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pipoman

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131. Letting a crazed person

Reply to Live and Learn (Reply #83)

Fri Oct 4, 2013, 09:31 AM

Oct 2013

crash barricades and who knows what or who else go is protecting the child?

Come on now..

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They couldn't shoot out the tires? Did this have to end with a woman's death infront of a child. [View all] diabeticman Oct 2013 OP

After she crashed into a police car to escape ... JoePhilly Oct 2013 #1

They couldn't shoot her car instead? Coyotl Oct 2013 #3

They probably shot at the thing that controls the car. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #13

Was there a first grade class in front of her? former9thward Oct 2013 #54

No, downtown DC is a ghost town mid-day.... EX500rider Oct 2013 #177

Not to be a jerk, but aren't you dealing in hypotheticals just as much as the OP? nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #81

Well, we know that they did not dive on the ground, roll, and then shoot out the tires. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #142

Agreed. n/t nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #192

I thought the same thing at first, but after watching the video ... MH1 Oct 2013 #16

I'm just amazed that the baby was not injured in the hail of bullets.... TheDebbieDee Oct 2013 #88

Cars can still travel on flat tires ripcord Oct 2013 #152

Cops firing at an fleeing car isn't threatening the public? Cerridwen Oct 2013 #10

She smashed into a police car ... which means she is willing to risk the ives of others. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #17

I'm glad they "knew" that since they apparently Cerridwen Oct 2013 #27

Have you ever visited DC? JoePhilly Oct 2013 #32

So there weren't people in the line of fire and Cerridwen Oct 2013 #35

I have been there plenty of times. former9thward Oct 2013 #56

Right, a person who smashed into a police car is no danger to anyone. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #145

how on earth were they to know she wasn't a danger? cali Oct 2013 #157

She got out of the car unarmed. former9thward Oct 2013 #165

I assume you have law enforcement experience? DragonBorn Oct 2013 #171

At the point she was at she was not a threat to anyone, bomb or no bomb. former9thward Oct 2013 #173

How do you know? DragonBorn Oct 2013 #174

Link? dgibby Oct 2013 #176

Sure. former9thward Oct 2013 #189

Thanks. Appreciate it. n/t dgibby Oct 2013 #190

Sure, going 80mph+ and running lights... EX500rider Oct 2013 #180

We gun down speeders now? former9thward Oct 2013 #188

Yes, she was shot for speeding.. EX500rider Oct 2013 #194

When she was shot she was doing none of that. former9thward Oct 2013 #195

Actually she was shot for doing ALL of that. n/t EX500rider Oct 2013 #198

At least you admitted it. former9thward Oct 2013 #199

And you have seen this or can link to it? Duckhunter935 Oct 2013 #201

Link to what? former9thward Oct 2013 #205

How do you know what they were aiming at? Barack_America Oct 2013 #20

They were firing in the direction of the car as it was speeding away. Cerridwen Oct 2013 #29

According to news I read dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #31

Did ya see the picture of the other car? Cerridwen Oct 2013 #37

The totalled police car Abq_Sarah Oct 2013 #57

"was being deployed." Cerridwen Oct 2013 #62

They are large metal poles Abq_Sarah Oct 2013 #66

Got that part. Cerridwen Oct 2013 #70

I have no idea Abq_Sarah Oct 2013 #71

Thanks. I hope we both know more in the weeks to come. Cerridwen Oct 2013 #72

She had passed the barriers before they were deployed. dgibby Oct 2013 #89

they are not instantaneous, probuably she cleared it as it was rising the cop car did not loli phabay Oct 2013 #141

She was armed. William769 Oct 2013 #73

Yeah, the situation was pretty confused dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #161

She didn't fire at anyone because she didn't have a weapon in the car. She had sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #86

I share your thoughts on this me b zola Oct 2013 #96

Great response. think Oct 2013 #133

Thank you. Sadly it seems we are in the minority on this. What a statement sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #170

Probably because dgibby Oct 2013 #191

Watch the video on the sidebar. She could have killed someone and ffr Oct 2013 #2

They also are duty bound to protect people that go crazy. It is not their fault they go crazy. Coyotl Oct 2013 #5

Not if the crazy person is a risk to others. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #21

The way she was driving the car was use of a deadly weapon MiniMe Oct 2013 #36

Of course it's not their fault theHandpuppet Oct 2013 #69

The police had no idea about her mental status, dgibby Oct 2013 #92

They could have disable the car with there guns. I personally don't feel protected when it seems diabeticman Oct 2013 #14

How exactly? JoePhilly Oct 2013 #22

You, too, have been watching too much tv. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #43

This is America where the only solution to any problem is violence. How come sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #87

No, they can't, Why do you think they use the spike strips when they can instead of a high-powered Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #175

Is it a good idea to shoot a car carrying explosives? ecstatic Oct 2013 #119

right right Jeneral2885 Oct 2013 #124

not likely, the sop is to kill the the trigger so to speak ie the driver loli phabay Oct 2013 #144

I agree. But the majority of people these days Live and Learn Oct 2013 #4

So this was "punishment" and not protecting the public and, frankly, the child? pipoman Oct 2013 #47

Shooting into the car was protecting the child? Live and Learn Oct 2013 #83

Letting a crazed person pipoman Oct 2013 #131

What does stopping a highly dangerous person who is already using her car... Walk away Oct 2013 #97

no one is in a position to second guess anything at this point. Richardo Oct 2013 #6

A tire seems like as big a target as a human head or torso. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #79

Go try it, then get back to us... pipoman Oct 2013 #132

Okay, but unlike the cops in DC, I think I'll start with the tire. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #183

After about a dozen trys pipoman Oct 2013 #193

If the tires are run-flat then a shot to them won't stop the car. whopis01 Oct 2013 #206

Thought of this too, of course, elleng Oct 2013 #7

Imagine they did and then she still drives off and kills someone! nt Logical Oct 2013 #8

Oh well that has been the standing order, shoot to kill. Rex Oct 2013 #9

And barely possible with the person moving 30 feet in front of you.. pipoman Oct 2013 #42

Yeah with a pistol more than likely. Rex Oct 2013 #44

Started in front of the WH...ended in front of the Capitol...so...um, no. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #11

You can't know what someone doesn't have until after the fact. Barack_America Oct 2013 #12

She ran over a cop johnd83 Oct 2013 #15

And if she would have killed someone nobodyspecial Oct 2013 #18

This isn't a televison show where the police/ sheriff / or the good guy shoots out the tires. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #19

Thank you. People watch way too much goddamn TV. nt Nay Oct 2013 #39

+ 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #45

We haven't had Cable in 4 years! This was secret service, capitol police FBI basically the best diabeticman Oct 2013 #64

they probuably did not have stingers to deploy, plus they are difficult to deploy loli phabay Oct 2013 #138

Shoot the gun out of his hand! Skeeter Barnes Oct 2013 #75

They should have shot Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #95

Okay, I give. Why is a human head or torso an easier target than a tire? Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #80

Because shooting a trie doesn't stop the deadly weapon the person is driveing Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #158

Ha, those kind of cop shows went out with 1-Adam-12. Live and Learn Oct 2013 #84

It was not a deadly weapon. oneshooter Oct 2013 #200

that was my thought also gopiscrap Oct 2013 #23

putting bullets in tires will not stop a car, especially with puncture resistant tires. nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #24

How could they know she didn't have a gun?? Or a bomb? She was Lil Missy Oct 2013 #25

We don't live in a hollywood fantasy... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #26

+ 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #46

I remember, a year or so ago, in my area, a high speed chase... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #60

No we don't live in a Hollywood Fantasy. We live in an extremely violent sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #172

I don't see how your post is relevant... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #187

Did you know she was mentally ill? oneshooter Oct 2013 #204

"She acted like a terrorist" Holy fuck! think Oct 2013 #207

How sad! sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #210

They had no idea what they were dealing with. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #28

She wasn't shot Abq_Sarah Oct 2013 #61

Link please. dgibby Oct 2013 #94

Not a flame but... nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #30

Exactly, just like people who say you can shoot people in legs or arms... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #38

People watch too much tv. You don't shoot tires or engines NightWatcher Oct 2013 #33

What was she trying to do? Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2013 #34

I had the opportunity to try this Hollywood pipoman Oct 2013 #40

You've watching way too many bad tv shows and movies. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #41

She was black... HipChick Oct 2013 #48

your experience is enough to make us wonder whether race wasn't a factor here Supersedeas Oct 2013 #126

i think the shooter was blue, not that it matters. loli phabay Oct 2013 #148

This ended this way because she tried to drive her car through the WH gates Marrah_G Oct 2013 #49

From what I've read around the net, not just about this tragedy damnedifIknow Oct 2013 #50

I think this is not instinct, but training. robinlynne Oct 2013 #53

Shooting her car might have killed several people, inlcuyidng the baby. I see your point, robinlynne Oct 2013 #51

They could have tased her xfundy Oct 2013 #52

Trank darts are very iffy TheMightyFavog Oct 2013 #63

Tranquilizing darts are lethal in a lot of cases, and unreliable in others... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #68

Did you see the video? The windows were up (and tinted), dgibby Oct 2013 #93

Just want to point out that the car ecstatic Oct 2013 #121

can't say that with surety handmade34 Oct 2013 #208

You knew when it was happening that she didn't have a gun? Why didn't you tell the police? brooklynite Oct 2013 #55

Did you see the pictures of the front end of her car? Abq_Sarah Oct 2013 #65

Yes it was a tragedy. But do you know what the accuracy rate is for local police? DebJ Oct 2013 #58

Where's the link to the story you're talking about? Th1onein Oct 2013 #59

This is a good read by the DOJ in PDF format on conerns over the use of deadly force damnedifIknow Oct 2013 #67

She wasn't shot when they had her surrounded. She should have gotten out and given up DevonRex Oct 2013 #74

+1000 n/t FSogol Oct 2013 #98

Amen--great post. nt raccoon Oct 2013 #117

Exactly. mnhtnbb Oct 2013 #99

That's it exactly. HappyMe Oct 2013 #102

Since when is fleeing from police a death sentence? damnedifIknow Oct 2013 #108

Since it happened in front of the WH and the Capitol... since they ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #109

Oh I see damnedifIknow Oct 2013 #111

Act like that in the nation's Capitol, in front of the residence of a man ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #112

The answer to that was in my post above. DevonRex Oct 2013 #186

Just a nit pick, but ..... oldhippie Oct 2013 #146

It was an unknown, and if the car was wired to explode what would have been the results if they did lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #203

A car is a weapon. krispos42 Oct 2013 #76

The lesson to be learned here is that it was too late to help her. Sivafae Oct 2013 #77

+ infinity. That is the answer. nt stevenleser Oct 2013 #115

We had a case such as this in our city.... with the same result. I'm sorry she was killed but for NotThisTime Oct 2013 #78

Perhaps they lacked your super powers.... Riftaxe Oct 2013 #82

I'm as sensitive to the notion, and reality, of excessive force by police as anybody is nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #85

You do realize the police had no way of knowing if she had a gun or a bomb in the car, right? n/t dgibby Oct 2013 #90

you have only Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #91

Because of the shut down, I heard the cops were not on the payroll. B Calm Oct 2013 #100

Yes it is. HappyMe Oct 2013 #118

She shouldn't have been shooting at the police and giving chase. ileus Oct 2013 #101

She wasn't shooting as she had no gun maddezmom Oct 2013 #104

The car FlaGranny Oct 2013 #103

not flamed Dorian Gray Oct 2013 #105

I agree. you pose the exact question I've been asking myself all morning. nt ellenrr Oct 2013 #106

You're thinking of Superman and Batman, not cops. randome Oct 2013 #107

For the police cruiser to be as mangled as it is, the car didn't seem that damaged LaydeeBug Oct 2013 #110

The police cruiser was not hit by her car. It hit a barrier after losing control. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #113

Oh, I see. I didn't know that, so thank you LaydeeBug Oct 2013 #114

wow Jeneral2885 Oct 2013 #125

Wha--? ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #128

did they know if she had a bomb in the car and was gonna ram a building of senators? did they know seabeyond Oct 2013 #116

would they know so much? Jeneral2885 Oct 2013 #127

ya. what does that have to do with it. she tried going into the white house. seabeyond Oct 2013 #130

I wish it had ended better too. HappyMe Oct 2013 #135

that is how i see it. as sad as it is. as much as i would like it to be different. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #137

No, she didn't *have* to die. nt RedCappedBandit Oct 2013 #120

She injured a cop. That sends them into a tizzy. apnu Oct 2013 #122

So you care for the child? Jeneral2885 Oct 2013 #123

Easier said than done. GoCubsGo Oct 2013 #129

i think that stat is low, to qualify you have to get eighty percent and above loli phabay Oct 2013 #153

Regardless... GoCubsGo Oct 2013 #159

hell i am an expert shot with all my weapons and i would be lucky with a whole loli phabay Oct 2013 #160

Exactly. n/t GoCubsGo Oct 2013 #163

This was a no win situation for the police Democat Oct 2013 #134

LOL cbdo2007 Oct 2013 #136

problem with shooting tires is that a lot of the time the round bouces off loli phabay Oct 2013 #139

That's what I'm thinking. Too much action movie comparisons going on here. randome Oct 2013 #151

yup, from experience tires are not something you want to shoot at with a handgun loli phabay Oct 2013 #155

a person fires shots into a crowd... ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2013 #140

I'm going to answer your querstion honestly. Savannahmann Oct 2013 #143

'Shoot first'? Did you see the video? randome Oct 2013 #149

Yes I did. Savannahmann Oct 2013 #162

My point was that they clearly did not 'shoot first' the first time they had her surrounded. randome Oct 2013 #164

Denigrating? Savannahmann Oct 2013 #167

Excellent post nt JonLP24 Oct 2013 #154

Good points.nt ecstatic Oct 2013 #166

+1 nt Live and Learn Oct 2013 #181

I thought you said below that the cops were making a risky move by shooting her onenote Oct 2013 #196

You need to read the entire respone Savannahmann Oct 2013 #211

So I'm, wondering... how precisely would you have accomplished the same outcome LanternWaste Oct 2013 #147

Interesting demand. Zero risk. Savannahmann Oct 2013 #182

we are left only with our powers of prophecy. LanternWaste Oct 2013 #184

They shoulda just used the Force! Seeking Serenity Oct 2013 #150

I'm fine with the way the police handled the situation. aikoaiko Oct 2013 #156

OMGZZZ In front of a ChilD!!!!11! MNBrewer Oct 2013 #168

"Shoot out the tires" is about as realistic as "Set Phasers to Stun". Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #169

I agree up to the point where ann--- Oct 2013 #178

She had already hit someone with her car and backed into a police car then narrowly missed hitting appleannie1 Oct 2013 #179

Why didn't the CIA hack into the car and turn off the engine? sagat Oct 2013 #185

The thing is a spike strip solves the problem damnedifIknow Oct 2013 #197

Sorry Emoprogs - in case you didn't know underthematrix Oct 2013 #202

after reading a number of reports handmade34 Oct 2013 #209