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jeff47

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105. Did Ike's speech fix anything?

Reply to Doctor_J (Reply #103)

Mon Sep 30, 2013, 10:27 PM

Sep 2013

Or has the situation gone even further?

You're putting massive value on the quote, but zero value on the effect.

Stop apologizing for the man. It's embarrassing to both of you

No, you're confusing that with your blind hatred.

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A whole lot of people will be hurt if the Dems don't give in to the Republican demands. [View all] Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 OP

Furthermore, ANY negotiation would just embolden the tblue37 Sep 2013 #1

Eggzackly. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #2

I lost a dear friend 2 years ago because she didn't have health insurance mountain grammy Sep 2013 #6

Maybe I channeled her. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #7

Ha, ha! Believe me, if she was in your head, you'd know it! mountain grammy Sep 2013 #12

Very sorry for your loss. MoonRiver Sep 2013 #30

That's it in a nutshell. There comes a time when you have to plant your feet and push back. Arkansas Granny Sep 2013 #3

I like to say that if you let the camel get his nose into the tent, tblue37 Sep 2013 #5

Guess what day it is?? tavernier Sep 2013 #11

It's Monday. Go home, Camel, you're drunk. ieoeja Sep 2013 #27

Ah, yes, camel snot. pangaia Sep 2013 #102

In all honesty, it was time for POTUS to plant feet & push back 2+ years ago. Myrina Sep 2013 #8

He didn't see the point in pushing back Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #19

Ssssh!! Myrina Sep 2013 #26

Sheesh-I forgot the down-staircase of events that can follow Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #34

ROFL Myrina Sep 2013 #36

Brilliant! Divernan Sep 2013 #37

I cannot abide Enthusiast Sep 2013 #66

Wisconsin Represent! RetroLounge Sep 2013 #92

heh. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #29

ITA JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #21

Yep. And they are only extending funding for a few months n2doc Sep 2013 #4

Yes. Good policy cannot come from today's Congress... Orsino Sep 2013 #9

Where is President Obama on all this? Octafish Sep 2013 #10

+1 He should consider the Syria reaction! leftstreet Sep 2013 #15

Why? jeff47 Sep 2013 #28

Why? Those who don't already understand won't listen. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #31

Where is President Obama on all this? IrishAyes Sep 2013 #43

thank you Schema Thing Sep 2013 #57

Sorry, I must not watch as much tee vee as I should. Octafish Sep 2013 #63

"My question was intended to help spark a presidential address to the nation." snooper2 Sep 2013 #68

President Obama is letting the pukes frame the debate, again. Octafish Sep 2013 #71

No he isn't, but I think you know that snooper2 Sep 2013 #72

How profound. Octafish Sep 2013 #73

You hardly need to own a tv in order to be aware of all the public relations IrishAyes Sep 2013 #78

Disingenuous? Like the time I promised to veto everything but single-payer? Octafish Sep 2013 #79

I agree with IrishAyes Isoldeblue Sep 2013 #82

Well, I posted originally at 10:15 this morning before the address was announced. Octafish Sep 2013 #85

Everything POSSIBLE has been done; if you want to carp about what remains, IrishAyes Sep 2013 #83

Too bad. So sad. Octafish Sep 2013 #86

Your putting your responsibilty of being Isoldeblue Sep 2013 #91

It's been five years. I don't have my hopes up for much change. Octafish Sep 2013 #94

History will prove you Isoldeblue Sep 2013 #96

Show where I am wrong and I will apologize for making a mistake. Otherwise, don't call me a liar. Octafish Sep 2013 #99

Show me where I posted something that was not true. Octafish Sep 2013 #97

So true! Isoldeblue Sep 2013 #88

I just got an email from him. Blanks Sep 2013 #51

He's letting the GOP put their foot in it and take the blame. Smart move, IMO. MADem Sep 2013 #54

Prez: Government Shutdown Won�t Stop Obamacare muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #62

Nothing comes of caving in to extortionists The Wizard Sep 2013 #70

Correct. Look at this poll LittleBlue Sep 2013 #64

Talking About Obamacare: Does Policy Debate Matter? Octafish Sep 2013 #74

He made the case. Happy now? Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #89

Expecting rich people in government to do what's right and good for the people??? L0oniX Sep 2013 #13

Blackmailers never stop. Give in on this debt blackmail & get blackmailed on the next debt round. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #14

Exactly. We have to hold firm. Shrike47 Sep 2013 #22

"You're going to shut down the government if you can't prevent ..... marble falls Sep 2013 #16

We are told that our President is an excellent speaker. Why can't he speak like this one? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #17

Because if he gave a speech, it would make the issue about him. jeff47 Sep 2013 #32

Did Ike's speech make the situation about him? Doctor_J Sep 2013 #103

Did Ike's speech fix anything? jeff47 Sep 2013 #105

President Obama speaks as well if not better. You're just not listening. IrishAyes Sep 2013 #45

These are not the 50's anymore erronis Sep 2013 #95

I'd rather the republican terrorists hold me hostage than be allowed to do further damage my country Zorra Sep 2013 #18

Nope - no negotiating with terrorists. Avalux Sep 2013 #20

Actually a lot of billionaires will be hurt. BlueStreak Sep 2013 #23

Indeed. Krugman's "Rebels Without a Clue" column in today's NYT makes that point precisely. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #25

Maybe, Harry Reid has been storing dry powder like a Sam Houston HereSince1628 Sep 2013 #24

That would be sweet. IrishAyes Sep 2013 #46

National Policy WovenGems Sep 2013 #33

Time to hammer back against the Far Right. They won't compromise. Run 'em down. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #35

Ladies and gentlemen, start your engines! IrishAyes Sep 2013 #47

You NEVER negotiate with people who think "What's mine is mine, but what's your's is negotiable". n/ ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #38

That's my dog's attitude about his treats & my ham sandwich. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #49

My basset's attitude, too. ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #55

We have got to stop giving the bully what he wants because it only encourages him to continue the jwirr Sep 2013 #39

Yes, and I hope there is no compromise on this one... But IrishAyes Sep 2013 #40

We must demand the GOP's unconditional surrender on this. backscatter712 Sep 2013 #41

The GOP is following the diaster capitalism playbook to the letter. greatlaurel Sep 2013 #42

You're singing to the choir as far as I'm concerned. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #50

Yep, this is a textbook example of creating a "crisis" to enact policies that everyone hates. arcane1 Sep 2013 #53

Like Businessweek said, "It's like a vaccination" fadedrose Sep 2013 #44

Agreed. K&R closeupready Sep 2013 #48

I predict.... kentuck Sep 2013 #52

Wouldn't surprise me. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #58

How we must react to republican threats. History............ wandy Sep 2013 #56

I'm surprised the Republicans haven't been using threats of guns.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #59

Wow, that brings an image to mind. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #61

The only question is if they'll have any ammo left by the time they get to DC.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #67

Well said, thank you! MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #60

I think it's a pre-ordained kabuki ruse. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #65

My problem with this OP is you framed it as the Dem's choice/responsibility. cui bono Sep 2013 #69

+1 SunSeeker Sep 2013 #75

Thank you. Cha Sep 2013 #81

+1. pacalo Sep 2013 #90

the republicans are holding the american public hostage until they get their demands. spanone Sep 2013 #76

We must look pretty stupid and weak to the rest of the world... glinda Sep 2013 #77

Seems to me like a first major fight between the haves Phlem Sep 2013 #80

And people need to understand that it is the GOP and ONLY the GOP Rex Sep 2013 #84

I will be furloughed (again) because of this shutdown. Drahthaardogs Sep 2013 #87

Maybe we should see a deal before we hate it? michigandem58 Sep 2013 #93

A deal from Republiscams? Phlem Sep 2013 #104

The DEMS will cave. The GOPee keeps them on a short leash. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #98

Well, let's hope not. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #100

bullshit. no one is going to die if they dont comprimise bowens43 Sep 2013 #101

I trust/have faith that President Obama will stand our ground against the Re/Teapuke thugs!! hue Oct 2013 #106

Let's hope so, anyway. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #107