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leveymg

(36,418 posts)
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 02:45 PM Oct 2013

Selective Shutdown Over for Pentagon. The Light just got turned on the Kabuki Theater Stage [View all]

In other words, the Tea Party got EXACTLY what they wanted from the SELECTIVE shutdown of the federal government. What did the Democrats gain from this?




The federal government just got shrunk in a bathtub without anyone in the Democratic ledger having to go on record to vote directly for it, and the military is exempted from having its trousers taken in. Jitters about the Debt Ceiling aside, Wall Street is exultant about the Sequester and partial shutdown. The NASDAQ was up 7 or 8 percent in September, and the Dow has risen nearly 15% since the Sequester started.

The GOP got exactly what they wanted, and if his past statements are any indication, Obama IS willing to give them more than half of what they want, at least in Social Security program cuts.

Pentagon: Most Furloughed Civilians Ordered Back
Source: AP

The Pentagon is ordering most of its approximately 400,000 furloughed civilian employees back to work.

The decision by Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is based on a Pentagon legal interpretation of a law called the Pay Our Military Act.

That measure was passed by Congress and signed by President Barack Obama shortly before the partial government shutdown began Tuesday.

The Pentagon did not immediately say on Saturday exactly how many workers will return to work. The Defense Department said "most" were being brought back.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/pentagon-furloughed-civilians-ordered-back-20482298



The GOP now has absolutely zero reason to make any deals until 10/17, and then Obama will give them at least 50% of what they want in the way of cuts to Social Security because it's what he and the Wall Street wing of the Democratic Party want, too.

There are those who suggest the GOP will have to cave. How does the GOP have to cave? All they have to do is vote on the 17th for a CR to avoid federal default, something the financial sector and most corporations would never permit.

So, what are the Republicans really giving up? Most of the GOP is not opposed to a personal mandate (which is Romneycare, after all) - they're just making noise about Obamacare to keep their base happy. Obama has already indicated he's happy to give them cuts to Social Security and Medicare and some other (unstated) social programs as part of a Grand Bargain.

How are the Republicans going to cave if they sign a CR? You tell me - what are they really going to give up?





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Kabuki jberryhill Oct 2013 #1
Thanks leveymg Oct 2013 #34
*snort* jberryhill Oct 2013 #56
taking down the scenery now. nt grasswire Oct 2013 #2
Died in New Haven or headed to Broadway? leveymg Oct 2013 #35
People forget that Obama is fighting Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #3
No, ProSense Oct 2013 #7
Can you distill that down to a few lines of confusion and obfuscation? leveymg Oct 2013 #8
Sure, ProSense Oct 2013 #9
What is your response to the points made in the OP, anyway? leveymg Oct 2013 #10
I don't know ProSense Oct 2013 #17
I really don't think this whole thing has been about Obamacare. leveymg Oct 2013 #19
In terms of points on the board, I'm not sure we're really ahead. leveymg Oct 2013 #37
Something like 97% of the EPA is furloughed riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #52
But of course that's at sequestration levels of funding... exactly. So, who wins? Austerians in leveymg Oct 2013 #55
Obama is an Austerian, is he not? So win, win for him? SammyWinstonJack Oct 2013 #70
He's not a full-blown deficit hawk, obviously, but he's the one who continues to bring up leveymg Oct 2013 #72
Here is the picture: Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #14
Again, those are numbers. The CR is different from the Senate budget ProSense Oct 2013 #15
Yes, those are the Senate budget numbers. progressoid Oct 2013 #18
Yes, ProSense Oct 2013 #20
Seems the Austerians won. leveymg Oct 2013 #38
The CR the senate is demanding is for $986 billion Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #22
Read the information at your link. ProSense Oct 2013 #24
You seem to skip right over that point. The CR budget is lower than the Sequester. How did we win? leveymg Oct 2013 #39
Good point. How does the original Obama budget differ from the CR? leveymg Oct 2013 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Oct 2013 #31
Game, set, and match to corporate looters in *both* parties. woo me with science Oct 2013 #32
PPP--"GOP could lose the House in 2014" ProSense Oct 2013 #36
General disgust and revulsion at Budget Austerity by Default seems pretty much bipartisan. leveymg Oct 2013 #40
Republicans' actions prove they're terrorists. They should lose big. Agree? n/t ProSense Oct 2013 #44
Those who are convinced of that are already convinced of that. Where's the net gain? leveymg Oct 2013 #51
As for ProSense Oct 2013 #41
If you say so Shivering Jemmy Oct 2013 #4
You may be right. Laelth Oct 2013 #5
Sometimes, I really hate being right about things like this. leveymg Oct 2013 #42
Been there. Still doing that. Laelth Oct 2013 #54
The libertarian dream n2doc Oct 2013 #6
Exactly. A military-industrial police state with liberal credentials. Almost a perfect blend of leveymg Oct 2013 #11
Something BIG is in the works. I question how much Obama knows and or is in control. Junkdrawer Oct 2013 #12
I see no holes in that theory. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #26
Thanks... Junkdrawer Oct 2013 #28
Are you sure you're not just pulling cards out of the deck randomly? leveymg Oct 2013 #43
Yep... Junkdrawer Oct 2013 #59
I don't think the last Prez needed any bamboozling. leveymg Oct 2013 #60
The Cheney/Bush administration was the closest we ever got to direct rule by the Deep State. Junkdrawer Oct 2013 #61
To the contrary, I think they (whoever that may be) are getting pretty much everything they want leveymg Oct 2013 #62
Domestically, yes. Foreign policy wise, no. Junkdrawer Oct 2013 #63
Read it more carefully. Barack_America Oct 2013 #13
Well, good. progressoid Oct 2013 #21
Yep. I fear this is correct. cui bono Oct 2013 #23
Tea Party Line Item Veto by Default - that captures it pretty well. leveymg Oct 2013 #45
That is some pretty shitty analysis of this announcement Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #25
Wanna explain what you mean by that? leveymg Oct 2013 #49
I disagree. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #76
I think the repukes get their azz handed to them flamingdem Oct 2013 #27
How will that happen? leveymg Oct 2013 #50
nah, nebenaube Oct 2013 #53
K&R woo me with science Oct 2013 #29
Thanks leveymg Oct 2013 #47
kick woo me with science Oct 2013 #30
Thnx leveymg Oct 2013 #48
kick woo me with science Oct 2013 #33
Thanks! leveymg Oct 2013 #46
kick nt grasswire Oct 2013 #57
I don't think you are supposed to notice that. n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #58
LOL!!! That is the funniest post I have ever read on DU. Are you SURE this is DevonRex Oct 2013 #64
Glad you got the humor in this. leveymg Oct 2013 #65
Why delay an operation because of the lazy Republicans? DevonRex Oct 2013 #66
Not sure it all went off like clockwork, particularly in Somalia leveymg Oct 2013 #67
There'll always be something DevonRex Oct 2013 #68
I hope this doesn't go on through 10/17. Some may experience serious problems if it does. leveymg Oct 2013 #69
Every 2 weeks. DevonRex Oct 2013 #71
Then, this is going to hurt a lot of people. leveymg Oct 2013 #73
US shutdown a smokescreen for assault on Social Security, Medicare Octafish Oct 2013 #74
That was an incredibly depressing article, CrispyQ Oct 2013 #75
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