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Thinking about long term consequences is defending the fascists. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #1
They never think that far. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #2
Rigghhtt.... Katashi_itto Oct 2013 #133
could not disagree more! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2013 #142
Actually, conspiring to have the country go into default by not allowing a vote might be a violation lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #3
That is blackmail plain and simple madokie Oct 2013 #141
Republicans need to vote to reopen the Government so ProSense Oct 2013 #4
As contemptable as Republicans are, they are using the rules to hold the government hostage. randome Oct 2013 #5
Actually allowing the country to default is a violation of the 14th amendment, and I will guarantee lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #8
Not raising the debt limit isn't default. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #12
actually if you don't raise the debt limit for money spent, it means you are in default on your debt lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #55
You can't spend new money if it exceeds the DL -- hence the term. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #63
The money is already spent. Raising the debt limit is a formality, but a necessary one lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #64
No it's not, that's why we're in shutdown. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #66
The shutdown is the budget, not the debt ceiling. It is a different issue lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #68
What? Where do you guys get this stuff? The debt is the cumulative deficits of all budgets. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #69
yes. Question can they raise the debt ceiling without a budget? lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #70
Of course .... oldhippie Oct 2013 #80
Yes, that's how it's actually done but Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #83
Ok, thanks lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #96
Ok, thanks lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #98
The offical postion of the Exectuive Branch (Obama) is that they do not authority under the 14th Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #16
We will see soon enough lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #57
I stand with the Fourteenth Amendment solution. truedelphi Oct 2013 #86
Actually, they're not ProSense Oct 2013 #59
All of which may be true. None of which is illegal. onenote Oct 2013 #60
No, ProSense Oct 2013 #76
No. onenote Oct 2013 #93
I didn't say ProSense Oct 2013 #97
Yes and no. onenote Oct 2013 #108
Here's what happened. ProSense Oct 2013 #111
The Senate did not pass a bill that had been passed by the House onenote Oct 2013 #114
You are wrong. ProSense Oct 2013 #118
Huh? Are you saying the House and Senate passed the exact same bill? onenote Oct 2013 #119
So ProSense Oct 2013 #121
Where in the world did you come up with the idea I think the House should get its way? onenote Oct 2013 #122
No, ProSense Oct 2013 #124
You keep saying that the Senate passed a bill that had been passed by the House. That's not true. onenote Oct 2013 #125
Apparently ProSense Oct 2013 #126
ProSense, how can you continue to say ..... oldhippie Oct 2013 #127
Such bills ProSense Oct 2013 #129
How can you say .......... oldhippie Oct 2013 #132
OMG, you jumped into the discussion, and I mistook you for the other poster ProSense Oct 2013 #134
And also ....... oldhippie Oct 2013 #128
Right, but the differences are hashed out in conference. n/t ProSense Oct 2013 #135
No, wrong. They are not ...... oldhippie Oct 2013 #137
Good grief ProSense Oct 2013 #138
It depends on what the definition of "ARE" is ....... oldhippie Oct 2013 #140
If the House and Senate don't pass the same bill it doesn't become law. onenote Oct 2013 #131
"You are correct that when the two houses pass different versions of the same bill..." ProSense Oct 2013 #136
"What do you think should happen..." oldhippie Oct 2013 #139
what do I think should happen? onenote Oct 2013 #143
If Republicans are actively destroying the already damaged U.S. economy Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #6
When you advocate having the constitutional process subverted by force of arms Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #10
Isn't that what the Republicans are doing? Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #13
I must have missed the arms then. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #14
Well, they are subverting the constituational process Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #17
After that stretch, I'm ready to go work out. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #21
Have a good workout. Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #23
Except they aren't subverting the process Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #24
I'm sorry, but shutting down the government because they don't like Obamacare Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #25
So accept votes for stop-gap bills. VIOLA! You aren't holding out for politics, are you? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #30
Me thinks your true colors are starting to show. Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #31
What part of what I worte was untrue and how was it untrue? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #33
First of all, not raising the debt ceiling WILL CAUSE US TO DEFAULT Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #40
See my example in post 41 Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #44
Why not endorse that? Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #49
"Because it sets a bad precedent" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #51
Not a hypocrite Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #54
Nobody has a gun to your head. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #65
A metaphorical gun Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #74
"that dissent has to be within the proper framework." Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #82
I don't give a fuck what happened decades ago Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #95
No, you only care about now because you practice totalitarian political thuggery. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #100
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You're running around here throwing f-bombs left, right and center Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #112
no it won't Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #67
Okay then, fine Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #72
not progressive. Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #73
Fuck balanced budgets Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #75
I was referring to Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #78
It's the Republicans, and ONLY THE REPUBLICANS Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #92
We shouldn't give in. onenote Oct 2013 #103
So what about being in violation of the 14th amendment? Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #106
Oh and, my idea may not sound progressive (not that I really give a shit) Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #77
"my idea may not sound progressive " Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #84
I'm not the one ruining the United States of America so people can't get Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #91
You want to destroy everything about America: free speech, right to dissent, political process Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #102
So by restoring the government and constitutional law Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #109
None of your complaints have any bearing on the Constitution. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #113
How does endimg the government shutdown by executive fiat onenote Oct 2013 #115
Oh and on a final note Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #79
fair to the Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #81
Sorry about the poor Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #90
If you deny them services do they get to keep their revenue? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #85
Sure. Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #89
what makes you think arms are required? demwing Oct 2013 #110
They aren't having anyone arrested by armed personnel Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #19
No, they're just letting them starve and killing their futures Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #22
Crime by abstraction doesn't count Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #26
No, that's a really stupid comparison. n/t Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #27
It's pretty much what the "It's TREASON!" crowd is arguing. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #32
The 14th amendment: Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #36
Insurrection requires armed force. You're the only advocating that. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #41
We're not talking about your new Xbox One here, sonnyboy Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #46
I swear I can see spittle flecks on your monitor. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #50
That's your own monitor you're looking at, not mine Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #52
So you would subvert the Constitution. onenote Oct 2013 #61
Given that the Consittution is already subverted Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #71
Ermagerd alcibiades_mystery Oct 2013 #7
It's not the first time. In fact, I've always thought we agreed far more than we disagreed. onenote Oct 2013 #62
You ask what the penalty should be, censure for refusing to allow the house to vote. /nt lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #9
"Bad! Bad Republicans!" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #11
LOL. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #18
2014 lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #58
Exactly. GOTV 2014 Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #120
I think you mean "censure" onenote Oct 2013 #88
Thank-you lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #104
How well did the Aliens and Sedition Acts work out for Adams? Abq_Sarah Oct 2013 #15
Even if they fold and raise that debt limit, the government will remain shut down. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #20
is your name Johnny? Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #28
:drumroll: Rex Oct 2013 #39
Pretty simple, actually ..... oldhippie Oct 2013 #29
And the war will be over by Christmas! Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #34
Who wins? nt oldhippie Oct 2013 #43
Syria Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #45
How's that? Its' fabulous onenote Oct 2013 #101
I though that was pretty good .... oldhippie Oct 2013 #107
You don't get to jail your political enemies because they do stupid things. Arkana Oct 2013 #35
I'm not going to shut someone down for saying it. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #37
Since when did we start living by minority rule in Congress? Rex Oct 2013 #38
Minority rule became the law inside the US House of Reps, truedelphi Oct 2013 #87
There has always been an element of minority rule. onenote Oct 2013 #99
So your argument is going to be right no matter what anyone says. Rex Oct 2013 #116
Cut It Out! BKH70041 Oct 2013 #42
^^ Best Comment Yet! ^^ nt oldhippie Oct 2013 #47
Relax, BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #48
You are using logic Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #53
Defaulting and shutdowns shouldn't be an option for ANY party ecstatic Oct 2013 #56
Then the Constitution should be amended to change how the government is funded onenote Oct 2013 #94
NDAA has a provision for dealing with enemy combatants ... GeorgeGist Oct 2013 #117
Are you suggesting the president declare the GOP as enemy combatants Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #123
Hey, it's not dictatorship if YOU support him! dairydog91 Oct 2013 #130
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