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Chan790

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51. Complacent?

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 12:06 PM

Oct 2013

I actively worked to primary those assholes out and push-campaign them out of being blue-dogs in the GE under the threat of losing.

Losing as a Blue Dog and maintaining their big business/shadow-RW ties to a payday once out of office was more important than winning by vowing to be more progressive in the name of party unity. They deserved to lose. They lost. Fuck them, they're party cancer. They got irradiated. The party is stronger and more unified without them. When the Democratic party ascends back to controlling both chambers of Congress and the Presidency, it will be as a party more in-line with Progressive values and cancer-free.

I've always known this was a way-stop on the path to saving the Democratic party from becoming a center-right party chasing an every more rightward appeal. I'm sorry you didn't, I thought it was obvious there was going to be some pain along the way as we purged the corporatist conservative blight from our midst.

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You know those Blue Dog democrats everyone hated? [View all] pnwmom Oct 2013 OP

They didn't lose because we hated them, so the cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #1

Some of us rejoiced in their defeat, and some of us think we should be following pnwmom Oct 2013 #7

Agreed. Some among us won't stand for a BlueDogDem in a Red State (the only kind that would win) BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #32

Me--here in PA. The only Democrats we elect here in Pennsyltucky are Blue Dogs. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #60

You mean like Chaka Fatah? Demoiselle Oct 2013 #195

Honey...Pennsyltucky doesn't include Philly or Pittsburgh..remember what Carville said? nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #200

Pennsyltucky is not quite all of Pennsylvania. Demoiselle Oct 2013 #207

I love your Congressman. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #201

I love him too. Good guy, classy and smart. Demoiselle Oct 2013 #206

Glad to have him. Would he be able to win outside the district that elected him? Hekate Oct 2013 #210

His district includes chunks of both the city and its Western suburbs. Demoiselle Oct 2013 #216

While wondering what planet people are on... cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #77

The lie? Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #89

Hmmmm... so you deduce "left" from ethnicity? cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #95

Black/left - same diff Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #114

Ummm.... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #117

African American voters are undeniably far more likely to vote Democratic. pnwmom Oct 2013 #126

Was it African Americans who primaried Blue Dogs? Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #137

No. But they didn't help them stay in office. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #145

Doesn't matter, this is to keep the shit stirred. Rex Oct 2013 #154

Our own version? progressoid Oct 2013 #69

I love the Liberal = Bad meme LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #107

When you are weak and have no honest debate points Rex Oct 2013 #148

Why are you still telling this lie? LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #187

Harry Truman was right hootinholler Oct 2013 #37

Exactly. hobbit709 Oct 2013 #48

Nailed It! bvar22 Oct 2013 #57

+1. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #88

Yup. Thread over. Maven Oct 2013 #82

Woohoo! brush Oct 2013 #205

Except that quote doesn't account for the fact that in modern times mythology Oct 2013 #214

Well we needed our daily liberal bashing thread Rex Oct 2013 #147

Yes it does. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #162

In other words, capitulating to the right, again and again, didn't save their careers? villager Oct 2013 #2

And you don't see the treestar Oct 2013 #10

Unless you're replying to the OP... villager Oct 2013 #27

Well now we don't have to "capitulate" to the right at all treestar Oct 2013 #61

Well, they control it more. When Dems vote like Republicans, they still control it. villager Oct 2013 #65

Now you're just being stubborn treestar Oct 2013 #68

My point is, when the country moves inexorably to the right, it's still moving inexorably villager Oct 2013 #73

Moving "inexorably" to the right? From what starting point? onenote Oct 2013 #78

+1 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2013 #118

Apparently, that poster doesn't. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #33

Strawmen much? villager Oct 2013 #49

Tea Partier is an even MORE losing strategy treestar Oct 2013 #64

Yes, capitulating to the right hasn't saved us from... the right. villager Oct 2013 #67

How do you define "capitulating to the right"? BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #86

You've switched from apples to oranges, now villager Oct 2013 #91

^ pearls reddread Oct 2013 #189

Having Democrats who vote against Democrats 30% of the time is a BIG problem. nt laundry_queen Oct 2013 #254

But having Teapublicans vote against Democrats 98% is a much bigger problem, yes? BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #261

I don't agree with your premise. laundry_queen Oct 2013 #265

And I don't agree with your premise. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #267

mine's already been proven laundry_queen Oct 2013 #269

So has mine. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #270

So you think. nt laundry_queen Oct 2013 #272

Nah. It's a given fact. eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #273

So, you think the Democrats in Congress right now should Jamastiene Oct 2013 #220

Blue Doggery is NOT a losing strategy..... for conservatives. bvar22 Oct 2013 #136

Yes. The Rightwing ultimately wins, either way. villager Oct 2013 #140

+1 frylock Oct 2013 #11

+1 Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #25

So true. The push to change the Dem Party into a milder version sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #38

+1 villager Oct 2013 #50

Yup. progressoid Oct 2013 #72

SHOCKER! Maven Oct 2013 #85

Except when it's the "gays" Jamastiene Oct 2013 #221

Oh, so you'd think they'd be on our side in this critical moment?? Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #3

This critical moment wouldn't be happening at all if we'd retained the majority in the House. pnwmom Oct 2013 #12

There's a reason why most 'republican-lite' -dems Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #23

Which is why we should be supporting every Dem in a tough election pnwmom Oct 2013 #29

Bingo. eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #34

I've voted for the blue dogs here in Va. every time... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #41

That's great. But not everyone did what you did. pnwmom Oct 2013 #153

Oregon turnout in 2010 was record setting. No Blue Dogs to keep Democrats away. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #208

The OP has to keep changing the theory Rex Oct 2013 #212

I've got a Blue Dog Kurt Schrader after redistricting. Went from Blumenauer's district (awesome!) to neverforget Oct 2013 #230

+10000!!!! Walk away Oct 2013 #149

Then blame the Blue Dogs who lost the critical Independent vote sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #43

When liberals lose, their politics are the problem. When Blue Dogs lose, liberals are the problem. Marr Oct 2013 #196

Yes, a lot of people are wondering, A LOT about these constant attacks on Liberals sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #198

Of course treestar Oct 2013 #14

The one-term blue dog in my district voted against it... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #19

But because the House was under Speaker Pelosi, ObamaCare was able to proceed BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #39

It still passed THAT house treestar Oct 2013 #59

How can they help us if they "get replaced?" immoderate Oct 2013 #4

That was my point. A blue dog might not provide pnwmom Oct 2013 #79

So why don't they get elected? immoderate Oct 2013 #97

Unfortunately, a lot of Dems stayed home in 2010 pnwmom Oct 2013 #102

Are you undermining your thesis here? Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #106

Not at all. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #127

the liberal Dems did not stay home mitchtv Oct 2013 #125

A significant number of African American and younger voters pnwmom Oct 2013 #128

You are undermining your thesis Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #133

sounds like what I called part time voters mitchtv Oct 2013 #176

Which undermines your thesis. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #251

What happened is a DINO got replaced with a real Republican. Cleita Oct 2013 #5

+1 leftstreet Oct 2013 #9

And that meant Pelosi got replaced with Boehner. Majorities matter, pnwmom Oct 2013 #13

We'll see in the next election. I'm predicting all the Tea Party will be Cleita Oct 2013 #24

My blue dog backed Shuler. Chan790 Oct 2013 #35

she knew how to standup for us, didnt she? reddread Oct 2013 #190

You're still flailing about. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #252

Exactly! n/t sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #46

Name some far left members of Congress creeksneakers2 Oct 2013 #236

Name some candidates who ran or were on the ballot. Cleita Oct 2013 #240

Do you think no far lefties ran in any red districts? creeksneakers2 Oct 2013 #242

Yes treestar Oct 2013 #6

I remember well handmade34 Oct 2013 #8

It was a dark day, indeed. eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #42

That whole "stay home in 2010 to punish Obama" idiocy CakeGrrl Oct 2013 #15

I never heard of the "stay home to punish Obama plan" Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #21

Ed Schultz has propagated it on his radio show and his week-day television show. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #47

Some people say that's not true Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #92

The problem with those stats is, for example, I consider myself a Liberal. But many here on DU BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #130

What a bunch of gobbedly gook you just threw up there Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #135

I'm sorry you choose to be so unreasonable. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #234

I didn't make that mistake about you Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #246

Which means what I wrote in my previous post to which you responded BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #263

A train leaves Chicago traveling 48mph Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #264

If you have to revert to epithets such as "ultra-left" you really aren't that much of a liberal... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #247

I'm sorry my opinion offended you. I guess the shoe fit, eh? eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #262

There was no offense taken, and I hope that you are less wrong in the future. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #266

Of course there wasn't. eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #268

Great piece. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #163

+1000 Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #45

What is the 'stay home to punish Obama idiocy'?? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #56

Because ideologically it's a useful weapon to use against us Hydra Oct 2013 #98

I want to know who these people are here who are constantly sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #101

It's all message control Hydra Oct 2013 #104

I'm just saying... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #108

If Dems had not come out we would have lost the Senate and sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #111

That was a fantasy AgingAmerican Oct 2013 #70

Stop pushing that stupid falsehood. Union Scribe Oct 2013 #80

Is that what you did in your State? In Oregon in 2010 we had record breaking turnout Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #99

"Moderates" are the ones who stayed home. Look in the mirror and stop Marr Oct 2013 #197

The ones who routinely sided with the repubs Cerridwen Oct 2013 #16

FUCK NADER Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #17

I don't know - it's like being asked if you want to be hung or hedgehog Oct 2013 #18

Maybe if we would have run a real Democrat, instead of an imitation one, we would not have lost RC Oct 2013 #20

Hear hear! PeteSelman Oct 2013 #54

It's a delusion to think we can run a "real progressive" pnwmom Oct 2013 #81

A Centralest Democrat is not a DLC'er, DINO or whatever. RC Oct 2013 #105

Well, you got YOUR way with that theory and people DID vote for Blue Dogs. Now sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #180

No, in 2010 not enough Dems went to the polls. That's why we lost. pnwmom Oct 2013 #183

That is absolutely false no matter how many times you say it. Independents sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #186

Wow. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #22

Screaming subtext: it's the fault of progressives that government got shut down. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2013 #26

No it's the fault of the tea party nuts who were elected pnwmom Oct 2013 #31

The Dems showed up Hydra Oct 2013 #36

Complacent? Chan790 Oct 2013 #51

Still sticking with that lie against all evidence, huh? LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #112

+1 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2013 #121

You've been corrected on that point about a thousand times, so I can only conclude that Marr Oct 2013 #250

The Blue Dogs have themselves to blame is they couldn't defeat "crazy." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #253

Which is akin to blaming Jane Fonda for losing in Vietnam. Orsino Oct 2013 #40

That is always the screaming subtext of the self-styled, right-leaning "pragmatists." villager Oct 2013 #52

Disgustipated for the win Myrina Oct 2013 #53

+1 progressoid Oct 2013 #76

Thank you. n/t onyourleft Oct 2013 #84

Tea partiers were elected through underhanded redistricting. Avalux Oct 2013 #28

+1. Well said. n/t FSogol Oct 2013 #30

Yep Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #44

Yep. They will. Due to the major state wins in 2010, districts have been gerrymandered BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #55

Well, they can't since Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #179

Yes, they probably will be LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #113

Blue dogs lost because they are piss poor capitulating candidates. morningfog Oct 2013 #58

Earth to OP: Dems lost the House in large part because of disillusionment at HCR and leveymg Oct 2013 #62

So how did the 9 Blue Dogs that voted with the Republicans yesterday help us control the House? stranger81 Oct 2013 #63

Oh, that's going to leave a mark Hydra Oct 2013 #100

But, but, but we have to support them. They're Democrats...even whe they side with Republicans. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #103

Yeah, the OP's premise of "don't-you-wish-you-still-had-the-blue-dogs" Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #185

But they also put the gavel in someone else hands Egnever Oct 2013 #142

Great point. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #157

YOu won't get an answer from the OP. Rex Oct 2013 #159

Because they didn't vote for Boehner for speaker Recursion Oct 2013 #248

The blue dogs got themselves voted out AgingAmerican Oct 2013 #66

How many blue dog incumbents lost to tea party people? NCTraveler Oct 2013 #71

Stats!? In a flamebait OP!? villager Oct 2013 #74

My blue dog just voted WITH the repubs n2doc Oct 2013 #75

^ THIS! Union Scribe Oct 2013 #83

So how was it the great outpouring of progressives in your district didn't rise up and primary him onenote Oct 2013 #87

Because our great and wise state Democratic party doesn't give a crap about anyone outside ATL n2doc Oct 2013 #90

And that's the way it is almost every place. Greedy, conservative cliques that guard the gates. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #167

+1 They need to take responsibility for what they claim happened. treestar Oct 2013 #255

Of course I'm glad we purged most of the fakes out B Calm Oct 2013 #93

Did your Blue dog vote for Pelosi for speaker or Boehner? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2013 #123

A Conservative is still a Conservative. Hayabusa Oct 2013 #94

Wrong. Those Blue Dogs were replaced because they acted like Republicans. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #96

So the shutdown is the fault of people who hated blue dogs? SomethingFishy Oct 2013 #109

No. Those who voted against them bear most of the blame. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #116

Yeah well there was an election in 2012 too.. this OP is just one more today SomethingFishy Oct 2013 #119

I'm not bashing Democrats, f*cking or otherwise. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #124

Whatever. SomethingFishy Oct 2013 #131

I'm sorry you see it that way. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #134

Of course you are right, the very people in this thread Rex Oct 2013 #141

You don't get it. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #150

Blue Dogs? Try Tea Dogs. 9 of them vote with the Republicans yesterday did they not? Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #110

I thought my rep was Dem Raul Ruiz mitchtv Oct 2013 #143

You know why. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #146

You miss the point Egnever Oct 2013 #155

Many Blue Dogs voted against her as Speaker previously, so too many of them and you get Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #199

what a bunch of crap Egnever Oct 2013 #244

The Speaker comes from the majority Party sure but that does not mean every member of Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #277

LOL more crap Egnever Oct 2013 #278

Thank you Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2013 #115

The remaining Blue Dog from my state voted with the Republicans. mmonk Oct 2013 #120

Good point. I guess ecstatic Oct 2013 #129

Because he also would have voted for pelosi to be speaker Egnever Oct 2013 #158

You don't know that. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #161

This will fall on deaf ears ecstatic Oct 2013 #122

If you want a republican, vote for the real thing. B Calm Oct 2013 #139

If you dont want republican legislation Egnever Oct 2013 #160

Whoosh B Calm Oct 2013 #192

I remember several saying they'd rather see a Repub win then Stupak re-elected Kaleva Oct 2013 #132

I can spin a story out of whole cloth too, nice try but fail. Rex Oct 2013 #138

It's always the liberals fault isn't it? ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #144

Foxnews blames the Democratic Party. Rex Oct 2013 #151

Word. This country is turning into a clown show. nt adirondacker Oct 2013 #164

And Congess hosts the biggest number of clowns. Rex Oct 2013 #165

Fox News NEVER blames the Democratic Party. They blame the Democrat Party. :) valerief Oct 2013 #239

Just like Florida 2000. Moses2SandyKoufax Oct 2013 #191

It's always either the liberals' fault, the gays' fault, Jamastiene Oct 2013 #217

Thank You! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #152

Blud dog Democrats gave the majoirty to Democrats so Democrats could set the agenda. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #156

Maybe, if they tried appealing to the left instead of the right, they'd have been elected. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #166

A blue dog Dem wouldn't get elected in a conservative red community pnwmom Oct 2013 #169

Oh, well. If appealing to the left or right doesn't work, what does? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #172

Appealing to centrists or moderates can work in a conservative district. pnwmom Oct 2013 #173

Apparently, that didn't work either. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #178

I think a better solution is for the party to offer even more financial pnwmom Oct 2013 #181

And there you have it. A Blue Dog Democrat who votes with MineralMan Oct 2013 #168

A SHIT LOAD of "blue dogs" voted AGAINST the ACA in the first place! bullwinkle428 Oct 2013 #170

That wouldn't matter a bit now. Nancy Pelosi would be in charge, pnwmom Oct 2013 #171

Still sticking with the lie the liberals didn't come out to vote in 2010? LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #175

Not only that, but they took universal healthcare off the table as well. If they had been real Zorra Oct 2013 #182

Most of them Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #174

All I know is that some here hate the Left with the exact same passion Rex Oct 2013 #177

Fuck the blue dogs... polichick Oct 2013 #184

Enough already... Blue Idaho Oct 2013 #188

+1 B Calm Oct 2013 #193

As if they wouldn't line up with the Republicans. Marr Oct 2013 #194

Reminds me of this-- Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #202

They were DINOs . . . brush Oct 2013 #203

Incumbent republicans also lost seats to tea party crazies. The biggest problem facing us is lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #204

You know I'm with you all the way on that, pnwmom Hekate Oct 2013 #209

I still hate them. hobbit709 Oct 2013 #211

They would vote with the Republicans most of the time, including now. Jamastiene Oct 2013 #213

This post is dominated by individuals spouting a convenient meme. OilemFirchen Oct 2013 #215

And liberal Dennis Kucinich lost in Ohio then, too, right? pnwmom Oct 2013 #219

Clearly, if Kucinich had listed more to the left OilemFirchen Oct 2013 #222

When a Republican runs against a Republican, the Republican wins every time Taverner Oct 2013 #218

Read it the first seventeen times. OilemFirchen Oct 2013 #224

Meh, maybe it was 18 times because it is, you know, correct? Taverner Oct 2013 #226

So Ted Strickland lost to John Kasich OilemFirchen Oct 2013 #228

I never really thought Strickland was really blue dog Taverner Oct 2013 #229

Pretty sure that was my point. OilemFirchen Oct 2013 #231

No I am just happy the blue dogs went away Taverner Oct 2013 #243

You said "Blue Dog dem helping us." Maedhros Oct 2013 #223

^^This^^ Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #232

it's way better, thank you stillcool Oct 2013 #225

Its way better having a GOP House Daniel537 Oct 2013 #279

Still hatein' the SOBs Va Lefty Oct 2013 #227

Actually... Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #233

That's pretty good Va Lefty Oct 2013 #241

Comedy MFrohike Oct 2013 #235

Our country is healthier with more Democrats of any type in office IronLionZion Oct 2013 #237

Blue dog Dem = DINO. What good are they? nt valerief Oct 2013 #238

Well, again, as the OP points out, they don't vote for John Boehner to be speaker Recursion Oct 2013 #249

In the last weeks, several 'Blue Dogs' or conservative Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #274

I didn't say "with the caucus" I said "for the caucus" Recursion Oct 2013 #275

Well, we vote for Democrats to begin with OmahaBlueDog Oct 2013 #256

DU rec...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #245

Boy do I miss Joe Lieberman and all of his supporters both here on DU, and abroad. adirondacker Oct 2013 #257

The Joe Lieberman Wing of the Democratic Party is alive and well here on DU, bvar22 Oct 2013 #258

You'd think they would embed a picture for identification purposes... adirondacker Oct 2013 #260

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #259

Those guys were annoying, but at least they didn't threaten to burn the government down if they Arkana Oct 2013 #271

Are you kidding me. They would have thrown in with the teahadists 10 times by now. lonestarnot Oct 2013 #276

Oh really? So they would have voted John Boehner for Speaker? Daniel537 Oct 2013 #280