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cthulu2016

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20. Leonardo did not paint that
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 03:19 PM
Oct 2013

There's no doubt somebody painted it from that sketch. Somebody might have even finished it from an abandoned Leonardo panel or canvas.

And I do not doubt that it is quite old. (Though after 1499, of course.)

But FFS... Leonardo did not paint THAT. It's awful in all the ways a Leonardo painting is not awful. Tenuous/hesitant line, lack of sense of underlying forms, flat-out incompetent drapery effects... not Leonardo. This painter doesn't even understand the shape of the woman's nose that leonardo's drawing indicates... he is not "reading" the drawing correctly.

And that hair... Leonardo, the great observer of organic form doing essentially a repeated fabric pattern... a symbolof hair, rather than hair. No sense the neck is cylindrical (and thus no understanding of the "why" of the shadow, only the "where.&quot

There's a trick to these things. Does the painter know things the drawing doesn't tell? The real artist knows more than the drawing tells. The copyist knows less. Wherever the drawing doesn't give a clear guide to everything the painting falls apart.

The plant frond in her hand and her crown are not deliniated in the drawing. If the painitng is not by Leonardo we would expect those specific elements to be notably worse then other elements. And they are. Simple, un-nuanced and amatuerish. (The headband lighly implied in the drawing is, by the way, correct in its lack of roundness. The bottom line of the crown is more curved to make the crown look rounder... again, a symbol of a crown, not a crown.)

I mentioned the hair before. Leonardo didn't mess much with the hair because that was not his concern in the drawing, which is mostly about a profile. The hair is thus just a mass. (Maybe even in a net, which was common back then.) So the copyist has no instructions for the hair, and the painted hair is insubstansial and weak. But where the drawing says exactly what to do, the painting gets better.

Which is not to say it has never been sold as a Leonardo and bought as a Leonardo and stored away by somebody thinking it was a Leonardo.

I don't doubt that it has been.

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Treasures like this should NEVER be in private hands! nt onehandle Oct 2013 #1
Indeed. 2naSalit Oct 2013 #2
Why not? SheilaT Oct 2013 #3
.... A HERETIC I AM Oct 2013 #4
Well said. nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #5
The unelected 'manager' of Detroit wants to sell off their art museum. onehandle Oct 2013 #7
Can you see even a teensy difference between that situation SheilaT Oct 2013 #8
No. onehandle Oct 2013 #10
My family hid their treasures from the Nazis in Swiss bank vaults. msanthrope Oct 2013 #24
Well, Swiss bank accounts ain't what they used to be. onehandle Oct 2013 #25
My family hid "art of note." We bought it. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #28
Well, send your Da Vinci's to the nearest museum. onehandle Oct 2013 #29
+1 nt Earth_First Oct 2013 #12
+1. Unfortunately, there will always be people who want to take ..... oldhippie Oct 2013 #15
I disagree. Earth_First Oct 2013 #6
In 500 years you will be dead. onehandle Oct 2013 #9
Maybe my family will still enjoy it in 500 years... Earth_First Oct 2013 #11
Is there anything else privately owned that you Jenoch Oct 2013 #31
I support a hefty Inheritance Tax that whould apply to priceless works of Art. bvar22 Oct 2013 #34
How do you know that they didn't buy it directly from da Vinci? GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #13
Bingo. SheilaT Oct 2013 #14
Tell that to the Barnes Foundation blogslut Oct 2013 #16
So he built a museum and gallery to benefit artists and the arts. onehandle Oct 2013 #17
What about great art that hangs in the homes of people with whom you politically align? blogslut Oct 2013 #21
I am a bit surprised at the discussion here BrotherIvan Oct 2013 #18
They kept all that art locked in a vault? treestar Oct 2013 #19
Leonardo did not paint that cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #20
Agree Vanje Oct 2013 #23
I don't think this is an original painting of Leonardo. OldEurope Oct 2013 #22
du rec. xchrom Oct 2013 #26
The painting doesn't look like a Da Vinci to me MNBrewer Oct 2013 #27
Thanks for posting, and from CS Monitor: Jefferson23 Oct 2013 #30
One thing that does bother me about the painting. > BlueJazz Oct 2013 #32
Poor lady. She's missing some fingers. progressoid Oct 2013 #33
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