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In reply to the discussion: Question for those callling the shutdown an act of sedition [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)97. I didn't say
I generally agree and enjoy your posts, and while I agree that as a matter of public policy the position staked out by the repubs in the government shutdown battle is irresponsible and immoral (although I'd stop short of unethical since that makes it sound illegal), its not illegal and it is indeed the fact that the House and the Senate have each passed CRs but neither has chosen to pass the same CR as the other one and neither is legally obligated to do so. Yes, the Senate agreed to a CR with a lower number than the Senate's budget. That doesn't mean that the repubs are somehow legally barred from playing hardball to try and get more. And nothing stops the Senate from passing a new CR with a higher number and sending it to the House. Indeed, I wish they would have done that with the "partial" funding bills -- reopen the park service, but at the Senate's proposed funding level, not the lower funding level the House wanted.
So "No" seems like a strong response to the completely factual statement that House is refusing to pass the Senate's CR and the Senate is refusing to pass the CR sent to them by the House.
So "No" seems like a strong response to the completely factual statement that House is refusing to pass the Senate's CR and the Senate is refusing to pass the CR sent to them by the House.
...or imply that it was "illegal." And, no, the Senate passed a compromise offered by House Republicans. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023809676
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Actually, conspiring to have the country go into default by not allowing a vote might be a violation
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#3
As contemptable as Republicans are, they are using the rules to hold the government hostage.
randome
Oct 2013
#5
Actually allowing the country to default is a violation of the 14th amendment, and I will guarantee
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#8
actually if you don't raise the debt limit for money spent, it means you are in default on your debt
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#55
The money is already spent. Raising the debt limit is a formality, but a necessary one
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#64
The shutdown is the budget, not the debt ceiling. It is a different issue
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#68
What? Where do you guys get this stuff? The debt is the cumulative deficits of all budgets.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#69
The offical postion of the Exectuive Branch (Obama) is that they do not authority under the 14th
Agnosticsherbet
Oct 2013
#16
Where in the world did you come up with the idea I think the House should get its way?
onenote
Oct 2013
#122
You keep saying that the Senate passed a bill that had been passed by the House. That's not true.
onenote
Oct 2013
#125
"You are correct that when the two houses pass different versions of the same bill..."
ProSense
Oct 2013
#136
When you advocate having the constitutional process subverted by force of arms
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#10
I'm sorry, but shutting down the government because they don't like Obamacare
Downtown Hound
Oct 2013
#25
So accept votes for stop-gap bills. VIOLA! You aren't holding out for politics, are you?
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#30
No, you only care about now because you practice totalitarian political thuggery.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#100
Oh and, my idea may not sound progressive (not that I really give a shit)
Downtown Hound
Oct 2013
#77
I'm not the one ruining the United States of America so people can't get
Downtown Hound
Oct 2013
#91
You want to destroy everything about America: free speech, right to dissent, political process
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#102
It's not the first time. In fact, I've always thought we agreed far more than we disagreed.
onenote
Oct 2013
#62
You ask what the penalty should be, censure for refusing to allow the house to vote. /nt
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#9
Even if they fold and raise that debt limit, the government will remain shut down.
Agnosticsherbet
Oct 2013
#20