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77. Clever way to win a war, or ...

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Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:37 AM

Oct 2013

Stupid way to lose a war.

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One thing the Republicans seem to grasp that our side doesn't. [View all] Bonobo Oct 2013 OP

Rec 1000words Oct 2013 #1

If you're suggesting we become more psychotic and less intelligent, I'm out. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #2

That's what you ARE watching. Bonobo Oct 2013 #3

Then it was inevitable. There is no gain from being dumber and crazier. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #4

No, I genuinely believe that harder pushing to the left would result in more gains to the left. Bonobo Oct 2013 #5

You are ABSOLUTELY right, Bonobo. But watch out: they'll call you an Emoprog. Th1onein Oct 2013 #8

It was coined by someone who doesn't like to see unity on our side, Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #13

Well, there is a difference between taking a hard left and acting insane. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #22

This is called "soviet style" negotiation.. sendero Oct 2013 #62

It was crazy to ever 'compromise' with lunatic bullies. THAT is why we are sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #53

I take it as rpannier Oct 2013 #32

That's quite a leap. Scuba Oct 2013 #61

Rubbish! nt longship Oct 2013 #6

I think that's a petty straightforward and rational understanding of how it works Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #7

You're right. Th1onein Oct 2013 #9

I think it was made up by a troll. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #12

I don't think you are correct. Or, at least, not by that particular troll. Th1onein Oct 2013 #20

Fair enough. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #25

You can do a google search for it on DU. merrily Oct 2013 #34

Nah. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #47

I mean only that it has been used on DU a good while ago. merrily Oct 2013 #56

It's an INSULT. The rightwingers use it to try to shut us up. Th1onein Oct 2013 #80

Obama put a significant marker down on the field with the ACA. He accomplished a very large Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #16

I disagree. I think when they overreach, all they accomplish is looking insane. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #10

One of the major reasons the Left gets very little accomplished. DontTreadOnMe Oct 2013 #11

We need to get the House back in 2014. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #14

The strategy to get the House back includes learning how to "play" the negotiation game. DontTreadOnMe Oct 2013 #15

I think the strategy to get the house back figures out how to shoehorn out at least a few of these Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #17

Here is how the Left needs to play the game... DontTreadOnMe Oct 2013 #18

I hear you. I kind of lean towards the idea that just saying "fuck you" negates the idea that there Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #23

The Progressive Left needs to start making demands DontTreadOnMe Oct 2013 #31

I think part of the problem are the way the rules of the House operate. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #33

Unless the Democrats are in the majority? merrily Oct 2013 #36

The speaker can sign off on any vote. joshcryer Oct 2013 #41

That is not what Warren said. merrily Oct 2013 #43

I should have been clearer and said "The GOP controls...etc. NOW" Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #45

The current speaker is GOP. joshcryer Oct 2013 #50

Yes, I know the current speaker is Republican and am also familiar with the Haester rule. merrily Oct 2013 #52

Who cares what he says. Common vernacular has made him own it. joshcryer Oct 2013 #58

As I said, I consider it irrelevant who they name it after. merrily Oct 2013 #63

He did formulate it. He didn't originate it. joshcryer Oct 2013 #65

If you say that he did not originate it, I am not sure what you mean by "he formulated it." merrily Oct 2013 #68

Formulation is just explaining. joshcryer Oct 2013 #70

Are we going to go back and forth on definitions, too? merrily Oct 2013 #72

I was using it under the second definition. joshcryer Oct 2013 #74

Yes, the party that controls the house controls the committees. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #44

I think you misperceived the point of my post by a lot. merrily Oct 2013 #73

Basically. The majority owns the vote. Discharge petitions never happen. joshcryer Oct 2013 #38

I care if there are blue dogs, but the DCCC hardly even backs a new candidate who is not a merrily Oct 2013 #46

Hey, fair enough, I can get behind that. joshcryer Oct 2013 #54

"The DCCC goes with whoever they think is electable." Meh. merrily Oct 2013 #60

I think that's too simplistic. joshcryer Oct 2013 #64

Warren may be an exception. I am not sure yet. And that is Massachusetts, too. merrily Oct 2013 #66

What about those EMILY's List candidates the DCCC is supporting? joshcryer Oct 2013 #69

You can't equate EMILY's list with "liberal." merrily Oct 2013 #71

Fair enough, I only checked the first three. joshcryer Oct 2013 #75

Exactly how it should be done. DireStrike Oct 2013 #83

ABSOLUTELY. Th1onein Oct 2013 #84

This may not be popular, but we might just need some hardcore liars. joshcryer Oct 2013 #37

You don't need to lie. You just don't have to label people. merrily Oct 2013 #49

That's true, but the intent is still there. joshcryer Oct 2013 #57

I agree. DireStrike Oct 2013 #82

Yep. And we need to fix the filibuster rules. joshcryer Oct 2013 #28

Deadpan humor is so underappreciated these days Fumesucker Oct 2013 #55

Reid doesn't want to get rid of his baby. joshcryer Oct 2013 #59

Deja vu of what was being said when Obama's polls went down during the 08 campaign Turborama Oct 2013 #35

The Republicans don't "seem to grasp." They have BEEN grasped... Orsino Oct 2013 #19

You may be right. LiberalAndProud Oct 2013 #21

True, I have often faulted Democrats for the same Live and Learn Oct 2013 #24

unfortunately I think that is right hfojvt Oct 2013 #26

Boehner: I got 98 percent of what I wanted joshcryer Oct 2013 #27

The new deal didn't happen because people asked for the new deal. redgreenandblue Oct 2013 #29

Agree. Bill Maher had a great New Rules a couple years back where he said this. cui bono Oct 2013 #30

Great for comedy, not good for politics. merrily Oct 2013 #42

Well of course he pushed it to the extreme to make it funny and poke fun at how crazy the other cui bono Oct 2013 #48

Yes. merrily Oct 2013 #51

There is no negotiation on allowing a vote on a clean Continuing Resolution. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #39

Negotiation 101 You don't open with your last, best offer. merrily Oct 2013 #40

So far during this stupid shut down, I'm pretty proud of the democrats. I B Calm Oct 2013 #67

There is no ground so low that they won't take it. ananda Oct 2013 #76

Clever way to win a war, or ... GeorgeGist Oct 2013 #77

The Country IS Moving Left... KharmaTrain Oct 2013 #78

Our side gets it. "Our" elected representatives don't "get it". stillwaiting Oct 2013 #79

This tactic works 99% of the time. DireStrike Oct 2013 #81