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magical thyme

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5. everybody is afraid. that is their goal. that's what makes the GOP terrorists.

Reply to redstatebluegirl (Original post)

Sun Oct 6, 2013, 11:50 AM

Oct 2013

They are behaving like terrorists. They want us to capitulate to their demands out of fear of losing whatever.

If we give in to these demands, they will demand more and it will never stop. In that situation then we will lose everything.

I'm hopeful that if push comes to shove, President Obama will pull out the 14th amendment and simply declare the debt ceiling raised by executive order.

He has not ruled it out. He has stated he doesn't believe he has that authority, but he hasn't stated why he doesn't believe he has that authority and certainly based on the last presidency there is nothing to stop him from claiming that authority.

The congress still has the authority to make the budget and appropriate money. But by claiming the authority to actually pay the bills, the President will balance that power out and prevent congress from running up debt and then defaulting, as the GOP is trying to do now.

Kind of like saying that one business partner does the budgeting, but another partner writes the checks to pay the bills, to make sure those bills get paid and the business doesn't get re-possessed...

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Am I the only one who is terrified? [View all] redstatebluegirl Oct 2013 OP

Yes I am quite concerned gopiscrap Oct 2013 #1

I hope that, despite the public announcements, the President is willing to Swede Atlanta Oct 2013 #114

Me too gopiscrap Oct 2013 #129

yes Chaco Dundee Oct 2013 #157

I don't think you are alone by any means. el_bryanto Oct 2013 #2

Not the only one shenmue Oct 2013 #3

Expect nothing, then one is never disappointed. It's just stuff, our lives are just stuff lonestarnot Oct 2013 #4

"The most dangerous creation of any society is the person who has nothing to lose". Zorra Oct 2013 #27

How many have pigliCONs put into that position? lonestarnot Oct 2013 #29

everybody is afraid. that is their goal. that's what makes the GOP terrorists. magical thyme Oct 2013 #5

This is what I think meadowlark5 Oct 2013 #18

I think PBO plans to invoke 14.4 at 12:01 am on 10/17 underthematrix Oct 2013 #33

Question if the president invoked the 14th... Lobo27 Oct 2013 #46

I expect it could go to the supreme court magical thyme Oct 2013 #102

And that is why using the 14th Amendment and/or a trillion $ coin will not be a full solution. kelly1mm Oct 2013 #106

it will be a full solution once it all falls out.... magical thyme Oct 2013 #145

It is not a question of whether it "could go" to the SCOTUS... Swede Atlanta Oct 2013 #116

I think they are more the party of the 1% than the party of the teabaggers magical thyme Oct 2013 #126

The question is whether the case would be dismissed. merrily Oct 2013 #148

I hope so too LukeFL Oct 2013 #136

I wonder if this would be impeachable. tofuandbeer Oct 2013 #42

Why would it be impeachable? JDPriestly Oct 2013 #54

Your argument sounds very reasonable to me. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #138

Thanks for the clarity. Which puts in sharp focus this cheap minority party drama. ancianita Oct 2013 #147

I agree that conviction is unlikely because a 2/3 Senate vote is not possible. merrily Oct 2013 #149

thanks!! so clear BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2013 #158

even if it was rdking647 Oct 2013 #58

Yeah, I didn't think the GOP would accomplish it, but I know they've been tofuandbeer Oct 2013 #65

If it can be dragged into the 2014 election Politicalboi Oct 2013 #73

Nope tavalon Oct 2013 #120

"Impeachable" is whatever a majority of the House decides is impeachable . . . markpkessinger Oct 2013 #69

I hope the Repugs think it is . sendero Oct 2013 #94

I agree.... go west young man Oct 2013 #135

They will look like even greater fools. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #139

I would fucking dare the Teahadists to try and Impeach Obama DearAbby Oct 2013 #45

They crossed the line from terrorists to traitors burnsei sensei Oct 2013 #144

Thank you. You speak for many of us out here. leveymg Oct 2013 #6

I think what bothers me the most is redstatebluegirl Oct 2013 #8

actually the corporations and money people are freaking out too arely staircase Oct 2013 #11

I hope they are placing calls to Boehner, Cantor, McConnell Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2013 #84

I blame the Republicans. This 'both sides' crap just does not apply in this case. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #12

+1 dionysus Oct 2013 #134

That's where we differ.. I know that President Obama and his Admin Cha Oct 2013 #95

I love your new avatar, Cha! sheshe2 Oct 2013 #111

Hey sheshe! Thought I'd Cha Oct 2013 #113

The Admin, they are doing everything in there power to stop this Cha. sheshe2 Oct 2013 #115

Since the teaparty rephucks won't do it unless the ACA Law of the land is Cha Oct 2013 #118

I have read some pros and cons on using the 14th. sheshe2 Oct 2013 #122

Isn't it fun to watch the boys playing on the playground? tavalon Oct 2013 #121

I am very concerned as well nt maryellen99 Oct 2013 #7

Americans would be better off if we all started screaming! k&r polichick Oct 2013 #9

I have been calling all my reps and senators redstatebluegirl Oct 2013 #10

I was thinking that maybe people should start visiting those gerrymandered... polichick Oct 2013 #14

We'd all need to carry pitchforks. I doubt that would go over too big. Frustratedlady Oct 2013 #15

Capitol police would shoot us dead if we carried anything even remotely resembling Jamastiene Oct 2013 #96

Everyday scares the hell out of me. Marrah_G Oct 2013 #13

This statement of yours, I think is a reality for too many Americans. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #24

I agree Marrah_G Oct 2013 #26

Check to check is how 840high Oct 2013 #98

Marrah BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #141

You are not alone. Triana Oct 2013 #16

I'm terrified as well Metro135 Oct 2013 #17

We got this!!!!! Cryptoad Oct 2013 #19

Really? Just who is 'we'? SammyWinstonJack Oct 2013 #31

We be the Democratic Party,,,,,,, nt Cryptoad Oct 2013 #70

I have been on DU more the past few weeks trying to make sense of all of this. redstatebluegirl Oct 2013 #20

You are not alone oldandhappy Oct 2013 #21

I could use one, thanks! redstatebluegirl Oct 2013 #22

It is a crazy scary time all over. Voice for Peace Oct 2013 #25

I make $70k a year... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #23

You are not alone. mnhtnbb Oct 2013 #28

Welcome to corporate America. Kermitt Gribble Oct 2013 #30

I'm beyond terrified. factsarenotfair Oct 2013 #32

We're with you girl... thatgemguy Oct 2013 #34

In 2014 let's see how many fail to the polls underthematrix Oct 2013 #35

The debt ceiling default is coming - Cruz would have it no other way Faygo Kid Oct 2013 #36

You are right, they want it all. Every last dime. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #55

You only have to kiss them goodbye if you sell LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #87

I agree. Can't imagine how terrifying to have no safety net at all........ joanbarnes Oct 2013 #37

Why can't these backward uneducated people who elect these redstatebluegirl Oct 2013 #38

I think it is not only cultural issues maryellen99 Oct 2013 #68

I found this OldEurope Oct 2013 #39

If the pubs do that the stock market will take a big hit AAO Oct 2013 #40

Be brave. kentuck Oct 2013 #41

I am also terrified. RebelOne Oct 2013 #43

I hear you, RebelOne. So many in the same boat, tens of millions. The stress would kill many quick. freshwest Oct 2013 #80

No. I just had my worst week ever at my clinic. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #44

We have really pulled in the spending. redstatebluegirl Oct 2013 #47

In the late 90's early 2000's my father... Lobo27 Oct 2013 #48

Scared here, too. graywarrior Oct 2013 #49

Hugs to you, I know how that feels. redstatebluegirl Oct 2013 #52

No, you are not alone. And what is happening is extremely unfair. maui902 Oct 2013 #50

This is an attempt to overthrow our democratic system. AAO Oct 2013 #60

Call your rep's office. Especially since they're red. BlueToTheBone Oct 2013 #51

K&R oxymoron Oct 2013 #53

Certainly not alone dickthegrouch Oct 2013 #56

sounds like my life noiretextatique Oct 2013 #76

im also scared rdking647 Oct 2013 #57

We are going to go through this on an annual basis for years to come. Better get used to it. dkf Oct 2013 #59

Gee thanks.... redstatebluegirl Oct 2013 #62

I've been jumping at every one of these incidents for the last 4 years since Lehman. dkf Oct 2013 #63

... handmade34 Oct 2013 #61

Angry is the appropriate response tavalon Oct 2013 #123

Creativity is the antidote to fear duhneece Oct 2013 #64

Join with your neighbor. Create a neighborly co-op tavalon Oct 2013 #124

You are so right....ORGANIZE duhneece Oct 2013 #160

I am a widow living on Social Security alone, just getting by if I juggle bills. Paper Roses Oct 2013 #66

Yes, I know what you are going through. RebelOne Oct 2013 #75

we hear you Paper Roses Skittles Oct 2013 #83

Most older Boomers are even worse off than you are Warpy Oct 2013 #67

You said it well, Warpy. Paper Roses Oct 2013 #74

"retirement which is in the market and bonds" BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #71

personally, more pissed hopemountain Oct 2013 #72

Not terrified but planting edible roody Oct 2013 #77

i am not terrified. barbtries Oct 2013 #78

Being scared will not change the stakes. If the Democrats, for hypothetical argument, lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #79

You're not the 1%. You don't matter to the people who control your life. nt valerief Oct 2013 #81

I hear you redstatebluegirl Skittles Oct 2013 #82

Me too. Im freaked out about it but at the same time I think its going to work out.. DCBob Oct 2013 #85

I think the feeling of insecurity is very widespread Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #86

I completely understand! redstatebluegirl Oct 2013 #88

Yes - you now have to be in the top 10 or at least 15% to have any security Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #89

Not terrified... yet. MyshkinCommaPrince Oct 2013 #90

This country was in trouble when Geroge Bush Jr was given the office... yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #91

Times like this.. PasadenaTrudy Oct 2013 #92

It really is tough out there. Very scary. ThingsGottaChange Oct 2013 #93

We're all in this together shanti Oct 2013 #130

If it were me, I would get my money out of stocks & be damned careful about bonds as well. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #97

+1 CountAllVotes Oct 2013 #154

2nd Post Stryke Oct 2013 #99

Welcome to DU handmade34 Oct 2013 #105

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #100

The more people are scared, the bigger "compromise" (assfucking) theyll accept NoOneMan Oct 2013 #101

I'm 100% with you. This keeps me awake at night for real. cheapdate Oct 2013 #103

I want to clarify that I'm not afraid of default so much as that President Obama will capitulate to magical thyme Oct 2013 #104

Agree. He must not capitulate. Be not afraid - the kiranon Oct 2013 #108

In 2005, after another questionable and uncontested election, bvar22 Oct 2013 #107

I think this is by design Lonr Oct 2013 #109

I agree with this assessment Skittles Oct 2013 #110

The Republicans are Terrorists, and yet the DC DEMS treat them like equals. blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #112

I'm scared out of my wits lanlady Oct 2013 #117

No, you aren't the only one and yet, tavalon Oct 2013 #119

''What you resist, persists.'' ~Carl Jung - K&R n/t DeSwiss Oct 2013 #125

I will be 64 this week TNNurse Oct 2013 #127

those 12 hour shifts get harder and harder Skittles Oct 2013 #133

Happy Birthday! Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #159

Happy Birthday TNNurse Oct 2013 #162

Not retiring anytime soon. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #163

No, me too Politicub Oct 2013 #128

I'm nervous, but not scared. I refuse to be scared of these fools. mountain grammy Oct 2013 #131

The Hard times ltheghost Oct 2013 #132

Ok, so you're not the poorest JNelson6563 Oct 2013 #137

Thank you Julie BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #142

Stay strong friend! JNelson6563 Oct 2013 #161

This message was self-deleted by its author Alkene Oct 2013 #140

everyone feeling same.. MichaelKelley Oct 2013 #143

As one 100% reliant on a federal pension with annabanana Oct 2013 #146

I am so very sorry for your troubles and hope that default does not add to them. merrily Oct 2013 #150

Terrified CountAllVotes Oct 2013 #151

Anyone who is not afraid isn't paying attention liberal N proud Oct 2013 #152

Terrified is how they want us. merrily Oct 2013 #153

you should be Chaco Dundee Oct 2013 #155

I called my Representatives office again this morning. redstatebluegirl Oct 2013 #156

Not the only one. ladyVet Oct 2013 #164