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Bjorn Against

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73. The letter clearly stated that they wanted contraceptives tied to the CR and debt ceiling

Reply to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #69)

Wed Oct 9, 2013, 07:50 AM

Oct 2013

Rug claimed they never mentioned the debt ceiling, this is completely false.

Pushing a dirty CR is what resulted in the shutdown and it was well known that such a thing would result in a shutdown, the bishops encouraged the Teabaggers to push a dirty CR well knowing that this could result in shutdown. The headline is accurate.

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Catholic Bishops wrote letter to GOP calling for shutdown over contraceptives [View all] Bjorn Against Oct 2013 OP

When do they lose their tax exemption? arthritisR_US Oct 2013 #1

sounds like an item worth shutting the govt down over. nt Ilsa Oct 2013 #3

Tax them 80 %...... russspeakeasy Oct 2013 #2

jeez...how sick is that? stillcool Oct 2013 #4

Does this surprise you? MattBaggins Oct 2013 #13

it does...I am used to... stillcool Oct 2013 #22

If they're going to fuck as all, they least they can do is use protection. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #5

This is the kind of crap that makes so many of us despise this church Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #6

+infinity sammytko Oct 2013 #8

Don't forget the Crusades. rug Oct 2013 #9

There is plenty of modern-day crap this bunch of medieval creeps is pulling Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #11

Read the letter they sent. rug Oct 2013 #12

I will never stand for being smeared as a "bigot" for calling out this vile institution. Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #26

That's an overwrought headline. They didn't call for a shutdown. rug Oct 2013 #7

They specifically called for it to be tied to "must pass" legislation Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #14

Which is not the same as calling for a shutdown. rug Oct 2013 #15

When the GOP attached The Obamacare delay to must pass legislation it triggered the shut down Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #17

The GOP wants the ACA stopped. Period. rug Oct 2013 #18

They asked to tie their "conscience exemption" most the country opposes to must pass legislation Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #21

Yes they did and that request will fail in the trash to join most of their other requests. rug Oct 2013 #23

Must pass legislation means the budget, it means the debt ceiling Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #24

It didn't say a word about the debt ceiling, any more than it said a word about the shutdown. rug Oct 2013 #25

Again it said MUST PASS legislation, that means either budget, debt ceiling or both Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #28

Words do matter. And those words were not used. rug Oct 2013 #29

Yes they were used, look at the very first link you provided me Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #30

And? Here's your headline: "Catholic Bishops wrote letter to GOP calling for shutdown" rug Oct 2013 #34

So I suppose you are going to tell me the GOP Congress members are not calling for shutdown either Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #39

Accuracy matters, too. randome Oct 2013 #31

Yes accuracy does matter and Rug's own link shows that he is wrong Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #33

Your own headline shows that you are wrong. rug Oct 2013 #35

No it does not, we are in this shutdown because of policy tied to the continued resolution Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #37

"Catholic Bishops wrote letter to GOP calling for shutdown". That's the headline you wrote. rug Oct 2013 #38

Do you think the teabaggers pushing a dirty CR support a shutdown? Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #40

Say what you want about the RCC, it is far from the Tea Party. rug Oct 2013 #41

They reached out to the Tea Party to push a dirty resolution Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #42

So, are you moving back from shutdown? rug Oct 2013 #43

Hell no I'm not moving back, supporting a dirty CR is supporting the shut down Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #44

For one thing, they were seeking a specific exemption. rug Oct 2013 #45

Maybe the Republicans would take it, it does not change the fact that the bishops pushed a dirty CR Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #46

Then you'd be better off using their actual words, not yours. rug Oct 2013 #47

Sorry, I am not obligated to spin things the way they want me to spin them Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #48

I guess you're not obligated to write accurate headlines either. rug Oct 2013 #50

As I said it is my opinion, this is a discussion site opinions are welcome here Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #51

Well, I'm glad we've established that you headline is, in the end, simply your opinion. rug Oct 2013 #53

It is an opinion based on concrete facts. Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #54

There's definitely concrete involed. rug Oct 2013 #59

Did they or did they not ask for contraceptives to be tied to the debt ceiling? Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #64

No, Rug's link shows that he is correct. Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2013 #69

The letter clearly stated that they wanted contraceptives tied to the CR and debt ceiling Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #73

Yes, the letter said that Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2013 #74

The letter of the 26th talks about the debt ceiling in the same sentence muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #32

While you review #34, I'll ask you when you found the Gospels a good source for political science. rug Oct 2013 #36

Oh dear, rug, your defence of the RC bishops and the shutdown isn't looking good on DU, is it? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #60

Oh, the subthread in which the OP stated the headline is his opinion, not fact? rug Oct 2013 #65

I stated it was an opinion based on concrete fact, I NEVER claimed it was not based on fact. Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #67

No, it is an opinion based on a single phrase, "must pass legislation" Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2013 #81

Well they ARE ACTIVELY LOBBYING and thus forfeit tax exempt status elehhhhna Oct 2013 #57

The OP makes the false claim that the USCCB called for the shutdown. rug Oct 2013 #58

Thanks for pointing it out MFrohike Oct 2013 #19

Well, it's a damn accurate paraphrase. rug Oct 2013 #20

How about this for a headline, these Bishops want to tie their silly superstitions... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #61

How about this? Poster sees political crisis as a religious crisis. rug Oct 2013 #66

Or how about this? Thinkprogress writer lies about letter from Catholic bishops. Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2013 #70

Maybe not. AngryOldDem Oct 2013 #63

That group is allowed wayyyyyyy too much power MattBaggins Oct 2013 #10

But don't forget- Mark Meadows (R-NC) is the Architect of the current shutdown plan Tx4obama Oct 2013 #16

Is it sedition yet?? kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #27

American bishops still going their own way. Peregrine Took Oct 2013 #49

What would Pope Francis say? Sanity Claws Oct 2013 #52

What is needed is for the Federal government to revoke the tax-exempt status for the entire freakin' indepat Oct 2013 #55

Given that the Catholic Church is NOT "formeting rebellion" against the United States Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2013 #71

So urging a governmental shutdown is aok if what you want can't be extorted? indepat Oct 2013 #75

Except that they are NOT "urging a government shutdown" Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2013 #79

Thanks for clarifying this issue indepat Oct 2013 #83

Then they might as well shut down Catholic churches as well Zambero Oct 2013 #56

So they're allowed to shut down the Federal Government... Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #62

These Bishops need to go read that interveiw by the Pope kydo Oct 2013 #68

Maybe they don't think he's serious. bklyncowgirl Oct 2013 #72

Tax 'em! nt City Lights Oct 2013 #76

My friend is a pharamacist who is Catholic fitman Oct 2013 #77

Blowback...incessent demands for shutting government by every fringe idea under the sun. libdem4life Oct 2013 #78

I read the letter that Rug posted again. AngryOldDem Oct 2013 #80

Who the hell do they think they are?! fucking nose outta Cha Oct 2013 #82

Why would anybody give a flying rat's ass what these shitstains have to say? MindPilot Oct 2013 #84