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82. It's also keeping the Tea Party frothy and away from TPP

Sat Oct 5, 2013, 03:53 PM

Oct 2013

Because the Tea Party's intransigence before screwed up Boehner & Obama's Grand Bargain Deal at the last minute, I was kind of hoping they would keep thwarting O's GB and its national retirement swindle known as chained CPI. Also because the TP are so vehemently "State's Rights", I was hoping they could be a line of defense (albeit for the wrong reasons) against passage of the TranPacific Partnership Surrender of our democratic sovereignty to global corporate rule.

Their fight/shutdown of the govt over Obamacare and their agenda on the debt ceiling deplete the TP's energy,resources and power.
The unholy alliance of the New Deal Dems and the TP Loons in the House had a convenient utility in protecting America from Obama's corporate agenda contained in the TPP and the Grand Bargain.

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OK, thanks to DUers I think I'm seeing a "Shock Doctrine" pattern here........ [View all] socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 OP

O yes. texanwitch Oct 2013 #1

You sound as if you're assuming the majority of the Dems are reluctant to play along. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #2

We know who really owns the congress. texanwitch Oct 2013 #5

This whole thing.... sendero Oct 2013 #131

Who's "our Tennessee friend?" Fawke Em Oct 2013 #135

I believe that would be me....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #145

I Keep Saying This... stuckinodi Oct 2013 #3

at least we'll be nutritious corkhead Oct 2013 #20

Soylent Green JimboBillyBubbaBob Oct 2013 #70

Yummm.. In pies! Squinch Oct 2013 #152

Could be.... KoKo Oct 2013 #4

Just said the same to a friend today Flo Mingo Oct 2013 #6

Thanks for the input and welcome to DU....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #24

That is attributed to Carl Rove: bvar22 Oct 2013 #26

That's it Flo Mingo Oct 2013 #40

Proud Member of the Reality Based Community ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2013 #48

My OP was postulated as a possibility........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #56

Excellent explanation! bvar22 Oct 2013 #75

You're welcome. Coming from you bvar.... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #78

Indeed. 2naSalit Oct 2013 #85

Thanks for y'all's support........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #95

I agree 2naSalit Oct 2013 #99

Agreed. It's like I said below to the poster who said it didn't seem "mysterious"...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #101

And I must say 2naSalit Oct 2013 #102

You think it's a possibility we'll be "gutting Medicare and the Social Security system"... ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2013 #100

What happens when they use the debt ceiling to "force" Obama....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #103

I repeat - the debt ceiling will not be used. Period. ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2013 #110

As to most of your responses...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #122

TOP does not protect workers, or humans, or the planet. WCLinolVir Oct 2013 #119

That's argument by assertion. State your reasoning/Cite your sources. N/T ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2013 #128

Well see, that's the problem with negotiations in secret....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #129

Go read what is available about it. I should not have to do your research. WCLinolVir Oct 2013 #149

BTW, as to my open political affiliation........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #123

Actually, Mr. Oxymoron, KamaAina Oct 2013 #146

Oh, you're correct. My bad. ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2013 #148

Karl Rove has got reality handed to him in the ass. Rozlee Oct 2013 #73

True. Here he is on Election Night, 2012... KansDem Oct 2013 #126

Heh. Rozlee Oct 2013 #134

It has never been clearly established.. sendero Oct 2013 #132

It was Turdblossom, I believe tavalon Oct 2013 #111

I hope not, but I can see the possibility quinnox Oct 2013 #7

Yes. texanwitch Oct 2013 #12

I hope you're wrong and I'm right malaise Oct 2013 #8

So do I malaise, so do I. HOWEVER....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #19

Point of order nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #29

As a veteran of the Vietnam anti-war movement....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #44

You just about covered it Oilwellian Oct 2013 #9

The 'Boys' have been using the same playbook since Mein Kampf formercia Oct 2013 #10

It's too transparent to be shock, IMO ... Auggie Oct 2013 #11

A mystery for whom?........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #17

We're supposed to be grateful we got to keep our precious RandiFan1290 Oct 2013 #13

Money rules for both parties. texanwitch Oct 2013 #14

Well, I for one, won't give up........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #22

It will take one hell of a fight. texanwitch Oct 2013 #25

the farm bill has expired questionseverything Oct 2013 #88

The wave of the future. texanwitch Oct 2013 #93

Grand Bargain AND TPP. dgibby Oct 2013 #15

The Grand Betrayal" according to Economics Professor William K. Black: KoKo Oct 2013 #107

"Obama sees inflicting the �Grand Bargain� on the Nation as his means of achieving his legacy" cui bono Oct 2013 #113

... Zorra Oct 2013 #16

Coming closer all the time Fox...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #23

If this is the case, we will KNOW the current "crisis" is nothing but a setup duffyduff Oct 2013 #18

both parties get to throw a temper tantrum to please their base, and the Grand Bargain will make liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #21

So all this is one big charade heaven05 Oct 2013 #38

The last few days jitters about Debt Ceiling aside, Wall St. loves the Sequester and The Deal leveymg Oct 2013 #27

Yes they do..... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #52

Almost all of the DoD civilian workforce are being called back. leveymg Oct 2013 #58

The Pattern is there for those who choose to see. bvar22 Oct 2013 #28

Looks about right Benton D Struckcheon Oct 2013 #30

I said it days ago. grasswire Oct 2013 #31

"COUP" is the active word. pangaia Oct 2013 #36

I am afraid you are right. zeemike Oct 2013 #32

Precisely what I have been thinking. Get ready for Obama's "Chained CPI" and the GOP's increase NorthCarolina Oct 2013 #33

And possibly the gutting of all the positive reforms in the ACA, leaving only the mandate. grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #34

Absolutely. If they take the next step we are in BIG trouble. jwirr Oct 2013 #35

You're not the only one who is considering this possibility. The answser sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #37

K&R. Those are just the problems we know about. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #39

They are mad they didn't get their last war they wanted so bad. texanwitch Oct 2013 #41

You might be right but I hope you are wrong! (I HATE it when I am right about such things.) joanbarnes Oct 2013 #42

Yep, I hope I'm wrong too. But...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #50

I have a similar theory, but not quite the same one Jack Rabbit Oct 2013 #43

Well, I still think they're after ALL of the above...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #47

I was wondering where you guys were.. busterbrown Oct 2013 #45

Well pretty much every one of those items listed..... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #49

If Obama has been such a "chess master" then why is there a sequester? cui bono Oct 2013 #114

Our govt. was gonna get shut down and a deal was devised that hurt both parties, but it kept the gov busterbrown Oct 2013 #117

I disagree with your assessment. cui bono Oct 2013 #136

You got it, dude Taverner Oct 2013 #46

I honestly think it's been going on too long for that... LaydeeBug Oct 2013 #51

If Obama uses the 14th Amendment, it will go a long way to establishing rule by Presidential Decree FarCenter Oct 2013 #53

Do know how many times this has been predicted around here? JoePhilly Oct 2013 #54

The last budget "crisis" brought us the sequester..... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #59

Describe this "sequester-like event" ... JoePhilly Oct 2013 #60

A sequester-like event like a "Grand Bargain"....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #69

"Grand bargin" isn't specific. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #71

Grand Bargain isn't specific?......... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #74

Both parties have been having a hard time selling cuts to SS. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #147

Obama is winning, and it's killing these guys. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #61

I'm waiting for them to say Putin (not Obama) is kicking Boehner's but here. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #64

Hey man! Help us help Obama stand up against these programs!....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #72

Obama is winning? We have the Ryan Budget! We have a Grand Bargin in doc03 Oct 2013 #83

Unfortunately, basing things on what he's SAID......... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #96

I wonder what is taking them so long to do those things, Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #55

No problem. Your last sentence says it all. HOWEVER.......... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #57

Don't fool yourself: Obama got exactly what he wanted in Syria - Syria is now neutralized leveymg Oct 2013 #67

See ... Boehner and Obama are in cahoots. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #68

Don't they both support the TPP and chained CPI?......... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #80

Show me when Obama went on TV and told the American people that JoePhilly Oct 2013 #104

It isn't a prediction Oilwellian Oct 2013 #106

So its not something Obama is selling to the American people as needed. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #108

I'll predict that UNLESS the American people rise up en masse........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #130

The Republicans proved long ago sulphurdunn Oct 2013 #62

Baby Boomers HockeyMom Oct 2013 #63

Why would politicians who want to keep the ACA treestar Oct 2013 #65

There is no Logic in the reasoning being used, just a bunch whose political party gets little Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #76

And I'm glad those two scary cats are in waiting treestar Oct 2013 #90

We'll see what happens........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #77

Where do you think the money for the "subsidies" comes from? bvar22 Oct 2013 #84

That's the point, to buy insurance treestar Oct 2013 #89

"That's the point, to BUY insurance"... from Private, For Profit Corporations, bvar22 Oct 2013 #91

The insurance is not worthless treestar Oct 2013 #92

bvar didn't say the insurance is worthless, he said that the industry is useless. cui bono Oct 2013 #115

Of course the insurance isn't 'worthless' . . . markpkessinger Oct 2013 #138

Distractions or not, they are trying to do this everyday. raouldukelives Oct 2013 #66

In my most humble fredamae Oct 2013 #79

Oh, I agree. The end game has been coming for decades........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #81

It's also keeping the Tea Party frothy and away from TPP stuffmatters Oct 2013 #82

"The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance" Phlem Oct 2013 #86

Classic Shock Doctrine/Disaster Capitalism for which ACA obstructionism was a SMOKECREEN to obscure Faryn Balyncd Oct 2013 #87

Yeah, see that the thing. Your links show some of the trails of my thinking...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #97

Recommend.. KoKo Oct 2013 #141

Sure looking that way to me 1000words Oct 2013 #94

And in keeping with the theme of this thread........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #98

Pretty close. TSD I think usually refers to the aftermath of some complete disaster Doctor_J Oct 2013 #105

K&R woo me with science Oct 2013 #109

Okay, she's been on my list for a long time tavalon Oct 2013 #112

I read it. Then came the Eurozone crisis BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #139

I fear you are correct. And I got sucked into this game they're playing as well. cui bono Oct 2013 #116

You betcha, can't waste a good disaster. WCLinolVir Oct 2013 #118

They are ready for the people to rise up. This will only end after they kill a lot of people. \/ L0oniX Oct 2013 #120

Capitalists only see the opportunity, never the disaster bigbrother05 Oct 2013 #121

It's all good. Octafish Oct 2013 #124

Yep. And in general I just call Disaster Capitalism............ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #125

Shock Doctrine ewagner Oct 2013 #127

good to see you posting socialist_n_TN. With all the centrist democrats on this site, we need some liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #133

Why thank you lib....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #143

Let me chime in here and thank you, too, because we're on the same page. Nay Oct 2013 #150

K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #137

I certainly hope not. kentuck Oct 2013 #140

Link to full docu BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #142

IN A NUTSHELL!!!!!!!!! That's exactly WHY I posted this... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #144

Post-shutdown-shock BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #153

If they are thinking about trying it, they will get run out of town with pitchforks. The people are silvershadow Oct 2013 #151