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abelenkpe

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70. The lesson learned from teachers and school

Sat Mar 3, 2012, 12:45 PM

Mar 2012

is to think for yourself. My nieces being brought up and home schooled by my high school drop out mother who doesn't want them indoctrinated by public schools who teach (gasp!) evolution, protecting the environment and actual history are not learning to think for themselves. They are little parrots of my bigoted, close minded mother.
Homeschooling is child abuse when the aim is to cut off children from learning things that don't mesh with one's world view.
Can children be home schooled and learn to think for themselves? Sure. But all those that I know who home school are doing it to keep their children away from those with differing opinions and back grounds fearing indoctrination. I've heard that not all families who choose to home school are like that, but have yet to meet any. Surely my mom is an example of how it should not be done.

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What Makes People Think They Are Qualified To Teach Their Own Kids? [View all] we can do it Mar 2012 OP

People who don't have a strong education Drale Mar 2012 #1

False. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #4

Being Able To Read Does Not Mean You Are Able to Teach we can do it Mar 2012 #13

Being educated to teach does not mean you are motivated to teach. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #26

So your father understands and can teach everything? Drahthaardogs Mar 2012 #53

Everything of any importance. Yes. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #61

The lesson learned from teachers and school abelenkpe Mar 2012 #70

Two things lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #74

Parroting my mother isn't independent thinking abelenkpe Mar 2012 #82

And that is absolutely the goal... WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #99

sO aRE yOU aN eNGINEER oR a lUMBERJACK? we can do it Mar 2012 #72

I AM a person. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #76

Your dad knows "everything of any importance"? TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #130

He knew the fallacy of the straw man. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #131

Unfortunately he didn't seem able to teach at least one of his kids about bombast TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #139

Which high school teacher taught you open heart surgery? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #150

Which surgeon was home schooled on the art or surgery? TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #166

Wow thanks, you've hit the nail on the head. we can do it Mar 2012 #134

Are you a P.E.? Drahthaardogs Mar 2012 #153

The piece of paper is very important to you is it? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #154

Fail. U4ikLefty Mar 2012 #157

You're entitled to your opinion. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #160

Actually, I know what the law usually requires Drahthaardogs Mar 2012 #176

There are lots of PE's who just wield a stamp. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #178

Most specs are REVIEWED and STAMPED by a P.E.! Drahthaardogs Mar 2012 #179

You're just wrong. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #181

No no, I got it. Drahthaardogs Mar 2012 #182

What specific degree would one have to hold ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #183

Engineering is a degree. Drahthaardogs Mar 2012 #187

there is no 'stamp' for a network design ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #200

That is because network engineering is not really engineering in a classical sense. Drahthaardogs Mar 2012 #210

If the piece of paper brings meaning to your life, I'm happy for you. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #225

that's funny about what we did and did not learn ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #230

But you need to know where to look up the information and what to look up. kemah Mar 2012 #218

I learned the quadratic equation in high school XemaSab Mar 2012 #222

Okay. Stop all of you. Broad brush is going to kill us here. roguevalley Mar 2012 #57

Direct your "broad brush" ire at the OP lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #67

Wow You Really Think Teachers Do It Just For the Money we can do it Mar 2012 #71

Of course. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #78

I said "just for the money" we can do it Mar 2012 #81

People choose a career for many reasons. They work for only one reason. Money. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #84

You are ignorant in the extreme. I've been a public school teacher for over 35 years. 11 Bravo Mar 2012 #132

You would find another gig if the paychecks dried up. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #133

You flatly stated that "People work for only one reason. Money." 11 Bravo Mar 2012 #156

Get back to me when you choose to work for zero. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #159

drop down. it was meant for someone else. I never said education. roguevalley Mar 2012 #90

If I didn't take an active role in my kids education, they would fail. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #111

I applaud parents that help. That is key but it doesn't make you 'qualified' to be a teacher roguevalley Mar 2012 #220

LOL. Devil_Fish Mar 2012 #196

Neither does being hired as a teacher. nt Incitatus Mar 2012 #219

Poorly put. Igel Mar 2012 #29

Sure. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #44

Were the homeschoolers pre-selected? tnvoter Mar 2012 #79

"Homeschooling industry"? Is it profitable? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #83

I know three families that home-schooled... meaculpa2011 Mar 2012 #87

Did your dad homeschool you? 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #94

Yes, my father was a self-educated man who quit school in the 8th grade to help his family farm jwirr Mar 2012 #109

"Education" means different things to different people. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #113

I Agree and They Don't Feel It's Important Either we can do it Mar 2012 #15

I call bs mzteris Mar 2012 #24

But apparently someone in your family found the value of an education. we can do it Mar 2012 #37

I didn't dissuade my homeschooled kid, either. mzteris Mar 2012 #41

Not Bashing, Just Questioning Because Not All Are Good or Competent we can do it Mar 2012 #50

Please enlighten us on your personal experience. mzteris Mar 2012 #149

That depends on why your parents did not go to college malaise Mar 2012 #75

My, what drival Drale Johnson20 Mar 2012 #147

as a person with only a high school education Maine-ah Mar 2012 #205

Sorry, no they sometimes value education more nadine_mn Mar 2012 #231

It's funny how this works lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #2

Parents need to support their kid's classroom at a minimum. EFerrari Mar 2012 #6

Parents who are this uninterested in the issue rarely attempt homeschooling. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #18

And yet, it can be both. nt EFerrari Mar 2012 #33

and you know what? mzteris Mar 2012 #28

Degrees are just "little pieces of paper"? EFerrari Mar 2012 #35

I have a little piece of paper, too. mzteris Mar 2012 #36

some people can earn a degree, but not be able to teach. Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #97

But denigrating a college education out of hand EFerrari Mar 2012 #104

I can see Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #114

Actually I wasn't referring to the "degree" mzteris Mar 2012 #213

oh, ok- I got it now. Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #223

Straw man. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #118

Nope. Not only did the OP not say what you claim EFerrari Mar 2012 #121

I didn't. mzteris Mar 2012 #212

"It's about imparting knowledge to others." This is the Thread Winner. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #138

Absent evidence to the contrary, yes. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #116

A degree is not a measure of intellect. boppers Mar 2012 #193

Helping Kids with Homework and Work Ethic Is One Thing we can do it Mar 2012 #7

As a high school English and communication teacher Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #9

The crucial period in a child's development and therefore education JDPriestly Mar 2012 #22

You're making it simpler than possible. Igel Mar 2012 #86

"Some parents can homeschool. Some can't." lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #88

They have done it for centuries before it became a business where you had to apply The Straight Story Mar 2012 #3

+100 lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #5

Well of Course You Do... we can do it Mar 2012 #10

Besides, people who send kids to public schools are freaks The Straight Story Mar 2012 #12

What Makes People Think Others Are Not Qualified to Teach Their Own Kids? joeglow3 Mar 2012 #8

I Am NOT a Teacher, Just Someone Who Values Education we can do it Mar 2012 #11

Maybe you can explain to us all what YOU think makes someone qualified? (nt) The Straight Story Mar 2012 #14

Apparently You Think Being 46 Years Old Is Good Enough we can do it Mar 2012 #16

Are you a parent? n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #32

Imagine that. You did not answer the question. joeglow3 Mar 2012 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #34

(hehe) we can do it Mar 2012 #42

Did you notice its been changed? we can do it Mar 2012 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #60

Yeah, it was kind of funny :) (nt) The Straight Story Mar 2012 #64

Do you teach your child science? JDPriestly Mar 2012 #43

And you feel public education doing well? ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #47

I am not totally opposed to homeschooling, but generally, I am very happy with JDPriestly Mar 2012 #143

we are hardly elite... ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #161

Your kids go to JFK in the Bronx? nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #191

No beginning in second and fourth grades respectively, they went to public JDPriestly Mar 2012 #194

Transfer then to JFK for a few years and get back Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #202

My children are out of college now. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #233

Thanks for expanding on this. Quite a few excellent points. we can do it Mar 2012 #55

No, the points made are from the perspective of someone ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #56

Your situation sounds fantastic. It does not apply to every other situtaion. we can do it Mar 2012 #59

You're right...it IS fantastic and undoubtedly unusual ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #62

That was not my intention with my post. we can do it Mar 2012 #69

I love my parents, and my mother was a teacher, but I would not JDPriestly Mar 2012 #145

Does that mean you are projecting your difficulties ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #162

Do you fight to prevent homeschools from experiencing these things? joeglow3 Mar 2012 #107

That's gonna leave a mark. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #115

Actually, I remember that post and I wrote in favor of allowing homeschooled JDPriestly Mar 2012 #140

Yes, we have chemistry lab supplied by the place we do home schooling through The Straight Story Mar 2012 #120

That last line is why I joined WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #168

Welcome to DU The Straight Story Mar 2012 #170

Thanks nt WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #172

For what its worth I'm not against home school if the parents are qualified, we can do it Mar 2012 #186

There we agree - kids do deserve a good education WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #188

Prussia intruduced compulsory education in 1763; they started teaching to the test in 1788 FarCenter Mar 2012 #163

Teaching is a profession treestar Mar 2012 #177

Guess how many of my college professors had education degrees... joeglow3 Mar 2012 #192

It is a priority WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #216

Professionals keep up with their profession treestar Mar 2012 #224

That's sort of making my point - but through another door WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #227

I seriously doubt that all teacher training is now obsolete treestar Mar 2012 #228

I'll try to address - but I have to bring you back to what we were talking about WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #229

One Word: Anosognosia dynasaw Mar 2012 #17

Best Answer. we can do it Mar 2012 #25

If he thinks it will get him more attention... Yes. SalviaBlue Mar 2012 #19

Because quite frankly mzteris Mar 2012 #20

I know 2 home school families very well ... and they are like night and day. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #21

Thanks For the Great Examples. we can do it Mar 2012 #31

no they're not "great examples" mzteris Mar 2012 #39

Speak for yourself please. we can do it Mar 2012 #63

Your posting in this threads makes it clear you don't have a clue. joeglow3 Mar 2012 #108

Did I say either example was "typical"?? JoePhilly Mar 2012 #73

I can assure you my hs'ing mzteris Mar 2012 #151

That's fine ... but I did not claim your home schooling was ineffective ... JoePhilly Mar 2012 #171

here's the problem - mzteris Mar 2012 #208

One thing I should have mentioned initially - who protects the kids we can do it Mar 2012 #184

I agree, I would not consider it treestar Mar 2012 #23

What if your kid is getting bullied at school? Fumesucker Mar 2012 #52

That would be a good reason to do it, I suppose treestar Mar 2012 #54

And this would be the responsibility of the parents - why? WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #80

Because they're the parents jeff47 Mar 2012 #102

I meant why is it the responsibility of the parent.... WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #103

Because that might be in their kid's best interest jeff47 Mar 2012 #117

I think we are agreeing WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #123

I thought the issue was, are the parents sure they are qualified to teach treestar Mar 2012 #175

Simple Rod Mollise Mar 2012 #27

The student teacher ratio is a lot lower FarCenter Mar 2012 #30

Oh great, more anti-homeschooling BS. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #38

Don't you love how mzteris Mar 2012 #40

our homeschooling experience ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #45

Awesome! Your daughter is SOOOOO lucky! Odin2005 Mar 2012 #49

There are actually three of them ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #51

You are a great parent! I wish I had been homeschooled. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #92

i am just the provider in this equation ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #95

Do you, or will you, homeschool them all the way through high school? Prometheus Bound Mar 2012 #167

That is a decision we will make when we get there ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #174

It's the HSing = Religious Nut-Job assumption. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #48

My nieces and nephew live in my mothers basement abelenkpe Mar 2012 #77

Those nuts are the exception, not the rule. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #93

I figured they were a bad example abelenkpe Mar 2012 #98

So we demonize groups for stereotypes now? nt WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #101

Some do abelenkpe Mar 2012 #105

Couldn't agree more WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #112

Can I blast all public schools because of suicides of gay students joeglow3 Mar 2012 #110

extremist examples mzteris Mar 2012 #142

I hear you. Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #85

no one likes to talk about it, but mzteris Mar 2012 #146

I have a homeschooling cousin that claims Gawd tells her they are qualified tridim Mar 2012 #46

I have met a lot of families who are raising their kids cbayer Mar 2012 #65

do you have kids? Voice for Peace Mar 2012 #66

Robert A. Heinlein on education: Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #68

But Kip was a genius TexasBill Mar 2012 #137

before reading all the other comments, let me answer this FirstLight Mar 2012 #89

the person who posted the OP doesn't deserve such a thoughtful response Enrique Mar 2012 #96

thanks... FirstLight Mar 2012 #100

Troll??hahahah Bigot - Um-No we can do it Mar 2012 #125

This message was self-deleted by its author Enrique Mar 2012 #91

Is this why homeschooled kids are usually way behind hughee99 Mar 2012 #119

link please lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #124

Will this do? hughee99 Mar 2012 #127

That helps a great deal. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #135

Is this why hs'd kids are sought by Universities mzteris Mar 2012 #215

My home school college diploma B Calm Mar 2012 #122

What makes you think they are not capable? etherealtruth Mar 2012 #126

I didn't say or imply all are not capable. we can do it Mar 2012 #129

My preference is that my children receive a public education etherealtruth Mar 2012 #136

All good reasons, yet many whose kids have safety issues don't have the resources to home school. we can do it Mar 2012 #141

Now that is a fight that I am willing to participate in! etherealtruth Mar 2012 #144

Yes you did. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #152

I did not say that, try reading for comprehension we can do it Mar 2012 #180

My main objection to it frazzled Mar 2012 #128

arrogance and racism pitohui Mar 2012 #148

what if they want to homeschool because their Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #204

You know, I'm surprised mzteris Mar 2012 #155

It seems you've never met or heard of neglectful or abusive parents? we can do it Mar 2012 #185

As a former foster mom, mzteris Mar 2012 #209

Unfortunately, in my experience there is little correlation between "people with teaching degrees" Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #158

And what makes people think they will have the time working two jobs or glinda Mar 2012 #164

you think homeschoolers get tax breaks??? HAHAHAHAHA! n/t ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #173

they will want them glinda Mar 2012 #195

Homeschooling is probably good for kids who would be the youngest in their class FarCenter Mar 2012 #165

Instinct! samfarkus Mar 2012 #169

Is is not true that "All children are born geniusses." FarCenter Mar 2012 #189

As someone who substitutes in schools and volunteers in both my daughters's classes, Jennicut Mar 2012 #190

OK, I'll bite. What makes people think institutional learning is the best way... joshcryer Mar 2012 #197

After reading this thread, I am so glad I wasn't homeschooled. Withywindle Mar 2012 #198

hs kids are not kept in a closet mzteris Mar 2012 #211

Sometimes homeschooling is the better alternative rebecca_herman Mar 2012 #199

Because we all do it quaker bill Mar 2012 #201

There is more than one good answer, and then there's my sig line saras Mar 2012 #203

I have a friend who is doing it and it's working - TBF Mar 2012 #206

Most of us would do okay with 1 or 2 kids. rucky Mar 2012 #207

Ten thousand years of success? Iggo Mar 2012 #214

Great answer. (nt) NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #236

Maybe looking at the crop some high schools have been producing lately. nt Incitatus Mar 2012 #217

What makes people think they are qualified to HAVE kids? cleanhippie Mar 2012 #221

Knowledge doesn't equal ability to teach. Mendocino Mar 2012 #226

some people are, some people aren't it's no black and white issue. dionysus Mar 2012 #232

Believe it or not, there are homeschool programs out there that offer step-by-step instructions. GoddessOfGuinness Mar 2012 #234

The reason why WovenGems Jun 2013 #235