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In reply to the discussion: Who more "progressive" do you want nominated, then explain just how he/she gets 270 electoral votes. [View all]TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)of short term small wins without any regard for the long term misery caused or any plausible exit strategy from a race to the bottom limited only by finding a bottom to TeaPubliKlan depravity, the avarice of the wealthy, the stomach of the powerful to behave lawlessly, and Mother Earth's capacity to take the hits.
There is no responsibility taken by the proponents of the establishment for the results of seeking to join the opposition rather than beating them, assimilating their failed policies, or legitimizing and reenforcing their wicked ideology. How many times can you legitimize, coddle, defend, legitimize, and assimilate the opposition and still be credible as opposition.
Adjust the target of your game theory to stopping the Republican ideology, you'll find we aren't doing so well since our "successes" are built on such.
"Winning is the starting point of a long, tough road, not the end by any stretch.
Call it terrorism, I call it imposing will to survive and grow as a people with what tools that are available rather than the ones I wish I had or that those benefiting from or comfortable in a rigged game say are appropriate.
Especially, when can draw on memory of what they did and how they did it.
I have no issue with borrowing succesful tactics and have heard all of the excuses and self defeating platitudes before, right out of my own little toady, myopic, corraled, and hand to mouth mentality driven lips.
I'm good with giving the Turd Way an option between legislating to benefit the people instead of the multinationals, the MIC, the extraction industry, the insurance cartel, and the predator class in the financial sector or they can kick rocks and throw in fully with the TeaPubliKlans.
I see a dedication to a toxic ideology that is built on Reagan Republicanism but without the focus on the churchy horseshit (though not abandoned but measurable reduced) and with enough connection to reason to know that at least the idea of saftey nets can be valuable in keeping folks off the barricades and can make a tide piece of change for industry disquised as doing what is popular to win.
I think the long term interest of the people may be helped considerably by lifting this fog. We are being herded and we cannot be a free people being driven by a few for their own designs and profit.
I'm not much of a third party guy, I have not intention of ceding the infrastucture, brand reconition, automatic spots on ballots, history of accomplishment, and emotional devotees that are dedicated automatic votes to ideological intelopers. It is nothing but a clear choice presented.
Some folks point to the election and say their are only two choices, others can take the policy to black and white stark terms as well. I don't give a rat's ass who the candidate is or their race, religion (or lack of such), education, personal narrative, what their family is like or if they have one, orientation, sexual habits, personal habits, or gender.
Pick whatever package you like but it should be clear that certain contents will never make it to the game again win, lose, or draw and if they somehow sneak in there the consequences will suspend the game and push it to the point of breaking.
People going non-voter adds to the fog and token votes allow for the idea that a similar percentage can be mined from the "center" by becoming a bit more like the opposition. Hell, the actual game being played isn't really even that but much closer to being as close to the opposition as possible and maintain enough constituencies to win that are a distinct fundraising base that still emotionally feels the opposition is opposition rather than something more like competitive cooperation, like the NFL or the NBA, they are in league all one distinct entity working for a common purpose that uses the competion as a means to the common purposes profit, indvidual enhancement, and marketshare for the entity.
By the by, I wonder if this push on terrorism is in part to set up an atmosphere where one cannot say no to bad rubbish without "holding people hostage" or "throwing away lives with your own" and all the other poor me backwash of the sort. Especially, from those that live by just such tactics to forge an arguably false and obviously testy consensus.
I figure if there is to be a a testy and forced consensus in any event then it might as well be one that bends toward reducing economic disparity, equality, the strengthing of civil liberties, protecting our environment, away from corporate power and capture of our government, toward dismantling the police state, and redirecting resources from the military industrial complex.
Somebody is going to feel coerced and screwed over, let it be those that have another outlet for their failed and borrowed ideology.
Accept beneficial policy for the people and for the advancement of the concept of justice or get the religilous to lighten up, get the bigots under control, and sell the minimal social programs as pro-growth and stability for commerce that is more effective than imposed order to allow safe commerce, as you know they are.
I do appreciate the illustration that "terrorisim" is very much in the eye of the audience and how much relative power has in the context of a given system to dictate rules to their advantage in driving that narrative, though.
We have responded poorly because we assumed and cultivated a privileged position while being driven by fear and this is similar logic.
To b supposedly or genuinely afraid of the opposition that we accept executing their broad agenda under better management is a loss on my board, management is a backburner issue and arguable better execution of horrible policy is more dangerous than doing a bad thing poorly.
I honestly don't care what you call it or how it makes some folks feel, there is never much crying as the few exploit and extract as long as the right face is on it with palatble excuses and rhetoric tuned to the audience.