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ljm2002

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52. It really isn't a question of what the kids deserve...

Sat Mar 3, 2012, 02:42 PM

Mar 2012

...but rather it's about the choices their parents make for them.

Children are not autonomous, making their own decisions about their schooling (for one example). For home-schooled children, their parents made the decision to educate them at home, for whatever reasons. Usually, although not always, that decision is made for religious reasons. Whatever the reason, the parents knew the rules when they madke their decision. They didn't want their children exposed to "certain ideas" and "certain elements". Well, then: they need to stand by their convictions. Allowing their children to consort with the enemy for the purpose of participating in sports, dilutes their overall message. In fact one might ask whether they really believe what they espouse? These parents should form their own sports teams, with other home-schooled children. There is nothing difficult about that.

If I were voting on this issue I would vote to exclude home schooled children from participating in sports as a member of the public school team. It's no more unfair than subjecting these children to anti-science indoctrination in the guise of "education".

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(Virginia) Senate panel kills 'Tebow bill' - homeschoolers NOT allowed on public school sports teams [View all] underpants Mar 2012 OP

Interesting. It's law in Florida. Keystone Writer Mar 2012 #1

No Pass No Play Rule apply to homeschoolers? kemah Mar 2012 #64

I don't know the specifics. Keystone Writer Mar 2012 #66

So it would seem that the Rio Grande Valley makes allowances for public school kids cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #89

Many are not "graded by mommy" karynnj Mar 2012 #158

I say Good! Sorry home schoolers...but if parents think public school is Auntie Bush Mar 2012 #2

In Delaware, private school kids were allowed to try out and play for team sports Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #8

It really isn't a question of what the kids deserve... ljm2002 Mar 2012 #52

"What they espouse" varies. A lot. Igel Mar 2012 #86

Of course there are different reasons for home schooling... ljm2002 Mar 2012 #99

i'm Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #65

Oh yes, it is sarcasm! Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #76

thanks- Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #82

It's not as if private schools would allow a Ilsa Mar 2012 #141

Actually, The French American School (a very expensive private school in San Francisco) Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #145

In many areas, the homeschooled student, if sufficiently smart, can take language courses karynnj Mar 2012 #161

100% correct malaise Mar 2012 #27

I Agree with You....You Can't Have It Both Ways we can do it Mar 2012 #33

You do realize that you are punishing the kids who may have had no choice. karynnj Mar 2012 #159

Good. Let the Freaks Stay at Home and Play In Their Safe Yards we can do it Mar 2012 #3

Elizabeth Edwards homeschooled mzmolly Mar 2012 #6

And so what if the issue is safety? Tons of kids face harm in school and going to school. Zalatix Mar 2012 #9

Yes. I home schooled and fortunately, the San Francisco school district has Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #14

Best. Idea. Ever. Zalatix Mar 2012 #23

Yes. It's pretty cool. Access to libraries. Access to administration. Access to home study with... Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #25

Agree on the issue of safety being a valid concern and the fact that homeschooling is not just for mzmolly Mar 2012 #18

I Don't Care Who Does It (my brother's kid's were for a while). Stay at Home, Play at Home we can do it Mar 2012 #32

Amen proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #34

IIRC, you are not fond of NCLB? mzmolly Mar 2012 #38

That's fine proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #42

Not necessarilly. mzmolly Mar 2012 #48

You advocate a mafia approach MattBaggins Mar 2012 #132

Absurd. mzmolly Mar 2012 #152

But if they want to take an AP class? WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #135

It's not a matter of school not being "good enough". It's a matter of children not all fitting mzmolly Mar 2012 #37

+1 Raine1967 Mar 2012 #57

So my daughter is a freak? Yeah...DU used to be a progressive big tent place... (nt) The Straight Story Mar 2012 #12

Apparently, so is mine. Thankfully, the San Francisco school district Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #15

Apparently so. mzmolly Mar 2012 #39

Well, that was bigoted... JSnuffy Mar 2012 #28

I guess a lot of people would call John Holt a right-wing nut bag Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #111

The kids are freaks because their parents home school them? Incitatus Mar 2012 #122

good decision firehorse Mar 2012 #4

Too bad... JSnuffy Mar 2012 #5

sorry, public taxation funds are not a buffet ibegurpard Mar 2012 #7

Yeah. Screw those kids for the choices their parents made. Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #10

Bravo! mzmolly Mar 2012 #41

+1 Incitatus Mar 2012 #123

+1 rucky Mar 2012 #130

No health care for illegals either (and other benefits). good call (nt) The Straight Story Mar 2012 #13

No, see, you have it wrong... Neue Regel Mar 2012 #148

Because everything exists in a vacuum, right? sadbear Mar 2012 #149

No Neue Regel Mar 2012 #150

So let me see if I have this right... I can pay for the buffet, but can't eat there because I chose cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #19

Devil's advocating: Isn't it elitist to take only the good and leave all the bad? sadbear Mar 2012 #20

So, the only good thing about public education mzmolly Mar 2012 #40

That's subjective. sadbear Mar 2012 #45

That's not the impression I get mzmolly Mar 2012 #49

Again, they're still picking a choosing sadbear Mar 2012 #55

So what. mzmolly Mar 2012 #119

Nope, it's the same as if they went to a parochial school. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #16

I agree. When our kids had an unexcused absence from school, phylny Mar 2012 #30

ding! ding! ding! winner! NuttyFluffers Mar 2012 #35

you know, that is a really catchy slogan... crimsonblue Mar 2012 #44

And don't let them see any guidance couselors either. Let them deal with their own problems. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #11

Let them get guidance from a stick in their own yard. Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #17

If they're paying state taxes that go to public schools, alongside home schooling... JNathanK Mar 2012 #21

If the kid doesn't go to the school, how can it be logical that they get to play on the school team? MNBrewer Mar 2012 #24

Financing for schools is based on attendance underpants Mar 2012 #26

Home school parents still pay taxes that go to the school though. JNathanK Mar 2012 #121

So... underpants Mar 2012 #126

I Pay Taxes Too ProfessorGAC Mar 2012 #131

That actually doesn't sound all that fair treestar Mar 2012 #137

I pay school taxes. Can I play on the football team too? dmallind Mar 2012 #138

So if the homeschooler plays on my kid's school's soccer team, SunSeeker Mar 2012 #22

Did your tax dollars help pay for the pool in the homeschooler's back yard? Didn't think so. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #43

So they test her once a year--how is that the same as earning a grade? SunSeeker Mar 2012 #47

I guess you've never heard of athletes getting good grades they didn't deserve... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #83

You really believe "Grades really don't mean shit"?! Wow. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #112

If success on the yearly test shows they've accumulated the same knowledge, I don't see the issue. JNathanK Mar 2012 #120

Talk about needing to learn a thing or two . . . proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #58

Thanks for the link. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #61

Yes it's the same proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #62

Wow, that is scary. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #69

Yes that's the proposal proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #105

Wow obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #127

That's pretty wild. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #88

Does that mean my daughter can go to one public school but play sports for a DIFFERENT ... JoePhilly Mar 2012 #81

what makes you think that a home-schooled kid Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #84

Wrong ... Where I live, Wake County NC, I have the choice of three high schools. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #91

then home schooled kids would only have the same options as yours. Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #97

Actually no ... they do NOT have the same options. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #101

if a home schooled child opted to participate in sports in one of your schools, Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #108

Nice try ... But you make no sense. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #110

I'm not arguing against your child having Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #113

I did not say the work we do at home has no impact on her grades. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #116

it doesn't seem like Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #117

Excellent series of posts in this subthread obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #128

"...that's what a local home schooled kid would be able to do." cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #85

I live in Wake County NC ... I have the choice of 3 high schools. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #92

Well if you do, so does everyone else I guess, right? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #93

But my daughter will have to pick a school to attend and then also PLAY on their team. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #94

As it should be. Your daughter SHOULD play for the school she attends. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #95

The HS kid gets to select a different ACADEMIC path ... but my daughter does not. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #96

Oh... you're anti-home schooling. I see now. It's only about THAT. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author JoePhilly Mar 2012 #102

No, I am not anti-home schooling. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #103

Oh damn. I sincerely apologize. I read some other posts that were anti and I thought they were cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #106

NP ... JoePhilly Mar 2012 #109

Oops. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #107

Could daughter join a private sports league? alp227 Mar 2012 #154

wow... talk about prejudice- Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #59

Disagreeing with you is not prejudice. Homeschoolers cost schools money. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #60

where do you think the funding comes from for schools? Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #63

Each homeschooler in my area costs my school $7,200 per year. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #67

where do you think the reimbursement comes from? Not from you alone- Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #68

Homeschoolers need to change the law so a school is reimbursed for the benefits it provides them. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #72

I fear that this debate could be used to allow home schoolers to opt out of funding public school JNathanK Mar 2012 #124

What does your link have to do with this? WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #79

If the homeschooler had attended that school, it would get $7,200 per year. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #155

So where do the parents taxes go? WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #162

It depends on your state. Usually it goes into a general fund, to be allocated to state services, SunSeeker Mar 2012 #170

Trying to explain a wrong point repeatedly doesn't all of a sudden make it correct WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #172

I'm not wrong. Schools are funded based on attendance, not what the parents pay in taxes. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #175

I do realize that it is not a zero sum on the state level WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #176

Welcome to DU. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #177

Thanks SunSeeker WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #178

....and for your convenience WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #173

Homeschooling is the functional equivalent of an unexcused absence. nt SunSeeker Mar 2012 #174

Hahahahahaha, your humor is so dry, I almost took it seriously. thanks for the big laugh uppityperson Mar 2012 #90

Yeah, I guess I should use more emoticons. ;) nt SunSeeker Mar 2012 #115

Best post of the bunch I've read. alp227 Mar 2012 #153

good obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #29

Dumb move Elric Mar 2012 #31

It's just as well... Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #36

#2 is THE reason it's been pushed in so many areas obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #129

kids should go to normal school... crimsonblue Mar 2012 #46

ah, another person completely oblivious to how homeschooling can work n/t ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #50

or how public and private school work! whistler162 Mar 2012 #98

I agree somewhat Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #51

Many places allot tax dollars based on student numbers. Cerridwen Mar 2012 #53

the collective tax base of every taxpayer in the district is less in Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #70

If there are all these homeschooled kids out there - why don't they form their own teams? LynneSin Mar 2012 #54

I'm more offended that they call this the Tebow Bill Raine1967 Mar 2012 #56

I completely agree. Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #71

You do have equal access to the school, you just choose not to go there. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #73

no, the students who live in Va. do not- as Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #75

Why should inclusion just be limited to sports; what about pep squad/cheerleading? Fla Dem Mar 2012 #133

actually the school district where I live does Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #143

Parents pay taxes to the school? JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2012 #74

yes you should have access to the school- everyone in the community should. Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #77

You should have access if you pay a fee to cover the costs--like you do in NH. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #171

Live and let Live samfarkus Mar 2012 #78

thanks- Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #80

+1 JNathanK Mar 2012 #125

I don't think I would ever even consider homeschooling my kids. Saving Hawaii Mar 2012 #87

If a kid wants to be in a sport of a public school, they should be a student of that school. n/t cynatnite Mar 2012 #104

Seems like there should be some way to compromise Bradical79 Mar 2012 #114

Compromise for what? cynatnite Mar 2012 #118

And if they want to take WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #134

I'm not against the kid going to school for a course or two if necessary... cynatnite Mar 2012 #136

"Consequences to that decision" WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #139

Of course they've got a right to a public school education... cynatnite Mar 2012 #140

And my relatives did a similar solution... WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #146

Yes, reasons can vary - but 83% say they homeschool for religion. dmallind Mar 2012 #142

kind of misleading percentage- among those who Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #144

Misleading? Direct cite. The top reason even in your pick, no? dmallind Mar 2012 #147

no- Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #151

Every homeschooler I've known (all 6) were religious fanatics. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #156

well, that is your experience- Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #163

So - which reason was higher then? Since when did the top pick from a list need to be GT 50%? dmallind Mar 2012 #165

the person I was addressing claimed that 83% of homeschoolers do so for religious reasons- Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #168

I wish the Tebow bill would have passed karynnj Mar 2012 #157

It is not a "small cost" and it would go unfunded, hurting the school. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #160

At least in NJ, the majority of the money for a school comes from local taxes karynnj Mar 2012 #167

The activities are "free" to the students of the school because by attending, SunSeeker Mar 2012 #169

I support this Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2012 #164

+1 sadbear Mar 2012 #166