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2. That's not an answer

Reply to JaneyVee (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 5, 2013, 03:26 PM

Oct 2013

If that was the intent of this law, people wouldn't need to opt out and pay the tax.

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Why must all health insurance plans include maternity coverage? [View all] B2G Oct 2013 OP

United we stand, divided we fall. JaneyVee Oct 2013 #1

That's not an answer B2G Oct 2013 #2

The single payer system people allegedly want would have to cover *every single condition* Recursion Oct 2013 #13

the difference is questionseverything Oct 2013 #52

Right, but Medicare has a single premium rate Recursion Oct 2013 #62

spread the risk is great questionseverything Oct 2013 #75

3 times, as opposed to up to infinite times as much before the ACA Recursion Oct 2013 #76

aca is a decent step in right direction questionseverything Oct 2013 #81

Actually, Medicare does cover pregnancy. Moosepoop Oct 2013 #91

Good point Recursion Oct 2013 #92

Let 'em complain... Moosepoop Oct 2013 #101

Here's a good answer: BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #56

Applause applause! DebJ Oct 2013 #98

Love it!! LukeFL Oct 2013 #125

it also includes coverage for heart disease, which would of course be found more DrDan Oct 2013 #3

And as a single female, I'm automatically ensured for prostate cancer treatment. And I feel the Squinch Oct 2013 #4

And old men's penis stiffy pills itsrobert Oct 2013 #6

Exactly. But girly things? Eeww, no! Not paying for those! No sir! That's not fair! Squinch Oct 2013 #15

do they work? nt Ninga Oct 2013 #20

I am fortunate enough or (cursed) to not have this problem itsrobert Oct 2013 #23

Shared sacrifice itsrobert Oct 2013 #5

How would that cover her? B2G Oct 2013 #11

It won't, but her insurance plan itsrobert Oct 2013 #21

Good point. Men are generally partially responsible for pregnancies, Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #17

Men who have had vasectomies should get a discount FarCenter Oct 2013 #58

Gah! No. Winnowing out parts of the population is exactly the problem Recursion Oct 2013 #63

Have you seen the tens of thousands of pages of tax code recently? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #145

So a woman who has had her tubes tied or her uterus removed should get a double discount! Useless in FL Oct 2013 #154

Yes, she should get a discount reflecting the fact that she will not need obstetric care. FarCenter Oct 2013 #160

both the men and women should pay me for getting those procedures i did not get and helped pay for seabeyond Oct 2013 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #7

Why must people without kids pay for public schools? Recursion Oct 2013 #8

I hear that SOOOOOO often here in Florida DrDan Oct 2013 #29

Yep. Identical thought process. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2013 #34

Single payer would do the same thing. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #9

Ah, you beat me to it (nt) Recursion Oct 2013 #18

yes, because odds are that she'll get old CreekDog Oct 2013 #167

Really? Serious question? n-t Logical Oct 2013 #10

It's a condition requiring medical assistance Warpy Oct 2013 #12

For one, because men use maternity coverage too. Barack_America Oct 2013 #14

Unique and excellent point of view JustAnotherGen Oct 2013 #78

Awesome answer! n/t DebJ Oct 2013 #99

Bravo! Great answer! Paulie Oct 2013 #123

Thanks. Barack_America Oct 2013 #144

So what? Its like ok, one flat rate, all these things get covered as they apply to you. phleshdef Oct 2013 #16

If you are a young woman you are automatically insured for The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2013 #19

Nah. I think I'll just get covered for the thing that will eventually kill me. Barack_America Oct 2013 #22

My point is that to make this work, B2G Oct 2013 #24

Having maternity care could be an incentive for young healthy people cbayer Oct 2013 #27

Um, it's the young who have babies. Barack_America Oct 2013 #30

congratulations, you thought real hard and are recommending a return to the pre-Obamacare system CreekDog Oct 2013 #168

For years I helped men pay for vasectomies and hair transplants DURHAM D Oct 2013 #25

were you born? then you have reason to be expected to share in maternity costs... hlthe2b Oct 2013 #26

The idea of insurance is elleng Oct 2013 #28

Why am I paying for pap smears and mammograms! jberryhill Oct 2013 #31

Especially those smears! Why do they have to be smears? Why can't they be tidy blots? Squinch Oct 2013 #37

a kid born in summer 2014 could be my XRay Tech, RN, Dr in 2036 irisblue Oct 2013 #32

Would you rather it not be covered and pay for lifetime care of brain damaged infants? mainer Oct 2013 #33

Why must all health insurance plans include treatment of impotence? kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #35

Why do I, a nonsmoker, have to pay for coverage of smoking-related illnesses in smokers? kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #36

You don't. former9thward Oct 2013 #41

Not nearly enough to cover what they cost their fellow insured. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #45

I assume you will come up with some math to back up your assumptions. former9thward Oct 2013 #46

Of course they aren't. They charge ALL of us more than enough to cover the cost of treating kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #47

Its your assertion not mine. former9thward Oct 2013 #67

Parasites? SomethingFishy Oct 2013 #129

But smokers die younger, so they don't cost Social Security as much FarCenter Oct 2013 #60

Why do I, as a woman, have to pay for coverage of prostate disease treatment? kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #38

Why do I, as someone who eats right and has a normal body weight, have to pay for coverage of kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #39

Hypertension is not necessarily obesity related. PotatoChip Oct 2013 #95

I am referring to hypertension related to obesity. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #109

Not everyone understands that, though. PotatoChip Oct 2013 #111

same reason all cable packages charge for FOX. tsuki Oct 2013 #40

Fantastic answer! karynnj Oct 2013 #49

Sheesh! Obviously you do not understand the concept of insurance and specifically health madinmaryland Oct 2013 #42

Because it's freaking health care, nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #43

Because it is healthcare. Lars39 Oct 2013 #44

Plans are not tailored to the individual -- karynnj Oct 2013 #48

Because women are human beings and sometimes they incur these costs. pnwmom Oct 2013 #50

because we as human beings have a vested interest in the newer generations????? Skittles Oct 2013 #51

Because YOU want the kids who will be paying into YOUR social security (and mine) MADem Oct 2013 #53

No. What I want it is a truly low cost plan B2G Oct 2013 #54

What? You don't want children in the country to be born healthy? MADem Oct 2013 #61

You may want that, but getting that doesn't fix the wider problem. In fact it would make it worse Recursion Oct 2013 #64

So we just let folks go uninsured B2G Oct 2013 #69

No, we offer them catastrophic coverage through the exchange, and charge them higher taxes Recursion Oct 2013 #70

You know, I was wondering why, in addition to bronze, gold and silver, they didn't come up with a Squinch Oct 2013 #84

Hahahahahahah! Ellipsis Oct 2013 #104

Then you should have actively lobbied for Medicare for all or Cleita Oct 2013 #85

Because it reduces costs for all, and spreads the cost on point Oct 2013 #55

Who is the second half of the equation? Oh wait, a male. Suck it up. seabeyond Oct 2013 #57

single men dont get single women pregnant? i dont pay for the extra healthcare a geriatric couple La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2013 #59

They should be asked to pay for the abortion FarCenter Oct 2013 #65

i have no idea what your statement means. nt La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2013 #68

If the woman chooses to have the baby, she should pay for it. FarCenter Oct 2013 #74

are you serious? Perhaps you forgot to insert a smilie? DrDan Oct 2013 #77

You're not familiar with this poster's track record, are you? (nt) Recursion Oct 2013 #83

no - I am not DrDan Oct 2013 #89

the same way that if the elderly decide to get heart surgery they should pay for it? La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2013 #86

It is not clear whether heart surgery should be covered in all cases. FarCenter Oct 2013 #93

Since when has cosmetic surgery been covered by insurance? PotatoChip Oct 2013 #100

When it is "medically necessary". FarCenter Oct 2013 #106

Hm. Imagine that. Someone who believes men are not responsible for their actions. DebJ Oct 2013 #97

IMMENSE stupidity..... I had neighbors give birth squatting between parked cars to give birth bettyellen Oct 2013 #90

stupidity with a good side of selfishness too La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2013 #113

Yep, completely forgetting how we ALL got here in the first place. bettyellen Oct 2013 #114

Why should I pay for erectile dysfunction drugs? Because of basic insurance principles. DebJ Oct 2013 #66

Insurance companies write policies based on the quantifiable risks of specific groups. FarCenter Oct 2013 #73

Those 'groupings' are determined by state law. DebJ Oct 2013 #94

And let me add, what is the goal for our society and our country? DebJ Oct 2013 #96

And none of these factors will apply any longer, pnwmom Oct 2013 #102

Although now that I review your posts, your personal goal is only to be DebJ Oct 2013 #103

since a woman does not get preg by self, a man is a part of it, your argument utterly fails. not to seabeyond Oct 2013 #119

Gender Differences in Health Care Expenditures, FarCenter Oct 2013 #120

we are talking about why men have to spend the money on little wimminz with preg. you spoke up seabeyond Oct 2013 #122

Because of republicans! rock Oct 2013 #71

It makes no sense, because you are not looking at this as a social safety net. Rex Oct 2013 #72

Why should I, a non-smoking non-drinking vegan triathlete have to pay for your mcDonalds habit? Happyhippychick Oct 2013 #79

Because it's a medical expense and maybe you don't need Cleita Oct 2013 #80

it makes as much sense as handmade34 Oct 2013 #82

great post. nt raccoon Oct 2013 #153

Did you come from a woman? Were you delivered and cared for at birth? There's msanthrope Oct 2013 #87

Seriously? Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #88

Are you being cute? bravenak Oct 2013 #105

More like trolling. n/t TheBlackAdder Oct 2013 #108

$2,000 for Prenatal care, Standard Delivery $10K, Cesarean $15K - Cost Over 50 Colonoscopy $3.8K TheBlackAdder Oct 2013 #107

I don't see why not trumpetero Oct 2013 #110

Because plans are not tailored to the individual alarimer Oct 2013 #112

Because healthcare is not and cannot be a rational market. TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #115

I can explain why USA doesn't have NHS, it would be easier. :) idwiyo Oct 2013 #116

Because the entire idea of insurance is predicated on paying for OTHER people. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #117

I think the point is BainsBane Oct 2013 #126

Well that's just fucking goofy, innit? Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #131

I have to say some arguments around here are becoming increasingly strange BainsBane Oct 2013 #134

Honest question, though: How many people in this thread are actually saying that? Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #135

As far as I've noticed, just the OP BainsBane Oct 2013 #138

Who knew Goofy was such a stud? Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #139

I'm looking for a good video or graphic BainsBane Oct 2013 #140

Just for you I just sat through several minutes of a brain-killingly boring "Christian Sex Ed" video Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #142

I'm thinking something more informative is in order BainsBane Oct 2013 #143

I can tell you that back when it was personally relevant, "maternity coverage" was not an academic Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #147

I'm not smart enough to follow your jokes, BainsBane Oct 2013 #149

PM incoming Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #150

Oh but he went away BainsBane Oct 2013 #141

Is this an example of I got mine so screw you? B Calm Oct 2013 #118

i guess men had nothing to do with the condition the woman finds herself in? boston bean Oct 2013 #121

Fair play. That's why. MineralMan Oct 2013 #124

Maybe because society has a vested interest in the propagation of the human species? BainsBane Oct 2013 #127

I'm hearing a lot of shared sacrifice comments and yet when I ask where is the funding for my liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #128

If you're asking whether public schools should be funded better than they are Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #132

thank you. Most people on this site won't acknowledge that because they are afraid of making liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #136

Really? It should be job one. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #137

I think you know that funding is local BainsBane Oct 2013 #146

So humans can continue as a species? ismnotwasm Oct 2013 #130

You are starting to look pretty transparent Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #133

Riddle me this. Why do young healthy women have to pay for cardiac care for fat old men? Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #148

Not to mention women having to pay for old men's Viagra! Jeez. All these years... Hekate Oct 2013 #169

Yeah, that one is absolutely infuriating. Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #170

Because if everyone but pregnant people op out of it, it will cost a fortune for pregnant women NoOneMan Oct 2013 #151

My insurance covers boner problems Lil Missy Oct 2013 #152

Yeah, but those can cause trouble for everyone. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #155

Because pregnancy is defined as a medical condition? KamaAina Oct 2013 #156

makes complete sense.....to me nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #157

Why should I have to "pay for" prostate exams.. I am female. SoCalDem Oct 2013 #158

You're thinking "rates" and "demographics". moriah Oct 2013 #159

I think the bigger question is who uses the system more? Men or women? davidn3600 Oct 2013 #161

And when they go to the doctor, their illnesses are so progressed, they cost more. KitSileya Oct 2013 #163

My point was more about the idea that insurance charges women more because they are misogynistic davidn3600 Oct 2013 #165

Re car insurance: in Pa, women pick up the tab for men's higher accident rates. DebJ Oct 2013 #164

Think about what would happen if women were discouraged from having children LittleBlue Oct 2013 #166