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In reply to the discussion: OK, thanks to DUers I think I'm seeing a "Shock Doctrine" pattern here........ [View all]ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)If the Democrats allow the debt ceiling to be used as a negotiating weapon then the GOP will use it all the time, until the Democrats eventually find something to stand on. Better to end the fight right now by giving them nothing.
Nothing.
Second, Obama did not say he was in favor of Chained CPI. He's always been against it. He did indicate that if the GOP absolutely demanded it for something that he could get in return (say a middle-class jobs program - which he wants desperately), he'd be willing to put it on the negotiating table. As soon as he said this though, various members of the GOP (including Oregon's own Rep. Walden) tried to bash him over it. So that's more or less off the table permanently.
As to the TPP, yes it's being negotiated in secret. Many treaties are. This is especially true with trade treaties. However, it must be revealed to the Senate before a vote. So if it's crap, it can be opposed then. I promise you that if you object to it then because you think it's a bad deal, I'm not going to go beating you up for being unreasonable. Hell, maybe I will be objecting to it. But complaining now, while it's still being made, is silly.
It's legitimate to believe that the pipeline is a mistake, but splitting AFL-CIO from the working class? Come on.
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