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Raffi Ella

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5. Yeah,

Sat Oct 5, 2013, 10:35 AM

Oct 2013

it's an atrocity against Our Democracy that the House TEApublicans refuse to even put up a jobs bill, much less vote on one.

From Bill Moyers:

“When the president refused to buckle to this extortion, they threw their tantrum,” Bill says. “Like the die-hards of the racist South a century and a half ago, who would destroy the union before giving up their slaves, so would these people burn down the place, sink the ship.” He goes on to tell us where the “reckless ambition” of the Republicans could lead us.

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30 Mindblowing Statistics About Americans Under The Age Of 30 [View all] dkf Oct 2013 OP

That is what happens when jobs are shipped overseas Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #1

Technology, outsourcing, globalization, greed. JaneyVee Oct 2013 #2

technology DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #60

It's certainly part of the equation The2ndWheel Oct 2013 #66

In furtherance of your point... Chan790 Oct 2013 #69

Great post thank you TeamPooka Oct 2013 #99

Outsourcing could be easily solved DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #85

Easy is a strong word The2ndWheel Oct 2013 #91

You assume so DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #122

If the fit hits the shan it won't be old farts in the street with Molotov Cocktails. nt rrneck Oct 2013 #3

That's why young men are the stat we examine. dkf Oct 2013 #4

This was one of the most sinister things you ever said. Lasher Oct 2013 #130

Truth.^^^ hedda_foil Oct 2013 #9

The very ingredients Caretha Oct 2013 #23

Yeah, Raffi Ella Oct 2013 #5

Not always the case aristocles Oct 2013 #6

Wow in Cleveland and Chicago no less. dkf Oct 2013 #8

I don't think there is a formula. Brigid Oct 2013 #39

... adirondacker Oct 2013 #51

No, three exceptions does not equal "'nuf said" RedCappedBandit Oct 2013 #16

"Data" is not the plural of anecdote n/t Fumesucker Oct 2013 #18

Since we all live at Lake Woebegone everyone's kids should be above average. nt lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #19

What was your family's gross income while these children were raised? DireStrike Oct 2013 #21

Sound like yuppie assholes. LeftyMom Oct 2013 #45

Guess so aristocles Oct 2013 #53

Silver spoons are great, eh? We need to raise your taxes. Scuba Oct 2013 #65

No silver spoons, just a work ethic aristocles Oct 2013 #67

And how do you get that type of jobs if your family is broke darkangel218 Oct 2013 #86

so he got a well paid job as financial advisor before graduating from college ? JI7 Oct 2013 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author enki23 Oct 2013 #101

so poor people don't have the right work ethic CreekDog Oct 2013 #124

They just seem oblivious to the rest of the world, don't they? nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #127

she has a boat too CreekDog Oct 2013 #128

well, I say congratulations renate Oct 2013 #79

Pleased to meet you. Allow me to introduce myself. I am Queen of May. Lasher Oct 2013 #129

What's their combined student loan debt? pscot Oct 2013 #49

parents probably paid for it JI7 Oct 2013 #56

maybe i ask what their parents do/did ? JI7 Oct 2013 #54

Notice how she doesn't answer your question. woolldog Oct 2013 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Oct 2013 #89

One family = anecdotal (even if great) SoCalDem Oct 2013 #62

Yes that's the answer. All young people should go into finance & real estate. Demit Oct 2013 #77

I'm glad your children are doing so well... last1standing Oct 2013 #84

"my kids are doing great, to hell with the rest!" Enrique Oct 2013 #93

Kind of an insensitive post, in context... nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #126

I have two sons, ages 30 and 26. SheilaT Oct 2013 #7

^ Wilms Oct 2013 #10

And this is a recipe for civil unrest nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #11

Yes it is. No question about it. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #17

College enrollment for 19-25 year olds is at a record high bhikkhu Oct 2013 #12

Some of these stats need more perspective FreeJoe Oct 2013 #13

Yet there are many going to college in their older years. dkf Oct 2013 #15

College enrollment doesn't explain anything about #1 or #2 lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #20

Is there anything you don't blame on women? LeftyMom Oct 2013 #46

More strawmen. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #47

How is it blaming women? davidn3600 Oct 2013 #48

Ignorance isn't bliss, just ignorance theHandpuppet Oct 2013 #68

What would you propose to do about it? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #71

men chose quick money over education, and it backfires later- as you have noted. bettyellen Oct 2013 #72

Reasonable people can disagree about why men aren't going to college. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #73

See, you did that short term thinking about the value of an education yourself. bettyellen Oct 2013 #74

Yes, that's true. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #75

and the big asterisk would say men have habitually devalued work that women do. bettyellen Oct 2013 #76

Then do different work. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #78

I think it would be awesome if all the Moms in the world plopped their kids in Dad's lap and bettyellen Oct 2013 #80

It'd be even awesomer if she left the kids with dad and went to the machine shop. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #82

it would be awesome if we still have any machine shops left in 10 years. That is also a "thing". bettyellen Oct 2013 #94

just as awesome if men had recognized service industry jobs are very hard work- and compensated bettyellen Oct 2013 #98

The amount of hours worked or the danger of the job has nothing to do with the gender gap. Dash87 Oct 2013 #121

Do those stats take various other factors into account? davidn3600 Oct 2013 #87

Because even with a degree, women are still paid less. DebJ Oct 2013 #116

What about young men who went to college BECAUSE there weren't any jobs available anyway? DebJ Oct 2013 #118

Lots of adjustments needed to those numbers for them to be meaningful. Igel Oct 2013 #14

Here's the labor force participation rate for those 16 and over for the last 64 years. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #22

Because women and people of color should be excluded from the labor force BainsBane Oct 2013 #24

Who said anything about "white"? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #26

Have you ever taken a single history course in your life? BainsBane Oct 2013 #28

The civil rights act? You mean the one that made it illegal to pay a woman less than a man? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #30

A lower social priority? BainsBane Oct 2013 #31

Simple yet unscientific lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #34

Make an argument BainsBane Oct 2013 #36

I was obviously not clear enough. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #41

I have advised BainsBain to put you on ignore so she will not be responding to you. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #44

Show the graph for wages of whites vs. people of color BainsBane Oct 2013 #25

Google works on your computer too. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #27

Okay, is it just women you want excluded from the workforce? BainsBane Oct 2013 #29

Maybe you did take the right exit, because you're clearly on strawman avenue. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #32

Honest people use honest arguments? BainsBane Oct 2013 #33

I dont see anyone suggesting women to leave the workforce davidn3600 Oct 2013 #37

You need to pay closer attention BainsBane Oct 2013 #38

How do you know that's how people view it? davidn3600 Oct 2013 #43

Because I have read some people's posts for BainsBane Oct 2013 #97

Honest people use honest arguments. Bonobo Oct 2013 #95

There are all kinds of people, BainsBane Oct 2013 #100

Yes, there are people so embittered that spewing bile is ALL they do. Bonobo Oct 2013 #102

Really? BainsBane Oct 2013 #103

Thanks for making it easy. nt Bonobo Oct 2013 #104

I know, those nasty xx chromosones BainsBane Oct 2013 #105

All you're doing is exposing what's going in YOUR skull. Bonobo Oct 2013 #106

You're the one who decided to come attack me BainsBane Oct 2013 #107

The fact that you THINK I did what you said I did shows how disrupted your thought process is. Bonobo Oct 2013 #108

You said being born male makes you and other males wage slaves BainsBane Oct 2013 #109

My OP was not about whether or not women work outside the home. Bonobo Oct 2013 #110

That point is false BainsBane Oct 2013 #111

"That point is false. It applies to a very small section of America today." Bonobo Oct 2013 #112

Assuming it applies to all American men vs women is false BainsBane Oct 2013 #113

That would be interesting if I really DID think it was Universal or claimed it to be so. Bonobo Oct 2013 #114

You assume it BainsBane Oct 2013 #119

The WHaaaat? Bonobo Oct 2013 #120

Very few households can survive on a single income these days davidn3600 Oct 2013 #115

Where did I say men were the only issue? BainsBane Oct 2013 #117

Zerohedge is totally unreliable. ProSense Oct 2013 #35

dkf using RW spin? nooooo way! dionysus Oct 2013 #50

Well if you think under 30's are doing fine then great. Yay congrats to our young people! dkf Oct 2013 #55

you need to try harder with your reinvention;we remember al the pro bankster and pro austerity posts dionysus Oct 2013 #58

Yeah should have let our financial system fail. dkf Oct 2013 #64

What do you think the real numbers are, Einstein? MrMickeysMom Oct 2013 #59

I don't find those statistics mind blowing at all doc03 Oct 2013 #40

The offshorers are going to reap the whirlwind Warpy Oct 2013 #52

Here's one that caught my eye... MrMickeysMom Oct 2013 #57

and while their parents love them, their being there is sapping the retirement possibilities SoCalDem Oct 2013 #63

I can't remember a time or generation llmart Oct 2013 #90

It's about the eligibility SoCalDem Oct 2013 #92

Sorry...you are still wrong on this. llmart Oct 2013 #125

We need a modern Works Progress Administration to employ these young people. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #61

Why don't they live 10 to a room and be willing to work 7 - 12 hour days for $1.89 a day... L0oniX Oct 2013 #70

And don't even think about organizing. lonestarnot Oct 2013 #81

What the seditious insurrectionists have done to my grand-children's generation is indepat Oct 2013 #83

I wonder how much of this is due to people working longer in order to WCGreen Oct 2013 #123