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A HERETIC I AM

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50. The poster I responded to said....

Mon Oct 7, 2013, 02:28 PM

Oct 2013

the the 49'ers, Packers and Steelers were region related.

OK, Steelers I get because the overwhelming majority of steel production in the days when the team changed its name was within a few hundred miles of Pittsburgh, not to mention Pittsburgh and the immediate area had a HUGE steel industry.

The 49'ers...well...OK, as it was a term given to (mostly) men who migrated to California for the gold rush in 1849.

But the meat packing industry is not unique to northern Wisconsin nor is it even to the upper midwest.

The REAL reason the Packers have that name is because Curly Lambeau solicited funds for uniforms from his employer, the Indian Packing Company.

It could have just as easily been the Des Moines Packers or the Chicago Packers.

I just found that statement curious, that's all.

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Does the Washington Redskins' name and logo honor Native Americans or not? [View all] CreekDog Oct 2013 OP

Not until they square off against the Pale Faces BeyondGeography Oct 2013 #1

Or the Angry White Farmers. Kaleva Oct 2013 #6

The Fighting Irish are not a pro team jberryhill Oct 2013 #15

Cowboys vs. Redskins anyone? Leopolds Ghost Oct 2013 #7

The name predates the Cowboys' existence by almost 30 years Recursion Oct 2013 #75

I got no problem with the name Leopolds Ghost Oct 2013 #92

The name certainly isn't intended as an insult LittleBlue Oct 2013 #2

so how much money goes to Native Americans from the lucrative logo and name? CreekDog Oct 2013 #4

Probably none. But they are not required to LittleBlue Oct 2013 #12

but then how does it honor Native Americans if it's just to make the team money? CreekDog Oct 2013 #16

I don't think it was chosen to make the team money or honor LittleBlue Oct 2013 #18

just use what's supposed to be their name and likenesses to make money CreekDog Oct 2013 #19

They are just using a name brand they've built over 70+ years LittleBlue Oct 2013 #22

most of that history they wouldn't hire black players --is that the history they should hold onto? CreekDog Oct 2013 #29

I reject the idea that the logo is racist LittleBlue Oct 2013 #37

why am i even arguing with you? CreekDog Oct 2013 #40

Argue with Robert "Two Eagles" Green LittleBlue Oct 2013 #43

so you're saying one guy who likes the names trumps all those who thinks it's offensive? CreekDog Oct 2013 #45

He said the majority of this tribe don't find it offensive LittleBlue Oct 2013 #53

it's still just one guy CreekDog Oct 2013 #57

Polls please LittleBlue Oct 2013 #61

so you tell me that one guy's opinion is enough for you CreekDog Oct 2013 #63

I just gave you a poll of Native Americans LittleBlue Oct 2013 #71

degenerate is not the same thing as denigrate hfojvt Oct 2013 #69

Most Native Americans seem to be fine with the name at least according to polling. PragmaticLiberal Oct 2013 #60

The National Congress of American Indians JonLP24 Oct 2013 #66

Absolutely, there are Native American groups advocating a name change. PragmaticLiberal Oct 2013 #72

The name is arguably racist but i fail to see how the logo is MadBadger Oct 2013 #68

So all it takes is some money and you're not insulted? krawhitham Oct 2013 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Oct 2013 #20

No, but I think that the lack of money makes it obvious any "honor" intended is hollow CreekDog Oct 2013 #32

Maybe when the team name was created in 1933 as the Boston Redskins, the term was not seen as Fla Dem Oct 2013 #26

I'm curious if instead of the 49'ers.... A HERETIC I AM Oct 2013 #27

No, "redskins" is a derogatory term based off Native American skin tone Scootaloo Oct 2013 #86

If Native Americans say it doesn't, then it doesn't. randome Oct 2013 #3

How many Amerindians does it require to validate or invalidate something as an insult? LanternWaste Oct 2013 #21

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? randome Oct 2013 #30

No, it's a racial term that should be done away with. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #5

Must we say goodbye to the Fightin' Irish, too? Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #9

Yes, we should. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #10

NCAA actually considered it JonLP24 Oct 2013 #35

Yes they should do away with the "Fighting Irish" coldmountain Oct 2013 #91

I think it's that whole fighting spirit thing. Indians had a rep as scary fighters. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #8

"Packers" is region related? n/t A HERETIC I AM Oct 2013 #31

Yes. nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #34

So there are no meat packing houses outside the region of Green Bay? n/t A HERETIC I AM Oct 2013 #36

Why would this be relevant? Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #39

The poster I responded to said.... A HERETIC I AM Oct 2013 #50

They had packing houses there. That's all I meant. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #81

so there are soldiers that weren't scary? CreekDog Oct 2013 #38

I've never seen a sports team called The Fightin' Conscientious Objectors Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #42

The Fighting Papal Guard LittleBlue Oct 2013 #47

so only Native American fighters were brave and scary? CreekDog Oct 2013 #49

You ought to learn logic. That does not follow from my post. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #78

There are examples where it's debatable but the Redskins and the Cleveland Indians? el_bryanto Oct 2013 #11

Chief Wahoo must go KamaAina Oct 2013 #14

yeah, that's an absurd design n/t Divine Discontent Oct 2013 #25

I don't know. HappyMe Oct 2013 #13

/\/\/\/\ yes/\/\/\/\ dembotoz Oct 2013 #23

The correct answer IMHO-if Native Americans are insulted (and I would be)-then change it. Boomerproud Oct 2013 #51

So, my answer was 'incorrect'? HappyMe Oct 2013 #56

great-grandmother was Cherokee, she was fierce I'm told Divine Discontent Oct 2013 #24

"Braves" and names after specific tribes (i.e. "Seminoles") are one thing. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2013 #28

This controversy has been around for a long time arikara Oct 2013 #33

Nine of you think the name "Redskins" honors Native Americans? Iggo Oct 2013 #41

Do you think they chose the name to dishonor them? Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #44

because they were so honorable that they were banning blacks from their team at the same time? CreekDog Oct 2013 #46

The person who came up with the name JonLP24 Oct 2013 #48

"Fight For Old DIXIE" was the original lyric. . . DinahMoeHum Oct 2013 #83

Yes. I think that. Iggo Oct 2013 #55

2 of the names don't surprise me JonLP24 Oct 2013 #54

I do not think the logo is disrespectful, Jenoch Oct 2013 #52

and what were the other ways that the University of North Dakota honored the Sioux? CreekDog Oct 2013 #58

You obviouosly no little about UND. Jenoch Oct 2013 #65

:/ Go Vols Oct 2013 #64

As a Minnesotan, Jenoch Oct 2013 #67

Its an excerpt from Go Vols Oct 2013 #76

I should have know from your username. Jenoch Oct 2013 #77

If they gained support from local Dakota tribes JonLP24 Oct 2013 #70

There are two tribes in North Dakota, Jenoch Oct 2013 #74

I saw that after my post JonLP24 Oct 2013 #80

Change it to the Washington Wienies and let Oscar Mayer sue them. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #59

Context is all. Orsino Oct 2013 #62

We know why it was chosen: when they moved to Fenway they wanted to tie in with the Red Sox Recursion Oct 2013 #73

I don't follow basketball, so I didn't vote. MineralMan Oct 2013 #79

Heh. Smart move. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #82

I'm always interested in who declines to participate Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #84

Most DUers decline to participate. pintobean Oct 2013 #87

I think these 'internet polls' are bullshit, that's why I stopped Jenoch Oct 2013 #88

Believe it or not, the Washington Redskins have decided to change their offensive team name. Jenoch Oct 2013 #85

Hell no. Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #89

Long Island towns named after Native tribes HockeyMom Oct 2013 #90