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2naSalit

(102,693 posts)
42. Both.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:12 PM
Oct 2013

It seems that whenever a chance for anarchy in the woods ensues, all who can will take advantage of it.

Obviously closures of the public lands will be more effective at chokepoints. These are more common in national parks and national wildlife refuges than national forests or BLM administered lands. National park and forest closures will have economic consequences to nearby communities. In addition to closures, the public employees will not be paid. While some proponents of a shutdown have dismissed this as “no big deal if the Washington Monument is closed,” many understand that the public lands are a substantial portion of the Western United States.

In addition to closures to the public, permits for various public land activities will not be issued during the shutdown. For example, the Bureau of Land Management will not be able to process new oil and gas permits.

Here is the complete introduction to the BLM’s shutdown rules. The rules for other agencies might be found on-line.

General: In the event that Congress is unable to enact appropriations for FY 2014 or a continuing resolution, essentially all activities of the BLM will be halted with the exception of law enforcement and emergency response functions. Without appropriated funds, there is no authority to incur obligations, including obligations for salaries, except in situations involving orderly shutdown of the bureau or to protect life and property. In the event that a shutdown
occurs, the Department will notify bureaus to begin an orderly shutdown of unfunded functions. This will require the furlough of a majority of BLM employees. Voluntary services from employees will not be accepted. (emphasis ours)

The last government shutdown took place Nov. 14-19, 1995 and Dec. 16-Jan. 6, 1996. It was President Clinton versus the Republican congress. Eventually the President won after public opinion turned on the Republicans, especially Republican Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.

It is an open question how much anarchy will prevail on the public lands. During the 1995-6 shutdown, the Western Watersheds Project has learned that in some areas cattle operators immediately turned their livestock out on public lands for an illegal helping of public forage.


http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2013/09/30/shutdown-public-lands/

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With an extended shutdown I think my dad would be effected - TBF Oct 2013 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #2
I'm sure he'll get his checks this month - TBF Oct 2013 #3
This month yes, they already went out nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #62
I thought Soc. Sec. payments came on a Wed. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #39
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #40
USA today has a good chart about what is affected. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #6
It does not affect most Americans personally because this is not a real shut down question everything Oct 2013 #4
WIC and other programs are taking a hit. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #7
Not a family member, but a friend's husband is now working without pay Marrah_G Oct 2013 #5
It's so wrong that people have to work without pay, when Congress gets paid. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #9
He shouldn't be working if he is furloughed madville Oct 2013 #11
Two categories: Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #13
The essential workers will get paid madville Oct 2013 #15
I'm sorry you are being furloughed, madville. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #21
That is not what his work is being told. Marrah_G Oct 2013 #22
He works doing cargo inspections. Marrah_G Oct 2013 #18
He will get paid then madville Oct 2013 #25
I hope you are right Marrah_G Oct 2013 #26
I have just read that workers actually might get retroactive pay dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #43
Hardly likely to affect me materially dipsydoodle Oct 2013 #8
other, it effects the economy of our entire state G_j Oct 2013 #10
I hear that, Yosemite is closed today on its 150th anniversary. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #12
4 & 6 Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #14
Sorry about that, Ohio Joe Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #17
Can't chose one option -- family members in all three categories. Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #16
That sucks, Gormy. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #19
People who try to minimize the effect clearly have no idea how far-reaching it is. Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #23
That's very very true. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #24
I refilled all my prescriptions with the VA 3 weeks ago. hobbit709 Oct 2013 #20
Folks are saying the VA hositals and benefits are ok - TBF Oct 2013 #55
"This shutdown does not affect me much materially." yesphan Oct 2013 #27
I admit that one was kind of sarcastic. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #28
I agree.... NM_Birder Oct 2013 #29
Down stream is how I think of it too. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #30
It's affecting people I know and it's tearing their lives apart. freshwest Oct 2013 #81
I have friends who are federal employees. BlueCheese Oct 2013 #31
My job has hella federal contracts XemaSab Oct 2013 #32
The SEC is shut down Gothmog Oct 2013 #33
Wow, yikes. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #34
This can be serious Gothmog Oct 2013 #44
Thank you, I'm learning a lot from DUers today. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #47
I was wrong Gothmog Oct 2013 #83
I was concerned about the Stock Market, but it is doing ok. MoonRiver Oct 2013 #35
It is enraging. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #36
No option for me to check on this poll 2naSalit Oct 2013 #37
Thank you for checking in. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #38
Both. 2naSalit Oct 2013 #42
You have to wonder how many of those taking a bigger helping of a public resource Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #45
You're quite welcome 2naSalit Oct 2013 #49
I'm hoping we have a sea change and get mobilized in 2014 over this Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #52
I'm hoping for 2naSalit Oct 2013 #56
I like your dream too! Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #58
Shut Down does not impact me personally Liberalynn Oct 2013 #41
My company has already been affected. Dawgs Oct 2013 #46
I'm very sorry to hear that, Dawgs. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #48
Thanks. Dawgs Oct 2013 #50
I'm not affected much personally unless this starts impacting social security payouts. Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #51
That makes sense, though I had no idea it was that high. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #53
The fact that we have so many federal employees here Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #77
I work in a business where we have to get label approval from the government. BeeBee Oct 2013 #54
BeeBee, that sucks. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #57
Luckily I only have one label pending that's not urgent right now. Luckily, BeeBee Oct 2013 #66
I live in a state whose economy will tank bigtime if this goes on... TygrBright Oct 2013 #59
Other: I am disturbed that ignorant, malicious fascist terrorists have the capability to shut down Zorra Oct 2013 #60
Thank you, Zorra! I wish I could rec your reply post. n/t TygrBright Oct 2013 #63
I agree with Tygr. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #65
Other nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #61
That is very scary nadin. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #69
I know my mom will give her a hand nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #74
Even with the ProSense Oct 2013 #64
It has not affected any in my family yet tortie Oct 2013 #67
Thanks for the link to the poll! Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #68
The small business I work for did some contract work SalviaBlue Oct 2013 #70
Oh no SalviaBlue! Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #71
He can cover it until he gets paid, so no real damage at this point. SalviaBlue Oct 2013 #72
I have a Republican dad. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #75
It doesn't affect me - other than in that it harms many of my clients financially, and that has kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #73
This will impact almost everyone, to one extent or another.... YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #76
so far it does not affect me but I feel very bad for those it does nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #78
+1 Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #80
"Pass," for now. johnp3907 Oct 2013 #79
Unsure sakabatou Oct 2013 #82
Depends on the market place. B Calm Oct 2013 #84
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