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182. DLC is to blame, not Nader

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Nader blabbering on MSNBC. Still not apologizing for Bush. [View all] onehandle Feb 2012 OP

Nader is not to blame corkhead Feb 2012 #1

Well I can say this with pretty good certainty. trumad Feb 2012 #2

And I can say with certainty if the Dems didn't roll over and joeybee12 Feb 2012 #4

No mention of the 90,000 votes trumad Feb 2012 #26

Yeah, that always slips their minds. Anyone who refuses to admit that Nader, at a bare minimum ... 11 Bravo Feb 2012 #35

This is very simple trumad Feb 2012 #40

Correct! Period. Full stop. End of fucking discussion. 11 Bravo Feb 2012 #45

Exactly. This is not exactly nebulous. TheWraith Feb 2012 #139

That's hindsight. randome Feb 2012 #46

+1 Javaman Feb 2012 #51

that is badly false dsc Feb 2012 #114

if he ran a good campaign there would never be an issue as to why it was so close... Javaman Feb 2012 #132

neither did Bush 1 dsc Feb 2012 #135

you know what? Javaman Mar 2012 #146

well then why did you post in it dsc Mar 2012 #150

because yesterday, I stupidly believed it still mattered. Javaman Mar 2012 #151

Funny, that's not what Gore told me... SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #156

I would imagine that he was still considering a run for office at that time dsc Mar 2012 #157

Even more simple. If Nader had not run, the SCOTUS would have appointed Bush anyway WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2012 #124

This makes several assumptions quakerboy Mar 2012 #163

.. and you can't even spell "Nader"... dionysus Mar 2012 #142

it is a mistake to focus on Florida hfojvt Feb 2012 #10

Nader apologists trumad Feb 2012 #28

I'll go there. Javaman Feb 2012 #53

the trouble is hfojvt Feb 2012 #65

If I had a time machine I would have admittedn hitler to art school. Javaman Feb 2012 #80

that take away Nader, and Gore wins, in spite of his supposedly "bad" campaign hfojvt Feb 2012 #85

face the reality: the reason gore "lost' had nothing to do with nader noiretextatique Feb 2012 #98

again, that is all Florida hfojvt Feb 2012 #112

face the reality: the reason gore "lost' had nothing to do with nader noiretextatique Mar 2012 #160

no matter how many times you repeat a falsehood does not make it true hfojvt Mar 2012 #171

not false, just the stark, awful truth of what actually happened noiretextatique Mar 2012 #174

What actually happened was that New Hampshire went for Bush hfojvt Mar 2012 #179

florida decided the election: face the reality noiretextatique Mar 2012 #184

Not exactly. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #108

well logic would dictate hfojvt Feb 2012 #113

They didn't vote for Bush, girl gone mad Feb 2012 #137

it amounted to the same thing hfojvt Mar 2012 #152

I'm not seeing the certainty iverglas Feb 2012 #20

"Those voters apparently did not want to vote for Gore". trumad Feb 2012 #29

like I said iverglas Feb 2012 #44

Interesting. I had no idea that any of those MineralMan Feb 2012 #83

just for you iverglas Feb 2012 #92

I'm saying that unless Obama filled out the questionaire, MineralMan Feb 2012 #103

well, you know better iverglas Feb 2012 #109

This man was a state senator, a US Senator, and the majority of a term as President TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #165

there's another layer to that as well hfojvt Feb 2012 #81

If Gore lost Florida by 500 votes, then why aren't you also blaming and demanding apologies from cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #140

Holy shit! Is it REALLY your contention that of the 90,000 Florida votes cast for Nader ... 11 Bravo Feb 2012 #39

if it was really your intention iverglas Feb 2012 #54

so 538 vote for Gore... Javaman Feb 2012 #82

I haven't heard anyone say he had no right to run. I HAVE heard numerous of his defenders deny ... 11 Bravo Feb 2012 #99

wow. Javaman Feb 2012 #133

It wouldn't have mattered if Gore had had 539 additional votes... JackRiddler Mar 2012 #180

+1... Javaman Feb 2012 #55

It's just basic logic that most, not all of the votes would've went to Gore. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #68

neither you nor I can perdict how those people would have voted... Javaman Feb 2012 #79

What they saw in Nader was far closer to Gore than Bush. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #86

Frankly, I don't care anymore Javaman Mar 2012 #147

Never give up caring, Javaman Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #154

Actually, we CAN predict it, with at least some confidence. Jim Lane Mar 2012 #143

and what does that solve? Javaman Mar 2012 #148

Rehashing what can't be changed: useless. Not making the same mistake again: priceless. Jim Lane Mar 2012 #153

I guess it sucks that people run for office- LanternWaste Feb 2012 #34

Well Nader saying it's got to get worse before it gets better. trumad Feb 2012 #41

And 9/11 might have been prevented, because Gore was in the habit of listening to Richard Clarke, emulatorloo Feb 2012 #117

if Gore ran a better campaign he could have earned some of those votes lame54 Feb 2012 #125

What you said is true, but with the same logic you can also say that if Boosh had not run, corkhead Feb 2012 #128

Nader ran a campaign saying Gore = Bush. That was a lie. Nader was respected by a lot of people. libinnyandia Feb 2012 #3

Huh? randome Feb 2012 #5

When you run as a progressive candidate you have a higher standard than a DUer. libinnyandia Feb 2012 #22

So because this is a "two party system" you have the right to tell people who to vote for? A Simple Game Feb 2012 #119

Did you read my post? Where did I "tell people who to vote for?" corkhead Feb 2012 #127

I'm glad you recognize how much Anderson hurt Carter. aaaaaa5a Feb 2012 #136

Why should Nader apologize? Upton Feb 2012 #6

Nader. Vote fraud. Supreme Court. randome Feb 2012 #8

& disenfranchising voters was a civil rights issue G_j Feb 2012 #13

Had he not distanced himself from Clinton and let Clinton campaign joeybee12 Feb 2012 #17

Gore didn't distance himself from Clinton, it was the other way around. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #48

Corporate slander will always be a factor. randome Feb 2012 #70

When Gore was aggressive, they as an institution said he was ranting, when he found common ground, Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #78

We can't blame the media for all our setbacks. randome Feb 2012 #84

We can blame the corporate media when they're at fault and they were certainly at fault. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #93

oh, is that all? hfojvt Feb 2012 #11

Yeah, that's all.. Upton Feb 2012 #15

Well maybe if Gore had gotten help from 100,000 Perot voters hfojvt Feb 2012 #43

So what? randome Feb 2012 #47

Where are those goalposts? hfojvt Feb 2012 #61

Held accountable for running for President? randome Feb 2012 #75

held accountable for helping Bush into the White House hfojvt Feb 2012 #87

I agree with that. randome Feb 2012 #105

Why ? surfdog Feb 2012 #25

what part of the word Democracy don't you get? G_j Feb 2012 #30

Of course he's a delusional idiot. randome Feb 2012 #37

Why do people vote for Republicans? Rex Feb 2012 #64

You got me. randome Feb 2012 #73

Oh you got me onboard 100% for that!!! Rex Feb 2012 #116

Your slam at Kucinich is 100% wrong. Kucinich did what Nader should've done: run in the PRIMARY. Jim Lane Mar 2012 #144

Because he lied, and repeatedly lied. grantcart Feb 2012 #88

Let me know when the supreme court apologizes for Bush Autumn Feb 2012 #7

SCOTUS did not decide New Hampshire - Nader did. hfojvt Feb 2012 #16

+10,000 Rex Feb 2012 #67

It was Gore's job to appeal to the left in Florida. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #9

Yeah, EC Feb 2012 #12

I suspected that was the case with Americans Elect. AtomicKitten Feb 2012 #63

This thread is pathetic. white_wolf Feb 2012 #14

this is what Democracy looks like G_j Feb 2012 #23

oh good grief. What ever happened to logic? hfojvt Feb 2012 #27

A vote for Gore was a vote for Bush. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #33

yeah, sure, that makes perfect sense hfojvt Feb 2012 #57

Because Nader wasn't accountable. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #60

who said anything about entitled? hfojvt Feb 2012 #76

Your math is a bit flawed. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #91

uhm, no hfojvt Feb 2012 #100

OK, add NH. ZombieHorde Mar 2012 #162

sure, I am guessing hfojvt Mar 2012 #170

This is not a matter of innocence or guilt. ZombieHorde Mar 2012 #173

i find it odd that some cling to speculation noiretextatique Mar 2012 #172

yes, and should they be branded too? G_j Feb 2012 #96

Apparently the Nader voters didn't think Gore earned their vote. white_wolf Feb 2012 #36

apparently Nader voters didn't care if Bush became President hfojvt Feb 2012 #52

Apparently Nader voters did not think about the consequences emulatorloo Feb 2012 #118

For the 10th time Democrats are not entitled to any votes. white_wolf Feb 2012 #122

Right, because Republicans are entitled to win. emulatorloo Mar 2012 #168

At least they thought about the consequences in 2004. Jim Lane Mar 2012 #145

Very true. emulatorloo Mar 2012 #169

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient..." woo me with science Feb 2012 #102

I always thought the earning votes theme did not make sense treestar Feb 2012 #123

he probably thinks this thread is about him, eh? hfojvt Feb 2012 #18

Dear Ralph Nader: Thanks for the seatbelts. Chorophyll Feb 2012 #19

So which R Superpac will be funding his candidacy? Skidmore Feb 2012 #21

So... Fix The Stupid Feb 2012 #24

I wouldn't vote for Nader if he were the only candidate for the office. Period. Skidmore Feb 2012 #38

Don't disagree... Fix The Stupid Feb 2012 #89

I think Gore should apologize for Bush. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #31

No doubt, one of the repubs' SuperPacs will be 'supporting' him.... Spazito Feb 2012 #32

I guess he should if he were the one behind nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #42

Nadin, you're doing it again. Pointing out facts. white_wolf Feb 2012 #49

Just imagine, if Nader had appeared with Gore on a stage a few days before election day 2000, Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #50

That would have put Gore over the top, apparently Nader thought enough of Gore in 2006 Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #56

What a beautiful dream. It could have happened that way if Nader had chosen that route. DevonRex Feb 2012 #58

Yep. And at the time, 9/11 seemed like an isolated event from Nader... onehandle Feb 2012 #62

Just imagine, if the election had been stolen on Bush's behalf regardless, as had been intended... JackRiddler Feb 2012 #72

I'm not sure I follow. Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #77

We have no idea what the vote totals would have been without Nader... JackRiddler Mar 2012 #158

+10000000 noiretextatique Mar 2012 #175

Yeah, it's time he apologized for the Jeb Bush / Katharine Harris election fraud... JackRiddler Feb 2012 #59

"those who actually committed the coup and went on to perpetrate war crimes G_j Feb 2012 #69

It is strange how some ignore the 800 pound gorilla Rex Feb 2012 #71

nader was the fly on the elephant's ass noiretextatique Feb 2012 #94

Well said! randome Feb 2012 #106

it is truth noiretextatique Mar 2012 #176

THANK YOU! (nt) fascisthunter Feb 2012 #131

Nader didn't bring us Bush> Returning Survivor Feb 2012 #66

the gnews media wanted gore to lose. they used nader pansypoo53219 Feb 2012 #74

+ Infinity with a cherry on top. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #97

And the Jewish areas that voted for Pat Buchanan? Paulie Feb 2012 #90

Yeah ... GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #95

100 responses, Le Taz Hot Feb 2012 #101

Nader's on the SCOTUS now? Myrina Feb 2012 #104

Remind me ikri Feb 2012 #107

yes: some democrats are against democracy noiretextatique Feb 2012 #110

I miss unrec. --nt CrispyQ Feb 2012 #111

Who is funding this little attempt to split the left? aquart Feb 2012 #115

Why should he apologize? The GOP bankrolled him in 2004, for fuck's sake. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #120

And they will be bankrolling Buddy Roehmer this time . nt nanabugg Mar 2012 #183

Gore fucked the whole thing up. eom rudycantfail Feb 2012 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Feb 2012 #126

If Nader wants to be honest DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #129

lol... did the Supreme Court Select Bush or not? fascisthunter Feb 2012 #130

yes...a partisan scotus crowned shrub noiretextatique Mar 2012 #177

"dems caved 'for the good of the country" fascisthunter Mar 2012 #178

so true noiretextatique Mar 2012 #181

Wow, this thread is filled with whatchamacallit Feb 2012 #134

Your claim is false, no one on this thread, said Nader didn't have a right to run. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #141

I'm responding to the Nader hate whatchamacallit Mar 2012 #159

I believe the vast majority of these posters don't hate Nader, they hate what he did. Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #161

The only person that has the memory of Ralph Nader is........ bluestate10 Feb 2012 #138

It's ALL Nader's fault _ed_ Mar 2012 #149

Uh, you know the drill libodem Mar 2012 #155

Why should he apologize...it was not his fault...but go ahead and hate if it makes you feel better AnOhioan Mar 2012 #164

Has Gore apologized for picking Joe Lieberman yet or Bonobo Mar 2012 #166

Nor should he MNBrewer Mar 2012 #167

DLC is to blame, not Nader mdmc Mar 2012 #182