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Ms. Toad

(38,659 posts)
16. Not really.
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 01:23 AM
Oct 2013

One normally thinks of profits in terms of percentage of revenue (or return on investment) - and that is what is fixed.

A company which has a profit of a million dollars, out of a revenue of 100 million is typically seen as far less profitable than a company which has a profit of a million dollars, out of a revenue of 2 million to make it.

And - even if the first company has a two million dollar profit, the second company is seen as more profitable because the first only returned 2% profit, while the second returned 100% profit.

And you are conflating two separate players - the providers (who aren't really interested in increasing the insurance company profits), and the insurance companies (who are interested in increasing their profits, but since the MLR is fixed can really only increase their profits by adding more customers. And in a competitive exchange that gives them a reason to push the providers to give them lower prices so their rates will be low enough attract more customers).

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ignorance NJCher Oct 2013 #1
That's about it it. Remember the poll... TreasonousBastard Oct 2013 #3
Jimmy Kimmel did a bit last night where they asked people which they preferred SomethingFishy Oct 2013 #30
Republicans want their corporate friend to feast off the sick Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2013 #2
You are sadly misinfomed. former9thward Oct 2013 #4
Insurance premiums? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #5
There is nothing in the ACA to control Health care costs. former9thward Oct 2013 #9
Medicare controls costs. RobertEarl Oct 2013 #12
Using Medicare does not help your argument. former9thward Oct 2013 #19
not true. Competition always lowers prices and the rebate requirement will make them toe the line larkrake Oct 2013 #26
True..There was no way to get a "cost controlled" bill through.. SomethingFishy Oct 2013 #31
Actually, you are misinformed. Ms. Toad Oct 2013 #6
That 85% you are referring to is based on costs. former9thward Oct 2013 #8
You said there were no limits on insurance premiums. Ms. Toad Oct 2013 #11
So if health care costs increase, insurance profits increase? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #15
Not really. Ms. Toad Oct 2013 #16
Not really NoOneMan Oct 2013 #18
And when the premiums go up because they have negotiated higher medical costs Ms. Toad Oct 2013 #20
But that feel-good free market crap didn't work before NoOneMan Oct 2013 #21
Look at what is happening in the state a similar plan has been implemented. Ms. Toad Oct 2013 #22
Im not predicting disaster. Its already a disaster NoOneMan Oct 2013 #24
Actually - Ms. Toad Oct 2013 #25
None of the above. defacto7 Oct 2013 #7
Well, that could be a good thing, indeed. RobertEarl Oct 2013 #10
Because it is a conveniently mysterious and shiny thing. blogslut Oct 2013 #13
Here's the opposition's view RobertEarl Oct 2013 #14
acres of misinformation....lies spanone Oct 2013 #17
Just one note about what you said about doctors nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #23
Several reasons: The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2013 #27
Because JustAnotherGen Oct 2013 #28
For conservative ideologues it is because people will find out it is a good Blue Meany Oct 2013 #29
Racism. Rex Oct 2013 #32
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