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dairydog91

(951 posts)
19. Are people really buying this "Sedition"/"treason" quackery?
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:25 PM
Oct 2013

You can't criminalize legislating or failing to legislate, because legislating or failing to legislate is Congress's prerogative. Congress members have the power to legislate, even if they're assholes about it. Congress members have almost full Constitutional immunity when they're legislating (i.e. under Article One, Section 6). Congress may make its internal rules, and it may even impeach its own members, but other branches must keep their hands off. Congress members answer to their constituents; if a majority of House members' constituents actually want a shutdown, well, then it's time to start stockpiling supplies. You can't override Congress's Constitutional powers with a sedition law; even if you could convince a court that the sedition law otherwise applies, the Constitution would bar applying that law to the act of legislators legislating.

Trying to apply "Sedition" logic to a legislature's actions is bizarre; of course Congress may refuse to carry out an act of legislation. Criminalizing legislators when they refuse to vote how you want them to is an act of dictatorship (grossly so in the case of a system of government that's supposed to separate the legislative and the executive), and there's no amount of yelling "MY TEAM" that changes that. Hell, under this logic any legislator who voted to condemn the Iraq War a few years ago could have been charged with sedition. Following this train of legal "thought", under which any vote by a legislator which goes against fully executing a previously law is considered sedition, it WOULD have been sedition to vote in any way against the Iraq War (After all, you'd be hindering the execution of the Authorization of Military Force, which was a U.S. law).

In short, if you want the kind of legal system where legislators can be punished for "wrong" votes, there are any number of tinpot dictatorships available. I'll take the U.S., despite its flaws.

So is extortion. shraby Oct 2013 #1
yes. nt LaydeeBug Oct 2013 #55
Facebook it. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #2
I just stuck it on John Boner's Face Book Page. I might go down the list and stick it on all the Maraya1969 Oct 2013 #68
Oh I love that idea! NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #69
YUP, the entire gop should be arrested gopiscrap Oct 2013 #3
But a large part of the cops and prosecutors are RW FrodosPet Oct 2013 #24
So how does that play out? Let's say the Teabagger members of Transgress valerief Oct 2013 #4
We have a lot of work to do, but what they are doing is Criminal Heather MC Oct 2013 #5
Boehner is the leader. He's not calling a vote. nt valerief Oct 2013 #6
I am not removing Boner from responsiblity Heather MC Oct 2013 #9
The parent of the crying baby is the leader, not the crying baby. nt valerief Oct 2013 #10
ha ha Fine but in biblical times the baby would have gotten the sword Heather MC Oct 2013 #13
Whatever. I'm an atheist, so I don't care about Christian stuff. nt valerief Oct 2013 #53
The last thing we need... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #59
I thought we had that, considering the abortion limits in this country. nt valerief Oct 2013 #60
I should have said more... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #62
No redefinion needed. former9thward Oct 2013 #8
Criminal mchallenger7 Oct 2013 #7
I don't believe the ACA ever had a thing to with this Heather MC Oct 2013 #11
I keep wondering what the Kochbros have against the ACA wordpix Oct 2013 #23
They hate the idea of The Commons, a community pot, & a safety net. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #40
In a just society there have to be limits on both ends FiveGoodMen Oct 2013 #49
I wonder how many companies the Koch Bros will be able to buy cheap if it blows up LiberalArkie Oct 2013 #32
I think it's been pretty well established mindwalker_i Oct 2013 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author RainDog Oct 2013 #14
Agreed POLITICAL RAPISTS that needs to be spelled correctly on a protest poster Heather MC Oct 2013 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author RainDog Oct 2013 #16
Sorry not about you I was poorly referring to all the Tea party Protest posters that are filled with Heather MC Oct 2013 #17
This impulse I've seen over the past few days to criminalize political differences tritsofme Oct 2013 #18
To be fair, this is a bit more than "political differences" tkmorris Oct 2013 #20
It should not be acceptable politically. But it is in no way unlawful onenote Oct 2013 #54
Very well said, tritsofme! Shemp Howard Oct 2013 #28
There are real world consequences to political actions. Diego_Native 2012 Oct 2013 #58
Are people really buying this "Sedition"/"treason" quackery? dairydog91 Oct 2013 #19
Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #21
It is not true that Republicons had no input to the ACA. raging moderate Oct 2013 #25
Perhaps, Clown is Down Oct 2013 #33
No Obama doesn't/didn't. All he can do is either sign/veto the bill. RC Oct 2013 #39
He unilaterally suspended the employer mandate even though the law doesn't allow him to do so Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #46
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #52
And let them. Our next opportunity for redress is the mid-terms. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #34
Agreed... Clown is Down Oct 2013 #38
And the fact we can and will do so disproves the "It's a coup!" antics. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #48
I could buy into the sedition argument except the law notably uses the word "by force" wordpix Oct 2013 #27
It's appealing to those wishing it were so Chico Man Oct 2013 #43
Outstanding post. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #44
Yes!! Moe Shinola Oct 2013 #64
You'd think 60 minutes would do an hour show on Seditious Conspiracy! B Calm Oct 2013 #22
Well...we all know the government doesnt feel like it has to follow its own laws davidn3600 Oct 2013 #26
Members of Congress have immunity for what they say and do while in the Halls of Congress. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #29
sorry you cant redefine force to suit you pasto76 Oct 2013 #30
I didn't add that as is posted on the bottom of the image, click on the link. I found this on FB Heather MC Oct 2013 #36
Dont get me wrong I think the republicans are behaving like giant douchebags but I do not cstanleytech Oct 2013 #31
That's the point they haven't decided anything Heather MC Oct 2013 #37
Sorry but that doesnt mean they committed the crime the OP is trying to claim they did. nt cstanleytech Oct 2013 #41
I raised the issue--sedition--when I wrote to POTUS last Thursday. mnhtnbb Oct 2013 #35
This one should fall under the RICO act, the billionaires pulling the strings need to be taken away Snake Plissken Oct 2013 #42
But congress has not commited a crime. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #50
A refusal to do something is not force. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #45
Look how tough I am! Sedition! Treason! Terrorism! NuclearDem Oct 2013 #47
The DOJ is too tied up with arresting and prosecuting medical marijuana growers Zorra Oct 2013 #51
jpg stolen & spread . . . k&r, n/t annabanana Oct 2013 #56
. blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #57
Brava, Heather MC! I am with you... CapnSteve Oct 2013 #61
better than jailing them rdking647 Oct 2013 #63
Not sedition. Not treason. No Text. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #65
It'll never happen! BillyRibs Oct 2013 #66
I wish, but it'll be Look Forward Not Back. NorthCarolina Oct 2013 #67
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