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In reply to the discussion: Um, this has more to do with 20+ years of Third Way Dems appeasing real crazies, [View all]highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)134. First Way. First Cause.
You shall know them by their words and by their actions.
High principles work. But you simply must adhere to them. You must speak them and act on them.
Polluting them with lower principles results in, well, lower results.
If Democrats could know convincingly that acting from higher principles, as witnessed in President Obama's speech in Maryland today, October 3, 2013, would resonate resoundingly with the electorate and get them electorate, then we'd really have something.
Till then, the electorate hears plenty of wrong ideas and principles. They are on Rush Limpballs and all other right-wing talk shows. They are largely prevalent in the money-stream media. This parade of crappy ideas that simply don't work was started under the regime of Ronald Raygun. Who sold it with his own measure of lies and country charm. But given a diet of pure drivel over and over again for decades, it is no wonder that average American begins to accept these false ideas as true.
The solution. The constant, solid repetition of commonsense ideas that bear a Progressive stamp and that simply have largely been proven to be true and successful.
Think of your own life. If you want to change a bad habit, it still takes a lot of work. If you were to use affirmations, you would have to repeat them every time a notion that you know is false (but that has been conditioned into you) even begins to appear.
First way. First cause. The higher principles win out, always in the end, because they are linked to intelligence, they are linked to survival. But it sure is easy and tempting sometimes to follow the less enlightened ways.
To me, this is just about the best speech I have ever heard President Obama give.
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Um, this has more to do with 20+ years of Third Way Dems appeasing real crazies, [View all]
MannyGoldstein
Oct 2013
OP
If Clinton couldn't pull ahead in '08, no reason to think she could do so in '16
Scootaloo
Oct 2013
#24
And that's what you call an attack? Looks to me like he was trying to turn an
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#65
So it isnt about discussion is it? It's about ridicule and derogatory comments. I am proud of my
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#68
I agree with you. the social change required after decades of christian, radica repuke infiltration
BlancheSplanchnik
Oct 2013
#140
Bullshit on toast. Oregon, very libreal Oregon, had record setting mid term turnout
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2013
#40
The thing is, though, these are all amongst THE most reliable Democratic states.
AverageJoe90
Oct 2013
#69
"Your position is pure fantastia. It is also painfully simplistic thinking." Quite the opposite.....
AverageJoe90
Oct 2013
#114
Firebaggers? I don't think so. Real activist progressives, maybe. Not Firebaggers.
AverageJoe90
Oct 2013
#143
I could say the same for a lot of the emoprogs, too, but I'd actually be right.
AverageJoe90
Oct 2013
#71
It remains an objective fact that Oregon had the highest midterm turnout ever.
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2013
#41
Oregon is my State. I keep pointing out that only SOME places had crappy turnout
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2013
#109
Here's the proof: 2006 Independents 59-37 Democrats. 2010 Independents 55-39 Republicans.
neverforget
Oct 2013
#141
True, but as I've said, it doesn't quite explain the rather large discrepancy.
AverageJoe90
Oct 2013
#144
First, you are comparing the numbers of a midterm election (which are generally
sabrina 1
Oct 2013
#147
Midterm elections ALWAYS have less turnout than presidential elections. I'm a Liberal
neverforget
Oct 2013
#161
You're comparing a Presidential election (an apple) to midterm elections (an orange).
neverforget
Oct 2013
#177
You keep saying that but you have yet to provide any data to back up your assertion.
cui bono
Oct 2013
#156
I have worked on elections for over a decade with pretty much the same people showing up to help.
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#82
Joe, that is not true. Liberals voted in slightly more numbers in 2010 than they
sabrina 1
Oct 2013
#135
If yr talking about the shutdown, it's got everything to do with utter lunatics on the Right...
Violet_Crumble
Oct 2013
#14
At least the left has principles. Ask a so-called centrist what their principles are and they
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#84
They hated it but voted for it. This makes the 'hate' rhetorical, the support actual.
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2013
#44
If the Democrats want the left to vote...appeal to the left rather than the right.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Oct 2013
#53
So you're saying ... keeping thugs like Cruz out of office isn't enough to get "the left" to vote?
MH1
Oct 2013
#122
"There is no way you are a liberal if you buy into what he's selling." I'm sorry you feel that way.
AverageJoe90
Oct 2013
#165
Where are your stats showing this assertion? The only stats I've seen are that moderates sat out.
cui bono
Oct 2013
#170
No no no, this has nothing to do with the rightward swing decades in the making
RedCappedBandit
Oct 2013
#83
The left is organized. We drink together once a month at Drink Liberally around the country.
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#87
It's really weird to me how people are so willing to blame fellow liberals.
liberalmuse
Oct 2013
#133
oh, I like that last line. "The time grows near for FDR liberals to crawl out from under the bus,
liberal_at_heart
Oct 2013
#151
Right. 40 Republican teabaggers and a weak-assed Speaker are holding the House hostage...
SidDithers
Oct 2013
#152