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130. I'm not BLAMING the driver. Maybe you missed my saying possibly he'd never been in that situation.

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 11:51 PM

Oct 2013

I'm 52 and have been riding motorcycles on and off road since I was 10. My current ride is a Road King. Before that I rode a Ninja. The Road King (purchased new) has almost 25k miles on it and the Ninja (also purchased new) had almost 40k when I got off of it. Almost all of those miles in So. Cal. So I'm familiar with riding in traffic. I've never been on the pavement. No road rash here. Not once. I guess I know defensive riding.

The rider on the left front bumper put the RR driver in the situation where he rear-ended the bike, and the rider did it on purpose. That much is evident. And I know why he did it. He did it because of a PUNK'S notion that the RR driver should have given the group immediate right of way. In that situation, there's only ONE way to avoid a confrontation that at the very least gets you a broken mirror if you're in a four-wheeled vehicle, and that's to simply slow down and pull over. I've seen people leave that situation with broken mirrors, broken side windows, and broken windshields for not doing as much. The punks see anything less as an affront to their perceived dominant place on the road. They're LOOKING for trouble. Why give it to them?

As you say, it might not be your JOB to yield to anyone... but there are times when it's the PRUDENT thing to do, and this would have been one of those times. It's called being AWARE OF THE SITUATION you're in.

That doesn't mean I'm blaming the RR driver. Ignorance is not stupidity, it's lack of knowledge.

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Update on the bikers who terrorized a New York City Family. [View all] Dawson Leery Oct 2013 OP

This made me want to puke: Wait Wut Oct 2013 #1

Thugs such as this serve no purpose. Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #3

FWIW, I've seen countless kids become fucked-up adults even with excellent parenting... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #9

Yeah, it is Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #48

If Lien had had an automatic assault weapon and sprayed the entire group, would he have been kelliekat44 Oct 2013 #69

If it were an automatic rifle Jenoch Oct 2013 #93

These bikers are clearly a bunch of hooning idiots Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #8

It isn't harsh. Wait Wut Oct 2013 #15

They are very lucky none of them was shot and killed. n/t MicaelS Oct 2013 #25

And just how many would he have gotten before being killed himself?? Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #28

What if the NYPD had been doing the shooting? MicaelS Oct 2013 #29

somebody would be dead in that case G_j Oct 2013 #146

A sad fact but often true... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2013 #224

well probuably if he had shot five or six of them the rest would have run away loli phabay Oct 2013 #187

That also assumes none of the others would be armed... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #244

or that the shots would not have hit some other innocent person JI7 Oct 2013 #260

better to hope they are not going to beat you and mayby rape your wife then loli phabay Oct 2013 #266

no, he should have ran them over as he did , the gun nut thing is mostly fantasy JI7 Oct 2013 #267

and yet when he was stuck later in traffic they dragged him out and beat him loli phabay Oct 2013 #269

if he had a gun there is more chance his daughter would have ended up killing herself or someone JI7 Oct 2013 #271

yeah cause his daughter would have grabbed his gun and shot herself loli phabay Oct 2013 #272

happens a lot more than the fantasy about gun nut heroes JI7 Oct 2013 #273

nope. loli phabay Oct 2013 #274

gun nuts always see things and think about how they would have been the hero with their guns JI7 Oct 2013 #275

lol, or people who are trained and have experience look at it and use it as a what if loli phabay Oct 2013 #276

it is gun nuttery to always view things that happen and think about how they would have been the her JI7 Oct 2013 #279

yeah its better to get beaten and slashed and mayby your family attacked loli phabay Oct 2013 #265

If there's one situation where I don't want to invite return fire NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #300

depends on whether those thirty people are determined to harm you and your family loli phabay Oct 2013 #333

I don't know if I'd be willing to bet NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #341

he did good until the bit were he was dragged out and beaten and cut loli phabay Oct 2013 #343

no, he came out ahead, so he did good period NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #344

sorry getting beaten and cut is not coming out ahead, the guys that did it only loli phabay Oct 2013 #348

you do realize NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #349

yeah but makes no difference to the driver he was still beaten and cut loli phabay Oct 2013 #350

try to do better than blatant strawmen NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #351

well thats you i would rather not have been beaten but thats me. loli phabay Oct 2013 #353

another strawman nt NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #354

lol nope, loli phabay Oct 2013 #355

No choice RedFury Oct 2013 #370

In this... RedFury Oct 2013 #368

yeah cause they are going to rush you in the face of gunfire loli phabay Oct 2013 #369

Not a GLOCK!!!! They might if it is in a caliber that starts with a 4. oneshooter Oct 2013 #376

well both my principal and my backup are .40 and i use the old hydroshock. lol loli phabay Oct 2013 #378

My prefrence is a SIG220, 45 w/230gr JHP. oneshooter Oct 2013 #379

It happened in New York. In Texas, shots would have been fired. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #140

Correct.... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #142

I disagree. In Texas, the bikers would have been armed too and we would have had a shootout stevenleser Oct 2013 #340

and very likely the 2 year old or her mother would have been killed also JI7 Oct 2013 #352

Except that stuff like that doesn't happen down here. N/T GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #361

Doesn't work that way in real life, only in the movies. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #360

A quick search on texas and shootout between groups yields a lot of hits. stevenleser Oct 2013 #362

Multiple hits from only two incidents listed. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #363

There are 82 million hits on scores of pages. First few pages are of those two incidents stevenleser Oct 2013 #364

Here is page 11: GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #365

Sorry, but those weren't "bikers", they were punks on crotch-rockets, Enduros & 4-wheelers.... Ghost in the Machine Oct 2013 #52

You hit the nail on the head ChazII Oct 2013 #110

great song G_j Oct 2013 #162

Just call them "hoonigans" Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #212

would be funny to see a confrontation between the NJ punks and a large group of real bikers Supersedeas Oct 2013 #304

Look at this YouTube uploaded by this kid... NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #89

Apparently, there were a lot of other videos... Wait Wut Oct 2013 #214

Meezee would have pulled that video, too... NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #218

Doesn't look like the same guy... TeeYiYi Oct 2013 #306

Hmmmmm. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #309

Yeah, I'm just not sure... TeeYiYi Oct 2013 #312

For his own maybe RedFury Oct 2013 #371

it isn't the same guy TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #345

Good grief! mnmoderatedem Oct 2013 #206

No kidding. Wait Wut Oct 2013 #213

I don't understand how a driver in an SUV can run down a person on a motorcycle enough Oct 2013 #2

You need to watch the video Beaverhausen Oct 2013 #4

Which video? There are like 80 of them. Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 #47

the OP should have linked directly to it, but here... TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #184

Thank you! Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 #196

What was scary about that video BEFORE the SUV ran over a bunch of people? ieoeja Oct 2013 #221

It must have been another video then (there are so many) Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 #230

That was way after he already ran over one of them. newcriminal Oct 2013 #231

Yeah, I just checked (yet) another video. Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 #234

At that point the driver did ... nothing. ieoeja Oct 2013 #235

"So he is flat out lying about that." Wanna see a slashed tire? I'll SHOW you a slashed tire. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2013 #303

what are you trying to say with this post? TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #310

The tire is completely gone kcr Oct 2013 #314

I'm saying that he drove a long way AFTER his front right tire was slashed. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2013 #315

ok, I get what you're saying now TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #323

I'm a"car guy". cherokeeprogressive Oct 2013 #328

You can see the tire at 3:04 in the video just after it had been ripped off the vehicle cpwm17 Oct 2013 #332

Good catch about the tire that had come off the wheel at 3:04 in the GoPro2900 video. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #336

oh wow, you can! TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #337

I notice something new every time I watch the video cpwm17 Oct 2013 #338

Good find, hadn't seen that picture before. cemaphonic Oct 2013 #324

Thanks for posting this. Lot's of defenders of these outlaws, unbelievable. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #325

I believe so. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2013 #329

It's unclear if the collision even caused him to dump his bike. Possibly, it didn't. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #331

If you don't understand what happened, then you need ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2013 #5

Yes, you need to watch the video. Wait Wut Oct 2013 #6

If you are under attack from 30 people attacking your vehicle alcibiades_mystery Oct 2013 #7

This! n/t cynatnite Oct 2013 #13

It's really just this simple. reflection Oct 2013 #21

+ 1,000 malaise Oct 2013 #37

No shit! etherealtruth Oct 2013 #81

Great post. bigwillq Oct 2013 #97

I'm with you. By the way, I found a link with a clip showing the actual running over of bike by SUV NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #129

Holy shit! Only one person approached the SUV! ieoeja Oct 2013 #222

DU has spoken. The bikers were all criminals and thugs who deserved to die ecstatic Oct 2013 #225

Get rid RedFury Oct 2013 #373

One person walks up and yanks open the door. Yup, and that's enough to be killed or seriously hurt. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #239

They were just fucking riding! ieoeja Oct 2013 #240

They took over the freeway. They are law-breakers. And they brake checked him. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #249

Beating him after he tried killing their friend proves they were going to beat him up anyway?!?!?!? ieoeja Oct 2013 #256

he was trying to get away from them , they surrounded him , there was no reason for the fuckwad to JI7 Oct 2013 #261

Yup. Pretty much. Normal healthy people do not beat up people who are trying to get away from them NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #262

they were SMASHING the Windows on a Car with a 2 Year old, they are fucking THUGS JI7 Oct 2013 #252

One person jerking your door open justifies running over a man administering first aid ... ieoeja Oct 2013 #255

they were behaving like thugs the entire time , they deserved to get run over or worse , fuck them JI7 Oct 2013 #257

You really should review the timeline ecstatic Oct 2013 #293

the Brake Check guy's act was to intimidate him and gang up on the driver, he actually did stop JI7 Oct 2013 #297

Good Samaritan helping the brake check guy? NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #380

Why yes, yes it des... RedFury Oct 2013 #374

Even if the SUV driver was wrong in how he protected his family (I do not believe he was wrong), Jenoch Oct 2013 #318

what>? dbackjon Oct 2013 #342

Exactly! NutmegYankee Oct 2013 #160

Give it a try... RedFury Oct 2013 #372

They surrounded his vehicle and were beating on it to get to him. Xithras Oct 2013 #10

Deliberately stopping the SUV and then surrounding it JimDandy Oct 2013 #182

Watch The Video. jsr Oct 2013 #23

Link please to THE video? NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #79

"Enough" of your silliness. bigwillq Oct 2013 #95

It's been over 9 hours since Jenoch Oct 2013 #101

It started with an accident. The motorcyclist stopped suddenly in front of him. pnwmom Oct 2013 #165

That was not an accident, it was deliberate. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #190

I would run them down in heartbeat if I felt my loved ones were in danger. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #174

The only tragedy is that the other 29 are physically able to ride motorcycles still. nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #11

It's tragic that Lien wasn't driving an F-450. dairydog91 Oct 2013 #24

Or a Mack truck. Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #33

we need a like button fitman Oct 2013 #228

Too bad the driver didn't have a gun jsr Oct 2013 #12

And if any of the bikers were armed, then what happens next? Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #14

A gun beats a knife any day of the week jsr Oct 2013 #17

It's not beating twenty hoodlums with guns...This ain't Hollywood or GTA 5... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #19

Sure...but it's also very, very likely most would flee once shots were fired. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2013 #34

why don't you take your gun crap somewhwere else. HERVEPA Oct 2013 #54

No. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2013 #65

why don't you take your gun crap somewhwere else. HERVEPA Oct 2013 #73

Kind of off topic, but have you ever googled "zerg rush"? petronius Oct 2013 #55

I've never heard it called Zerg rush, just plain old zerg Marrah_G Oct 2013 #60

Geeky gamer chick -> Lizzie Poppet Oct 2013 #64

LOL actually just googled it............ Marrah_G Oct 2013 #71

Gun Nut Fantasies JI7 Oct 2013 #189

And an SUV beats a motorcycle Politicalboi Oct 2013 #87

They had a large vehicle that could do much more damage The Straight Story Oct 2013 #53

It's New York.... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #99

They'd all piss themselves if REAL outlaw bikers got in their faces. graywarrior Oct 2013 #16

+1 Go Vols Oct 2013 #35

Yes, I have encountered Hells Angels and they would literally murder them. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #178

Yeah, I grew up around HA's graywarrior Oct 2013 #200

Now they're pissing off the cops with their bullshit answers BeyondGeography Oct 2013 #18

Just watched the video and it is asolutely frightening. Those bikers virgogal Oct 2013 #20

It was frightening just watching it. Marrah_G Oct 2013 #61

I can say that I would do the same thing. Curmudgeoness Oct 2013 #82

hope their bikes get rusty while they enjoy the hospitality of a state retention facility dembotoz Oct 2013 #22

And I hope their crotch-rockets are purposely destroyed. kentauros Oct 2013 #147

I've ridden a super-sport and a "hyper-sport." Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #179

hope they nail them gopiscrap Oct 2013 #26

Criminal forfeiture needs to be used to take away their bikes. Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #31

There are too many stories to get straight. I would think someone would crack. Orsino Oct 2013 #32

I watched the video- On instinct, when I started getting intimidated and surrounded... richmwill Oct 2013 #27

Wow riding off road bikes and atv's... Historic NY Oct 2013 #30

That's one of the dirty secrets of their ongoing battle with LEOs Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #36

what does Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2013 #39

just general immature jackassery with bikes/cars on public roads... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #41

They need to get them out on the interstate and completely box them in.... Historic NY Oct 2013 #43

Well, to be fair this was during Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #45

+1,000,000,000,000 Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #58

One of them surrendered today in Queens KurtNYC Oct 2013 #38

The one in the coma paralyzed, his family is all over the local news crying saying the driver should NotThisTime Oct 2013 #40

He fathered a child at 11 years old? Beaverhausen Oct 2013 #42

yup, local news is totally reporting this in the favor of the damn bikers WTF NotThisTime Oct 2013 #44

Maybe it's a step-son? Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #50

He is actually 32 according to a recent arrest NotThisTime Oct 2013 #51

Someone needs to start a "Fuck Jeremiah Mieses" site Taverner Oct 2013 #46

If you read the posts... Wait Wut Oct 2013 #49

He's already fucked. (nt) TacoD Oct 2013 #199

I would have been terrified if I was in that car Marrah_G Oct 2013 #56

Can someone explain the initial bump/hit that led to the chase? ecstatic Oct 2013 #57

I see the biker pull in front of him and slow way down while looking behind him. Marrah_G Oct 2013 #62

The biker attempted an illegal "brake check" to stop the SUV. ManiacJoe Oct 2013 #76

I doesn't matter what happened earlier. This is TERRORISM, there is no excuse. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #83

True, but nothing happens in a vacuum. ManiacJoe Oct 2013 #85

I've seen this before. The bikers likely wanted to stop traffic to stunt on the road. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #175

Well one clear early link in the event chain Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #246

Read posts 62 and 76. Jenoch Oct 2013 #108

No, the biker pulled in front of him and abruptly slowed down, pnwmom Oct 2013 #167

Their sorry asses are lucky more weren't run over.....i have no pity for the injured one. Gin Oct 2013 #59

check out what these assholes get up to on a "normal" ride... TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #63

Low-life thugs unfit to be organ donors. jsr Oct 2013 #70

I'll assume the linked video is showing riders going in excess of 150mph, or more. kentauros Oct 2013 #155

I cannot agree with you on this. Put a speed limiter on them. But you cannot ban them. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #180

I'm not a legislator. kentauros Oct 2013 #198

Thugs Marrah_G Oct 2013 #78

shouldn't all the bikers be arrested ? JI7 Oct 2013 #66

NYPD is trying to find them. Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #67

I just don't see it the way you all do. newcriminal Oct 2013 #68

I'd panic too if thirty people surrounded my car on the West Side Highway nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #72

They were attacking him when he drove forward Marrah_G Oct 2013 #74

Exactly they were trying to pull him out of that car before he drove off and over that guy.... NotThisTime Oct 2013 #77

I did watch the videos. newcriminal Oct 2013 #84

I didn't see that in the video either TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #123

Here's the video: NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #134

That video shows nothing new. newcriminal Oct 2013 #141

Doesn't show what? NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #143

This newcriminal Oct 2013 #145

Most of the videos only show the initial breaking of the window with a helmet. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #149

That was after he had already ran over them. Not before! newcriminal Oct 2013 #154

You refer to a description in a reply above that I think is an encapsulation of the whole thing. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #159

I agree with most of what you posted this time. newcriminal Oct 2013 #163

He may have just panicked, too. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #164

No, you would not have. You would do anythiong in your power to protect your family from harm. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #191

So you would give yourself to the mob, taking a beating and maybe surviving. oneshooter Oct 2013 #209

Not only did they not kill him, newcriminal Oct 2013 #216

The "beating" could well have been fatal for all occupants of the truck. I believe that most people ladjf Oct 2013 #210

So.. fitman Oct 2013 #237

Such a beating could be fatal or could leave you with brain damage. And remember, tblue37 Oct 2013 #277

So if they cannot handle being pounded on by 20 to 30 people FrodosPet Oct 2013 #319

They shouldn't have come at him in the first place... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #161

The title to the video RedFury Oct 2013 #377

LOL... good post my friend! like, hello!? Divine Discontent Oct 2013 #148

DD! NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #150

those are just a few clips from the same video from the helmet camera TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #170

I agree with every word. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #171

The bikes were driving wrecklessly, you don't stop dead in front of a vehicle on the Parkway. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #90

No, I never said it is ok to stop in front of the car. newcriminal Oct 2013 #91

Maybe I missed something, there is more than one video. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #92

You must not be watching carefully. newcriminal Oct 2013 #98

As you say, we can't see exactly what happens. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #100

Which is exactly what should have been done, newcriminal Oct 2013 #102

Why didn't "the bikers" take down his license plate Cerridwen Oct 2013 #103

Obviously, the driver was the victim and should not be expected to act normally. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #104

If you meant to reply to me, Cerridwen Oct 2013 #113

Yes. I was agreeing with you. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #115

Thanks for making that clear. Cerridwen Oct 2013 #118

Yes, I'd forgotten about those. And then there are also just crazy people. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #122

Oh yeah. I've had those experiences, too. Cerridwen Oct 2013 #126

I hate that it seems that way. My personal take-- ecstatic Oct 2013 #127

how about a little common Duckhunter935 Oct 2013 #133

Again I agree with that. newcriminal Oct 2013 #138

That's some fu'd reasoning! RedFury Oct 2013 #375

I never said they shouldn't be. newcriminal Oct 2013 #105

No. But not for lack of trying. Cerridwen Oct 2013 #111

After he ran some of them over. newcriminal Oct 2013 #116

Read my reply to NYC_SKP. (#118) Cerridwen Oct 2013 #121

With stitched on his chest and arm also Marrah_G Oct 2013 #327

The driver was in fear for his life and the Jenoch Oct 2013 #112

Really? Jenoch Oct 2013 #109

Appropriate username is appropriate... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #128

he was surrounded by 30 bikers beating on his car magical thyme Oct 2013 #135

Try driving with a baby in the back seat while you're surrounded pnwmom Oct 2013 #168

Where were the cops? delta17 Oct 2013 #75

When not protecting Wall Street jsr Oct 2013 #80

I resent you using the good men of the 12th to describe the NYPD Catherine Vincent Oct 2013 #114

+ 1,000,000 CBGLuthier Oct 2013 #194

I've spoken to Chicago cops who say Barney Miller was the most life-like cop show ever. n/t ieoeja Oct 2013 #330

the police are never around when these thugs are on the rampage TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #283

They were busy stopping random minorities and frisking them. n/t hughee99 Oct 2013 #339

I guess this dude will be a little bit less of a badass riding his wheelchair around Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #86

If this is the same J. Mieses who was injured, then it was really just a matter of time. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #88

He was an aspiring rapper and rapped about thug life, that's him NotThisTime Oct 2013 #94

I wish I were cool like that! JVS Oct 2013 #124

Frankly, I think both groups were wrong. RedCappedBandit Oct 2013 #96

The SUV driver did nothing shameful or illegal. Jenoch Oct 2013 #117

one biker under arrest deliberately caused the initial accident magical thyme Oct 2013 #144

Zero sympathy. The shit they do is deliberate, provocative, and high risk. jsr Oct 2013 #151

Agreed. I watched about half an hour of the videos leading up to the incident magical thyme Oct 2013 #220

Even Helmet Camera Dude admitted that the brake check was deliberate TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #227

I read several articles about it yesterday... magical thyme Oct 2013 #232

That's not what is seen in the video TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #238

I just reread my post from last night. I never said I saw that in the video magical thyme Oct 2013 #259

you made a claim that was disputed by the video TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #278

LAH-LAH-LAH-LAH-LAH-LAH-LAH magical thyme Oct 2013 #280

yeah, and my heart just breaks over that TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #291

LAH-LAH-LAH-LAH-LAN magical thyme Oct 2013 #296

The idiot in the hospital is the one who caused it. MattBaggins Oct 2013 #153

He is not the one in the hospital. newcriminal Oct 2013 #156

I stand corrected on that MattBaggins Oct 2013 #157

I'd have no problem with the driver running over the whole damn lot of them. jsr Oct 2013 #158

You don't terrorize a family AgingAmerican Oct 2013 #183

doesn't matter if there's a baby in the vehicle or not TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #233

One of my favorite sayings... "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes." cherokeeprogressive Oct 2013 #106

To lay any blame for this on the driver of the SUV is ridiculous. Jenoch Oct 2013 #119

I'm not BLAMING the driver. Maybe you missed my saying possibly he'd never been in that situation. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2013 #130

I have never been in a situation either driving a car and being surrounded by Jenoch Oct 2013 #139

Agreed, thank you Duckhunter935 Oct 2013 #136

I kind of hate to see the term "bikers" used to describe these guys. I was expecting brewens Oct 2013 #107

This story appears to shed some light on the Jenoch Oct 2013 #120

WND? They're trying to make this a black biker gang??? NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #125

I don't really know anything about the source. Jenoch Oct 2013 #131

All that is true, they are a lawless lot, but multicultural. Link to SUV running over bike video: NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #137

i believe mezees mother is hispanic , and the crowd looked mixed up different races to me also JI7 Oct 2013 #185

A rainbow coalition of the shitheaded AngryAmish Oct 2013 #226

In the videos I saw riders of all sort of nationalites Marrah_G Oct 2013 #132

Yup, me too. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #152

"Their intent is to intimidate, to harass and to cause an altercation." jsr Oct 2013 #166

wnd? seriously? Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #243

You're a day late. Jenoch Oct 2013 #248

Yeah, it's not like you have any power to edit your post or something... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #253

I don't generally edit my posts after they Jenoch Oct 2013 #258

The bikers appear to think they're in a Mad Max movie. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #169

OK, then. Lots of them got killed doing stupid shit in that movie. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #192

my take on this steve2470 Oct 2013 #172

As a daily rider, I can tell you all with confidence that those riders are assholes... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #173

Zero sympathy for the guy who was only tending to a downed rider when he too got mowed ecstatic Oct 2013 #176

He chose to ride with that group. I know those kind of groups. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #177

To steal from the post above "Play stupid games.. win stupid prizes..." Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #181

Or, "If you act like an ass, don't be surprised when you get kicked." nt Common Sense Party Oct 2013 #241

If you hang out with your stupid criminal buddies, doing stupid criminal shit cemaphonic Oct 2013 #186

Let me try and find some sympathy here... Violet_Crumble Oct 2013 #188

A little info on this jerk, from The Boston Globe. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #193

"Tending to a downed rider" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #211

This group of thugs has a history this type of behavior. Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #217

I would have ran over as many of them as I could! Too bad they didn't try that with an 18 wheeler! B Calm Oct 2013 #195

New Story of Motorcycle Rampage Emerges as One Biker Turns Self In steve2470 Oct 2013 #197

Thanks for adding an update. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #202

most welcome ! steve2470 Oct 2013 #203

To hear J. Meezee's mom tell it, they're just kids doing the normal end of summer thing. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #205

I agree about the extra patrols nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #207

Ok so Lien pulled over WolverineDG Oct 2013 #215

karma Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #201

I witnessed something like this in Los Angeles (without the violence) but Blue Meany Oct 2013 #204

I think the Highway Patrol here in Missouri would be all over something leftyladyfrommo Oct 2013 #208

We have thugs like that in Dallas rainbow4321 Oct 2013 #219

Squids like this deserve jail time and seizure of their licenses and bikes. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #223

The guy in the hospital has never held a license in the first place - any license NotThisTime Oct 2013 #242

Some of those 4x4's are not even street legal. liberal N proud Oct 2013 #229

Many of the bikes do not have license plates. Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #236

this thread is out of control Liberal_in_LA Oct 2013 #245

Agreed. Too many liberal people posting!!!!! closeupready Oct 2013 #251

I agree. Lots of nastiness on display. morningfog Oct 2013 #254

Yeah, people tend to get emotional when criminals terrorize families with toddlers. cemaphonic Oct 2013 #264

Nothing wrong with encouraging violence and harm to those who deserve it... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #305

I disgree with most of your words. morningfog Oct 2013 #308

I was speaking in general terms... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #317

Agreed. stranger81 Oct 2013 #299

your post astounds me with its bullshit. cali Oct 2013 #366

SHouldn't these Thugs be charged with Terrorism ? JI7 Oct 2013 #247

We on DU are such sensitive human beings. closeupready Oct 2013 #250

Motrocycle rider in road rage video appears in court Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #263

WTF??? TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #288

Yes, �Motorcycle Gangs� Still Exist. No, They Didn�t Attack a Man in New York. steve2470 Oct 2013 #268

Biker freed, charges dropped over Manhattan attack of SUV driver � for now steve2470 Oct 2013 #270

It seems to me that Mr. Cruz bears a great deal of blame for what happened that day. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #281

maybe Bloomberg and the NYPD will do something now, would like to hear from other NYC'ers steve2470 Oct 2013 #282

New: 15 arrests and 55 bikes confiscated? NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #284

ok glad they are doing something, stay safe in your Prius ! steve2470 Oct 2013 #287

i think these people get off on intimidating others , so they don't get that with renting a track JI7 Oct 2013 #298

Yup, I think that's the whole deal. Shame on their defenders. nt NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #301

Agreed nt Duckhunter935 Oct 2013 #302

Taking their chances on that one... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #321

Mr. Cruz sounds like an articulate individual ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #285

A real role model and asset to the neighborhood. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #286

Out for a quiet Sunday drive with his closest friends. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #335

this other report seems to say Cruz was let go without charge TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #289

Cruz is out on bail. newcriminal Oct 2013 #290

with these conflicting reports I can't tell what the hell is going on TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #294

""F---!" Cruz of Passaic, N.J. yelled at reporters " JI7 Oct 2013 #292

Right, because you never said "Fuck!" in your life. closeupready Oct 2013 #307

not when i was at court with family in public, the guy is a piece of shit JI7 Oct 2013 #313

Biker Arraigned In Manhattan magical thyme Oct 2013 #295

Judge: What was that you said? Bail denied. K.O. Stradivarius Oct 2013 #311

Just glad I live in Florida. flvegan Oct 2013 #316

I think that plays a big part... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #322

Yeah, you'd never see this NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #347

I said likely... you said never... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #356

actually, you said 'just as likely' NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #357

You keep making my points... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #358

I know well what you implied NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #359

Dozens of Motorcyclists Rally After Highway Altercation steve2470 Oct 2013 #320

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See...this is why you don't bring a motorcycle to a Land Rover fight. Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #334

Dammit...I wanted to say that. Captain Stern Oct 2013 #346

Biker suspect identified... TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #367