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newspeak

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190. he did not say ALL

Sat Mar 3, 2012, 12:02 PM

Mar 2012

the argument was established in sweden when abortion came into law. The percentage of women mortality during pregnancy. Also women mortality because of illegal abortions. The younger the female, the higher mortality rate. Also, if a woman is in her late thirties, forties-higher percentage of complications.

We had a case in california, I believe it was in the early nineties. A woman who was pregnant was in an accident. The doctor informed her family that she would have a better chance of surviving if she aborted. The family agreed. But, an anti-abortion male lawyer stopped the procedure just long enough that the woman and fetus were dead.

It is not the government's place to decide-it is the woman's, her doctor, her family's-but not the government.

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When if ever does abortion make you uncomfortable/uneasy? [View all] Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 OP

Never, Its None of My Business we can do it Mar 2012 #1

+1 It is simply none of my concern, nor should it be. hifiguy Mar 2012 #24

I do think about it being a woman. However, I may not want it for me but I don't feel it is my southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #56

Agreed 100% hifiguy Mar 2012 #61

The OP assumes that it is our business to judge IphengeniaBlumgarten Mar 2012 #34

It's the business of a woman and a coin flip, if she wants! randome Mar 2012 #58

Your so right. Besides who are we to judge another person's decision. We aren't in their shoes. southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #150

^ Amen ^ Mimosa Mar 2012 #184

I'm with you n/t dana_b Mar 2012 #95

Oh, sheez. closeupready Mar 2012 #113

So, You Think Other People's Personal Decisions Should Somehow Involve You? we can do it Mar 2012 #189

Doesn't matter, if you're a man. randome Mar 2012 #2

So the day before birth would not bother you? nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #5

You are kidding... There is not a doctor in this country that would do that! alittlelark Mar 2012 #9

I didn't say there was. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #13

You're kidding, right? Neue Regel Mar 2012 #155

After reading that I assume you understand he was NOT alittlelark Mar 2012 #168

You said, "There is not a doctor in this country that would do that!" Neue Regel Mar 2012 #171

He was as much a doctor as the the Nazi 'doctors'. alittlelark Mar 2012 #177

Back alley abortionist murdering liveborn full term infants? Oh yeah, he's such a good example. uppityperson Mar 2012 #170

He wasn't a "back alley abortionist" Neue Regel Mar 2012 #172

He had been in trouble before and they should have shut him down a long time ago. Since what he was uppityperson Mar 2012 #181

That is absolutely horrifying. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #176

Doesn't matter if it bothers me. randome Mar 2012 #12

That was not the question in the OP though. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #15

It's one of those things that is out of my hands. randome Mar 2012 #19

It's like the wars the US wages in the ME. I can't really make a difference so what is my opinion Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #22

I was thinking of that same metaphor! randome Mar 2012 #36

TBTB mostly control politics and war now. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #38

The difference is: with abortion, you have no RIGHT to "make a difference." NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #138

Sticking my nose in - enlightenment Mar 2012 #97

So your intent is to put us on a slippery slope? One day before birth; then the day before that? Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #158

wtf Dokkie Mar 2012 #76

Same applies for 'getting' a woman pregnant, then. randome Mar 2012 #86

When men try to make the rules Happyhippychick Mar 2012 #3

Hear Hear, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2012 #7

Thank you! Happyhippychick Mar 2012 #11

Abortion is a legal medical procedure obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #4

So all pregnant women are unhealthy? nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #6

If You Really Want To Pursue This Line, Sir.... The Magistrate Mar 2012 #17

So Sir, you are indeed saying that all pregnant women are unhealthy. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #18

If you are sincerely asking for opinions, why are you then arguing with them? Happyhippychick Mar 2012 #21

I'm trying to get some details into their thought process. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #26

I wish but obviously not. uppityperson Mar 2012 #94

Feel Free To Provide Us All the Amusement at Your Own Expense You Desire, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #25

Please Sir, try to stay on topic. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #28

The Spectacle You Present Is the Sole Point Of Interest, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #44

I'm having some popcorn. I had to duck out to make a call. Happyhippychick Mar 2012 #29

Heading Out Soon For Groceries With the Wife, Ma'am, Myself The Magistrate Mar 2012 #32

It could take five months, too. Happyhippychick Mar 2012 #40

No, he's saying pregnancy poses more risks to a woman's life and health than abortion. smokey nj Mar 2012 #71

he did not say ALL newspeak Mar 2012 #190

"legal medical procedure"s are not always done on unhealthy people. uppityperson Mar 2012 #93

Per the poster: "Abortion is a legal medical procedure for women's health. " nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #115

Doing something to stay healthy does not mean you were unhealthy to start with. uppityperson Mar 2012 #126

Not cleaning your teeth will result in tooth and gum disease. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #129

Nope. uppityperson Mar 2012 #132

Getting a preventative flu or other shot, is a medical procedure, performed on a healthy person Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #156

Always. No one WANTS abortions. The women who have them are not HAPPY about it Vincardog Mar 2012 #8

Not according to some of the other posters. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #10

I have not seen anyone happy about abortions, IF you don't like them Don't have one Vincardog Mar 2012 #16

Isn't "stirring the pot" expected on a political discussion board? Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #141

Discussion implies someone is willing to be persuaded. Stirring the spot implies Vincardog Mar 2012 #153

Please point out where I posted that some did. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #173

Here you go. The post ahead of yours, and your reply "not according to some of the other posters" uppityperson Mar 2012 #182

And I hold to the first part of people wanting them, but not the second part of people being happy. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #183

There you said it. You said "I want them to end pregnancies". Shame on you for wanting ABORTIONS Vincardog Mar 2012 #191

I disagree. No one wants the circumstances that might lead to an abortion. sinkingfeeling Mar 2012 #88

I am taking a similar drug now (Humira) - my dad was on Methotrexate for his arthritis TBF Mar 2012 #101

I did not suggest that you or anyone should have your choices limited. Vincardog Mar 2012 #154

"Fuck rare" is the response of more than one DUer to "safe, legal and rare": Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #139

The problem I have is that "use condoms than have abortions" is wayyyy too simplistic. uppityperson Mar 2012 #147

I'm in favor of better sex education and wider availability of contraception, Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #151

Of course. "rare" is not an objective, measurable number, that is the issue with using it uppityperson Mar 2012 #152

During. eShirl Mar 2012 #14

What Bothers You Is Of No Consequence To Anyone Else, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #20

So you have no opinions on things you cannot affect? Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #31

It Must Keep You Awfully Busy Then, Sir.... The Magistrate Mar 2012 #39

I must not be alone, Sir. DU covers a swath of varied topics. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #43

The Strong Are Strongest Alone, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #49

The Bible told Christians to be "wise as serpents." Or "sly as snakes" some might say Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #159

There are couple of things about abortion that can be difficult and sad RZM Mar 2012 #23

Thank you for an honest and thought out reply. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #33

There are women who considered and rejected an abortion and then got a later term one. uppityperson Mar 2012 #96

it makes me uncomfortable LadyHawkAZ Mar 2012 #27

That makes complete sense. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #35

Never. n/t Greybnk48 Mar 2012 #30

When assholes try to outlaw it PlanetBev Mar 2012 #37

+1 eShirl Mar 2012 #42

Sex selective abortions? AngryAmish Mar 2012 #41

This is actually what brought this topic up to some degree. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #45

Then both of you have my best wishes. randome Mar 2012 #51

I'd have a big problem with that AngryAmish Mar 2012 #54

But if both of you can't agree, what then? randome Mar 2012 #60

That is part of the discussion too. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #55

It can't be 50/50, 'cause you can't die or be maimed Lars39 Mar 2012 #77

My wife and I just have that kind of relationship. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #79

Of course it can... JSnuffy Mar 2012 #108

Unfortunately, the DU polling feature isn't currently available. Morning Dew Mar 2012 #66

It doesn't. While you might like to draw a line in the sand and say that once sinkingfeeling Mar 2012 #46

I tend to go along with British law here... LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #47

Seems sensible on the surface. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #50

I love how the British leave religion out of it. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #143

Truthfully - when it comes to me personally. Been there done that and often feel guilty. But then jwirr Mar 2012 #48

Whenever Republicans make this very same argument. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #52

There is no argument. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #57

You are correct, there is none. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #62

This is what I can't stand about DU. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #63

What I want to open up as a discussion is why you care enough about this to start a thread CTyankee Mar 2012 #64

Word. Me thinks it's to cause infighting. But I'm a little Happyhippychick Mar 2012 #69

Post #45. randome Mar 2012 #73

Rule #1. Get Defensive And Mis-Direct. Awesome. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #67

Might as well shut down DU altogether or maybe make it a rule that we can't discuss things we cannot Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #72

All or none, I see. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #81

I do not believe that was my opinion, but alright. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #116

Yes... of course you may do that. LanternWaste Mar 2012 #122

But I consider most of the pro-abortion remarks to be honest too Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #160

All genuine remarks are interesting. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #175

Women have been under attack for quite a while now me b zola Mar 2012 #187

right up until the age of 41 MattBaggins Mar 2012 #53

ROFL. My parents would have probably agreed. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #59

There is a general level of discomfort The Doctor. Mar 2012 #65

Not sure your opinion is valid. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #75

Lol... got me. n/t The Doctor. Mar 2012 #78

My wife just started watching the new series. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #85

He was brilliant. Mariana Mar 2012 #164

Awesome, I'm glad I'm not alone. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #174

These questions are never really about clinical considerations. EFerrari Mar 2012 #80

I'm quite comfortable with the idea of women being sexually active. The Doctor. Mar 2012 #83

Late term abortions bother me adigal Mar 2012 #68

After 24 weeks ecstatic Mar 2012 #70

Mothers having a late term abortion abelenkpe Mar 2012 #98

I always have a problem with the "so many people would love to adopt" reference. CTyankee Mar 2012 #102

Thank you. +1000. MH1 Mar 2012 #167

In the late 80s I worked with a therapist who had patients who had, as young women, had CTyankee Mar 2012 #188

Do You Know Any Woman Who Chose To Abort After 24 Weeks Just Because? Even Heard Of One? HangOnKids Mar 2012 #121

I simply answered the OP's question ecstatic Mar 2012 #162

Never Dokkie Mar 2012 #74

I've always thought that Roe v Wade got it pretty close to right csziggy Mar 2012 #82

Never, really. It's just not emotionally loaded, and I prefer it that way. saras Mar 2012 #84

When people ask me to qualify my support for choice. Iggo Mar 2012 #87

Never. ieoeja Mar 2012 #89

I had the EXACT Reaction Driving Through Florida On My Way To My Pops Funeral HangOnKids Mar 2012 #100

Because the white race is in trouble because all the white wimmins hedgehog Mar 2012 #179

I respect/trust women to make their own decisions because it's their business, not mine. AtomicKitten Mar 2012 #90

If I had to get one..... ingac70 Mar 2012 #91

Always... but it's called "pro-choice" for a reason. SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #92

Never. That is why I have abortion parties regularly. Tupperware? Pshaw. Abortions are more fun! uppityperson Mar 2012 #99

For The Win! HangOnKids Mar 2012 #103

Right after they have their mani-pedis at the spa! CTyankee Mar 2012 #104

It has reached the point where the abortinazis should just be mocked. ieoeja Mar 2012 #106

Don't forget "coat hanger" bingo! The winner gets to pick a standard wire one or one that holds Happyhippychick Mar 2012 #112

when it's illegal. n/t Scout Mar 2012 #105

Last trimester izquierdista Mar 2012 #107

As I read your OP it was obvious pipi_k Mar 2012 #109

You are exaclty right. I'm glad someone actually understood it. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #117

Is it OK to judge people who choose to have 20 children? (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #144

I would never be uncomfortable/uneasy Texasgal Mar 2012 #110

When I wake up and discover I have a uterus and am pregnant, because then it might be my call Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #111

Good On You Warren HangOnKids Mar 2012 #127

I think almost everyone is uncomfortable and uneasy about abortions lunatica Mar 2012 #114

Abortion makes me very uneasy from day one DesertRat Mar 2012 #118

I get uneasy whenever anyone Autumn Mar 2012 #119

WORD! n/t HangOnKids Mar 2012 #131

Valid, peer-reviewed, legal medical procedures do not make me feel uneasy. LanternWaste Mar 2012 #120

In the back alley One_Life_To_Give Mar 2012 #123

when it's MY feet in the stirrups. n/t ladywnch Mar 2012 #124

An early abortion is simply removing a clump of cells. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #125

I'm in the same camp. I am not lobbying for any change in current laws though. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #128

Me neither (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #135

It *ALWAYS* makes me uncomfortable... tledford Mar 2012 #130

Sex selection abortions bother me, along kelly1mm Mar 2012 #133

Gattaca. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #134

I remember that movie --- king of a high tech Brave New World. That type of kelly1mm Mar 2012 #136

In a sense, nature makes similar decisions; many very deformed embryos abort or expire naturally Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #165

Abortions based on prenatal testing for a disability KamaAina Mar 2012 #137

If a woman chooses to have a baby with Down's syndrome, I respect that choice. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #142

It doesn't. nt NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #140

Abortion On Demand. Ship of Fools Mar 2012 #145

I do find the Roman Caliphate and the Evangelical opposition Dawson Leery Mar 2012 #146

kick Dawson Leery Mar 2012 #201

Only when asshole men try to keep women from getting them. Avalux Mar 2012 #148

Never. tammywammy Mar 2012 #149

As a recovering Catholic, abortion does bother me. bitchkitty Mar 2012 #157

It's irrelevant etherealtruth Mar 2012 #161

when I actually have a stake in one ibegurpard Mar 2012 #163

It's none of my business. Blue_In_AK Mar 2012 #166

It does make just a little bit queasy, I was probably a Jain in a former life.. Pornograph Mar 2012 #169

Personally Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2012 #178

When a woman has an abortion we never really know the reason why, do we? jillan Mar 2012 #180

When it's mine. donheld Mar 2012 #185

When if ever does inserting yourself into women's Dr's offices make you uncomfortable/uneasy? me b zola Mar 2012 #186

When they do the dilation. Feels creepy. elehhhhna Mar 2012 #192

when it is done with a coat hanger varelse Mar 2012 #193

Um, being a guy, I dont have any say at all DiverDave Mar 2012 #194

Never. Abortion is a moral choice that liberates women and protects families. PeaceNikki Mar 2012 #195

For me personally? I would have had a hard time having an abortion, phylny Mar 2012 #196

Emotionally, it is hard. But it is often the Rational choice. Heart AND mind. Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #197

abortion that late is done to save the life of the mother pitohui Mar 2012 #198

I resepct your question, it never has to be black or white. I also respect a womens right to choose uponit7771 Mar 2012 #199

sex selections. however nothing bothers me enough to legislate it La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2012 #200