouldn't be a problem but this is not negotiation. Kablooie Sep 2013 #13

And they will *never* be satisfied nxylas Sep 2013 #59

WTF are the Dems expected to negotiate on? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #63

GOP kardonb Sep 2013 #76

Time to play hard ball with the bastards! B Calm Sep 2013 #2

agree! yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #89

Often all you can do is make things get worse by as little as possible (nt) Recursion Sep 2013 #3

When you are driving directly toward a cliff quakerboy Sep 2013 #97

Have the Conservative Democrats stepped up and committed themselves rhett o rick Sep 2013 #5

In all fairness DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #6

That's a good point. This really should be something the liberals and the conservative Democrats rhett o rick Sep 2013 #8

If the Dems in power can't agree on this one, they aren't worth supporting delrem Sep 2013 #21

+8,749 Scuba Sep 2013 #42

Heretic! Heretic! R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #64

YES! YES! YES! DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #66

and we should not Chaco Dundee Sep 2013 #84

With you 100% Manny. 99Forever Sep 2013 #7

No , I don't Marrah_G Sep 2013 #9

If PBO and Democrats Cave mazzarro Sep 2013 #10

And in some candid interview a few years from now.... beerandjesus Sep 2013 #48

I don't want my Guv-Mint negotiatin' with terrorism, especially financial terrorism aka extortion nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #11

Obama didn't cave on Syria and he's not going to cave on this Hekate Sep 2013 #12

I agree. It's got to end and it should be now. n/t pnwmom Sep 2013 #14

By all means, let's set our our hair on fire before the fact. longship Sep 2013 #15

Updated post to clarify it's the real me nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #18

At some point you have to stand up to bullies. zeemike Sep 2013 #16

It's a Good Cop v. Bad Cop situation Manny. 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #17

If the Dems cave agent46 Sep 2013 #19

Remember this classic BBI thread? "Why the Supreme Court Should Kill ‘Obamacare’" joshcryer Sep 2013 #22

Um, are you saying that I said it *shouldn't* be upheld? MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #26

The context was how long until we got health care if it wasn't. joshcryer Sep 2013 #29

"most of the people"... "some believed"... "those people"... MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #31

This is about the ACA as much as it is hostage taking. joshcryer Sep 2013 #33

I'm proud of that post, reproduced below MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #47

It's Obamacare. ProSense Sep 2013 #60

Good catch. treestar Sep 2013 #80

Couldn't agree with you more, 1st Way Manny. jsr Sep 2013 #23

Like a clock. Rex Sep 2013 #24

Right. The Republicans are like the two-year-olds who refuse to eat healthy food JDPriestly Sep 2013 #25

My 13-year-old still does that MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #27

Wait until he is 23. He'll be a wonderful person. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #28

Might take until 30. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #55

Yep. That's about how long it took for mine. Nay Sep 2013 #78

I hear you. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #81

I've been witness to this for years ffr Sep 2013 #36

The DEM Party is a ruse to fool the little people into thinking they have a choice. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #30

There's an old saw - "The only reason the Democratic Party exists ... Scuba Sep 2013 #43

Bullshit. California is a prime example. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #90

I presume you're suggesting the old saw is bullshit, not my claim that it exists ... Scuba Sep 2013 #91

Of course I am aware of that "old saw." SunSeeker Sep 2013 #92

It's not the old saw that depresses votes ... Scuba Sep 2013 #94

It is not true. Period. nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #95

'Tis. Scuba Sep 2013 #98

"Tis" what? You just agreed the parties are not the same. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #99

'Tis true. Scuba Sep 2013 #101

Of course we need more than unity. But your "old saw" is bullshit. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #104

+1 liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #53

Do you really think Dems are the same as the GOP? nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #100

The party of Elizabeth Warren is not the same as the party of Louie Gohmert. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #87

Solidarity. nt Zorra Sep 2013 #32

I have utter confidence that the ACA will survive. BlueCheese Sep 2013 #34

Winner BrotherIvan Sep 2013 #39

My concern exactly. beerandjesus Sep 2013 #49

If he gives them anything they'll be back for more. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #56

He has. He just said that in his statement in the press room this afternoon. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #88

Excellent! truebluegreen Sep 2013 #93

I would hope that he would not bargain away SS either, through the deceptive chained CPI. The sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #74

But only if he wants something different than the Rs want BrotherIvan Sep 2013 #82

Screw the GOP. If holding the nation hostage works for them, they'll do it again and again. n/t Mister Ed Sep 2013 #35

Precisely. Their behavior must not be rewarded. jsr Sep 2013 #37

If the Dems cave, things will not get better. Jasana Sep 2013 #38

there's been nothing in recent history to think they won;t cave. KG Sep 2013 #44

Caving would be a strong message to all Americans, telling them .... Scuba Sep 2013 #45

I'm with you, Manny fadedrose Sep 2013 #46

The dems have been caving since Reagan poked fun at the word liberal. CrispyQ Sep 2013 #50

The whole centrist mantra of 'bipartisan orgy room politics' has always left me cold. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #51

+100 truebluegreen Sep 2013 #57

++ a million. nt Nay Sep 2013 #79

If the Dems or Obama give in, we'll never have the upper hand again! Frustratedlady Sep 2013 #52

It would not surprise me at all if the democrats took this deal. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #54

Things have gotten worse in this country for virtually every year I've been alive. Romulox Sep 2013 #58

Of course the media is doing it's part... ReRe Sep 2013 #61

Let's hope that the GOPiggies blink on this. If they don't it will indeed be painful for many. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #62

The thing that makes democrats wonderful - TBF Sep 2013 #65

Blackmailers never stop. Give in on this debt blackmail & get blackmailed on the next debt round. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #67

The "beginning of the end of this garbage" saidsimplesimon Sep 2013 #68

This showdown is the redline for not only the ACA, but also… Efilroft Sul Sep 2013 #69

Indeed n/t Oilwellian Sep 2013 #72

If they cave now, there is NO HOPE for this once-great nation. lastlib Sep 2013 #70

If. Ikonoklast Sep 2013 #75

Didn't. Bobbie Jo Oct 2013 #110

Tears From The Democrat Bashers. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #111

Isn't the problem that no one is willing to "capitulate" anymore? dkf Sep 2013 #77

No... Hubert Flottz Sep 2013 #83

Not going to happen. MirrorAshes Sep 2013 #85

EVER is a very very long time. I think within "ever" there could be better times. HereSince1628 Sep 2013 #86

Im just waiting for moderate Manny quakerboy Sep 2013 #96

One Word - Sequestration Nimyth Sep 2013 #102

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2013 #103

Thank You Nimyth Sep 2013 #105

You're welcome, hope you have a good time here. gopiscrap Sep 2013 #106

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #109

Caving in is what got us here. Bipartisanship requires movement by both parties... marble falls Sep 2013 #107