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BelgianMadCow

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8. There's also the use of bonds that pay an interest, but never promise to repay any of the principal
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 04:00 PM
Oct 2013

these bonds are called consols, and don't count against the debt ceiling, it would seem.

They are the fifth option in a piece on NakedCapitalism:

In two previous posts, here and here, I listed the five options the Administration can use to lessen or nullify the impact of Republican intransigence on increasing the debt limit. I’ll now list them again to emphasize that there is no TINA. The President has options to defeat the debt ceiling without doing the “Great Betrayal.”

1. A selective default strategy by the Executive, prioritizing not paying for things that Congress needed, and perhaps not paying debt to the Fed when it falls due and working with the Fed to get the $2.05 Trillion in bonds that it was holding canceled;

2. An exploding option involving selling a 90-day option to the Fed for purchasing some Federal property for $ 2 Trillion. Then when Congress lifts the debt ceiling, the Treasury could buy back the option for one dollar, or the Fed could simply let the option expire;

3. Using the authority of a 1996 law to mint proof platinum coins with arbitrary face values in the trillions of dollars to fill the Treasury General Account (TGA) with enough money to cease issuing debt instruments, and even enough to pay off the existing debt; and

4. Using the authority of the 14th Amendment to keep issuing debt in defiance of the debt ceiling, while declaring that the debt ceiling legislation was unconstitutional because it violated the 14th Amendment in the context of Congressional appropriations passed after the debt ceiling mandating deficit spending.

5. Beowulf has offered yet a fifth option for getting around the debt ceiling by issuing consols. Consols are debt instruments that pay a fixed rate on interest in perpetuity, but never promise principal repayment at a maturity date. The debt ceiling law is written in such a way that what counts against the ceiling is the principal repayment guaranteed by the instrument. Since consols provide no principal repayment, one can have unlimited consol issuance without increasing the debt-subject-to-the-limit.


Read more at http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/10/joe-firestone-stop-the-great-betrayal-kabuki-update.html#FHqzFOBzDxU68T2Z.99

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Yard Sale! Roland99 Oct 2013 #1
Wouldn't that still devalue the current debt because it caps the interest? landolfi Oct 2013 #2
Callable, face value, zero coupon bearer bonds. A HERETIC I AM Oct 2013 #3
But, it changes the original contract to less favorable terms, and thus devalues it landolfi Oct 2013 #5
Read the OP again. A HERETIC I AM Oct 2013 #7
I did read it, still default IMNSHO landolfi Oct 2013 #14
The effect of this would likely be similar to an actual default. PoliticAverse Oct 2013 #4
It would send the message that the United States is a credit risk BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #6
That message is already out there and it WON'T make Wall Street "happy". A HERETIC I AM Oct 2013 #9
Wall Street *will* be happy to get their money AND to put this president on the path to impeachment. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #13
There's also the use of bonds that pay an interest, but never promise to repay any of the principal BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #8
THAT makes perfect sense, Benton D Struckcheon Oct 2013 #10
Why would an investor want to buy that? DCBob Oct 2013 #11
An investor would convert a sum he had now into a perpetual stream BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #12
No it wouldn't.... A HERETIC I AM Oct 2013 #16
I can follow why the interest could be lower. But these consols aren't callable BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #17
Any security of this type can have a call provision at the outset. n/t A HERETIC I AM Oct 2013 #18
OK, but then the consol would count against the debt limit, so such a provision would then BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #19
LOL...I think we're getting above my pay grade! A HERETIC I AM Oct 2013 #20
Well, I didn't find any contemporary examples of consols, but BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #21
Re: your last sentence: Exactly. A HERETIC I AM Oct 2013 #22
What would stop a future president from issuing scrip to fund things congressrefuses to fund Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #15
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