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1. Please, please, please let this be true.

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Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:05 AM

Oct 2013

Thanks JackPine.

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Beginning of the End for Major Health Insurers [View all] Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 OP

Please, please, please let this be true. Scuba Oct 2013 #1

I agree, I think insurers are worried about people leaving their plans in droves for better deals notadmblnd Oct 2013 #2

They still get paid. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #112

I Certainly Hope So, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2013 #3

I will add that they cost the healthcare system even more than is apparent Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #9

This is true - but ACA only reinforced this rather than changing it Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #11

Current Masturbatory Practices Of Financial Analysts Do Not Impress Me, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2013 #15

If "the Current Masturbatory Practices Of Financial Analysts Do Not Impress" you, bvar22 Oct 2013 #32

The entire stock market is up sharply for that period.. sendero Oct 2013 #89

The "claim" was that dotymed Oct 2013 #50

I like your thinking..........nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #93

I have to disagree... reACTIONary Oct 2013 #40

You May Disagree, Sir, But You Are Wrong The Magistrate Oct 2013 #75

I agree 100%. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #95

You are free (in most cases) to take your chances... reACTIONary Oct 2013 #99

I was speaking of health insurance. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #102

Because there is a better alternative... reACTIONary Oct 2013 #116

You may pronounce what judgement you will, Sir, but... reACTIONary Oct 2013 #98

There may be more "value" overall DireStrike Oct 2013 #83

I think this is backwards Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #4

+1 leftstreet Oct 2013 #6

Believe me, they haven't Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #12

Wendell Potter SalviaBlue Oct 2013 #30

I don't disagree with what Potter is saying now, but he apparently did OK screwing people Hoyt Oct 2013 #36

Deleted. Stupidly replied to myself. Hoyt Oct 2013 #46

I think he's still working for them! Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #91

Methinks DryHump Oct 2013 #84

Yes, I'm not sure how this removes them from the equation BrotherIvan Oct 2013 #17

That's why I was for single-payer, but I realize the votes were not there Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #18

It is the only solution BrotherIvan Oct 2013 #19

State by State. Ron Green Oct 2013 #27

Yes, I am hoping my state will go for it BrotherIvan Oct 2013 #52

Yes, the votes were not there. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #103

The article indicates that is not so..... Fla Dem Oct 2013 #42

Because nothing will ever change. jeff47 Oct 2013 #56

Agreed. Now single payer or a Medicare buy-in might have GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #58

The insurers were given the biggest windfall in history Doctor_J Oct 2013 #81

Indeed, it firmly entrenches private firms into our healthcare. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #113

It needs to happen, and hopefully is becoming inevitable. nt Mnemosyne Oct 2013 #5

I think they will end up morphing into Federally regulated servicers for single payer. tridim Oct 2013 #7

That's the situation in Medicaid; has been for many years. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #10

I think you'll be proven right. ffr Oct 2013 #33

Again, health insurance is not health care burnsei sensei Oct 2013 #8

Well said. nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #13

It's as if they never knew anything about how insurance companies work. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #24

Excellent points. I would add that Litigation and Trial lawyers would take a serious hit in income adirondacker Oct 2013 #68

H.R. 676! Roland99 Oct 2013 #14

Health "insurance" has become, in effect, a highly regulated public utility. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #16

Good example of a Slippery Slope...with the ACA their profits are capped at 20%...down from 40% libdem4life Oct 2013 #23

Putting the insurance companies out of business in one fell swoop would have been impossible, Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #25

Oh yes, and keep the articles coming about single payer...keep tipping the Slope libdem4life Oct 2013 #29

"their profits are capped at 20%" bvar22 Oct 2013 #35

Thanks for the info. At least it's a start. I still think there are a lot more surpises along the libdem4life Oct 2013 #38

Their profits are not capped at 20% fitman Oct 2013 #47

Ah, but being an optimist I hope that we will be more aware?? or militant?? but most of all educated libdem4life Oct 2013 #55

A privately owned, enlightenment Oct 2013 #72

From your keyboard to God's ears Recursion Oct 2013 #20

Can't come soon enough! B Calm Oct 2013 #21

I'll be happy to shit on their graves! L0oniX Oct 2013 #22

I am a health insurance broker fitman Oct 2013 #26

That was the price Obama paid to keep Harry & Louise off his case. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #28

When a cancer patient has medical bills of tens of thousands of dollars per month, Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #31

in exchange for a premium of $200 or $300 per month... bvar22 Oct 2013 #37

yep, most of the 50 million ininsured are healthy, young people fitman Oct 2013 #44

So why are Cigna and Aetna not even participating in the CT health exchange? Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #69

Because they are going to be selling on the private exchange fitman Oct 2013 #71

Yeah, stock price is an excellent measure of company success jeff47 Oct 2013 #59

Insurance co's are already paying for the uninsured fitman Oct 2013 #43

You have never heard about medical bankruptcy? Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #53

And bankruptcy means they don't pay. jeff47 Oct 2013 #62

This nation is awash in misinformation. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #96

Our customer service rep at regence blue cross said that none of them would be without a job because DeschutesRiver Oct 2013 #34

And when they are toast, my vendetta will be finished. Zorra Oct 2013 #39

Workmen's comp Phil1934 Oct 2013 #41

Excellent point. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #45

Well, maybe only in states that accept ACA expanded Medicaid. Zorra Oct 2013 #57

Do you think the trial lawyer lobby will allow for it? I have my doubts. nt adirondacker Oct 2013 #70

Work Comp pays even to those who have personal health insurance - lynne Oct 2013 #108

paging dfk.............. CatWoman Oct 2013 #48

Interesting Points of view back and forth on this thread...worth the read.. KoKo Oct 2013 #49

My personal view is simply that, on balance, it is better than what went before. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #61

At best insurers will morph into just administrators like they've been for Medicare since inception. Hoyt Oct 2013 #51

totally aggee! nt Cryptoad Oct 2013 #54

Corporate shills Enoki33 Oct 2013 #60

What does Mr. Potter consider an enlightenment Oct 2013 #63

I don't know Potter's answer, but for me, Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #66

I agree. The lowest priced Bronze plan enlightenment Oct 2013 #73

Where did the money go? ca3799 Oct 2013 #64

More likely, health insurance companies will merge until there are only a few left in each state. FarCenter Oct 2013 #65

That decribes Kaiser Permanente in Northern California. Affordable, mostly good service, libdem4life Oct 2013 #87

Yes, I'd expect 3 Kaiser Permanente-like medical businesses in each state FarCenter Oct 2013 #88

OMG I hope so... gopiscrap Oct 2013 #67

you are living in a dream, but enjoy. Insurance companies got to help write ACA. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #74

The big insurers will become outfits that administer single payer Warpy Oct 2013 #76

Failure of the infinite growth model of Capitalism. DirkGently Oct 2013 #77

And dare I say, not by accident? BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #78

If wishes were fishes then we'd all cast our nets, Mr. Potter. TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #79

K&R oxymoron Oct 2013 #80

They are far worse than "unwanted middlemen", lol. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #82

You say truth. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #97

... SammyWinstonJack Oct 2013 #85

Yeah, they are trembling all the way to the bank... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #86

This is ProSense Oct 2013 #90

Sorry for double posting--didn't see this n/t eridani Oct 2013 #92

Highly recommend, and the beginning of the unncessary middlemen aka thugs begins. Jefferson23 Oct 2013 #94

I was one of the people furious with this compromise, and yet, with time and tavalon Oct 2013 #100

Good read! pacalo Oct 2013 #101

"four of the biggest for-profits, are not planning to participate in many of the marketplaces" IronLionZion Oct 2013 #104

Don't confuse change with progress zipplewrath Oct 2013 #105

The biggest impact is yet to come leftstreet Oct 2013 #107

Restructuring zipplewrath Oct 2013 #110

Too big to fail !!1111 leftstreet Oct 2013 #111

Worse zipplewrath Oct 2013 #114

Too early to tell, IMO. Health Ins. companies could actually benefit - lynne Oct 2013 #106

The major insurers will just become overpaid contractors for the govt.... cbdo2007 Oct 2013 #109

One can hope this is the ultimate outcome.. 2banon Oct 2013 #115