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119. Huh? Are you saying the House and Senate passed the exact same bill?
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 09:27 AM
Oct 2013

You can't be since that's obviously not the case. So I'm somewhat perplexed by your declaration that I'm wrong. Wrong about what, exactly?

The House and Senate have never passed identical funding bills that would then become law when signed by the President. The House passed the first CR, and it had the ACA poison pill in it. The Senate, as Reid had indicated it would, passed its own version of the CR that gave in to the House on the overall funding level, but stripped out the ACA language. And the stalemate, started by the House playing chicken with the Senate, was on.

Thinking about long term consequences is defending the fascists. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #1
They never think that far. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #2
Rigghhtt.... Katashi_itto Oct 2013 #133
could not disagree more! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2013 #142
Actually, conspiring to have the country go into default by not allowing a vote might be a violation lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #3
That is blackmail plain and simple madokie Oct 2013 #141
Republicans need to vote to reopen the Government so ProSense Oct 2013 #4
As contemptable as Republicans are, they are using the rules to hold the government hostage. randome Oct 2013 #5
Actually allowing the country to default is a violation of the 14th amendment, and I will guarantee lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #8
Not raising the debt limit isn't default. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #12
actually if you don't raise the debt limit for money spent, it means you are in default on your debt lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #55
You can't spend new money if it exceeds the DL -- hence the term. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #63
The money is already spent. Raising the debt limit is a formality, but a necessary one lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #64
No it's not, that's why we're in shutdown. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #66
The shutdown is the budget, not the debt ceiling. It is a different issue lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #68
What? Where do you guys get this stuff? The debt is the cumulative deficits of all budgets. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #69
yes. Question can they raise the debt ceiling without a budget? lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #70
Of course .... oldhippie Oct 2013 #80
Yes, that's how it's actually done but Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #83
Ok, thanks lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #96
Ok, thanks lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #98
The offical postion of the Exectuive Branch (Obama) is that they do not authority under the 14th Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #16
We will see soon enough lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #57
I stand with the Fourteenth Amendment solution. truedelphi Oct 2013 #86
Actually, they're not ProSense Oct 2013 #59
All of which may be true. None of which is illegal. onenote Oct 2013 #60
No, ProSense Oct 2013 #76
No. onenote Oct 2013 #93
I didn't say ProSense Oct 2013 #97
Yes and no. onenote Oct 2013 #108
Here's what happened. ProSense Oct 2013 #111
The Senate did not pass a bill that had been passed by the House onenote Oct 2013 #114
You are wrong. ProSense Oct 2013 #118
Huh? Are you saying the House and Senate passed the exact same bill? onenote Oct 2013 #119
So ProSense Oct 2013 #121
Where in the world did you come up with the idea I think the House should get its way? onenote Oct 2013 #122
No, ProSense Oct 2013 #124
You keep saying that the Senate passed a bill that had been passed by the House. That's not true. onenote Oct 2013 #125
Apparently ProSense Oct 2013 #126
ProSense, how can you continue to say ..... oldhippie Oct 2013 #127
Such bills ProSense Oct 2013 #129
How can you say .......... oldhippie Oct 2013 #132
OMG, you jumped into the discussion, and I mistook you for the other poster ProSense Oct 2013 #134
And also ....... oldhippie Oct 2013 #128
Right, but the differences are hashed out in conference. n/t ProSense Oct 2013 #135
No, wrong. They are not ...... oldhippie Oct 2013 #137
Good grief ProSense Oct 2013 #138
It depends on what the definition of "ARE" is ....... oldhippie Oct 2013 #140
If the House and Senate don't pass the same bill it doesn't become law. onenote Oct 2013 #131
"You are correct that when the two houses pass different versions of the same bill..." ProSense Oct 2013 #136
"What do you think should happen..." oldhippie Oct 2013 #139
what do I think should happen? onenote Oct 2013 #143
If Republicans are actively destroying the already damaged U.S. economy Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #6
When you advocate having the constitutional process subverted by force of arms Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #10
Isn't that what the Republicans are doing? Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #13
I must have missed the arms then. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #14
Well, they are subverting the constituational process Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #17
After that stretch, I'm ready to go work out. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #21
Have a good workout. Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #23
Except they aren't subverting the process Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #24
I'm sorry, but shutting down the government because they don't like Obamacare Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #25
So accept votes for stop-gap bills. VIOLA! You aren't holding out for politics, are you? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #30
Me thinks your true colors are starting to show. Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #31
What part of what I worte was untrue and how was it untrue? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #33
First of all, not raising the debt ceiling WILL CAUSE US TO DEFAULT Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #40
See my example in post 41 Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #44
Why not endorse that? Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #49
"Because it sets a bad precedent" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #51
Not a hypocrite Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #54
Nobody has a gun to your head. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #65
A metaphorical gun Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #74
"that dissent has to be within the proper framework." Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #82
I don't give a fuck what happened decades ago Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #95
No, you only care about now because you practice totalitarian political thuggery. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #100
Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #105
You're running around here throwing f-bombs left, right and center Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #112
no it won't Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #67
Okay then, fine Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #72
not progressive. Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #73
Fuck balanced budgets Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #75
I was referring to Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #78
It's the Republicans, and ONLY THE REPUBLICANS Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #92
We shouldn't give in. onenote Oct 2013 #103
So what about being in violation of the 14th amendment? Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #106
Oh and, my idea may not sound progressive (not that I really give a shit) Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #77
"my idea may not sound progressive " Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #84
I'm not the one ruining the United States of America so people can't get Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #91
You want to destroy everything about America: free speech, right to dissent, political process Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #102
So by restoring the government and constitutional law Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #109
None of your complaints have any bearing on the Constitution. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #113
How does endimg the government shutdown by executive fiat onenote Oct 2013 #115
Oh and on a final note Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #79
fair to the Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #81
Sorry about the poor Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #90
If you deny them services do they get to keep their revenue? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #85
Sure. Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #89
what makes you think arms are required? demwing Oct 2013 #110
They aren't having anyone arrested by armed personnel Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #19
No, they're just letting them starve and killing their futures Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #22
Crime by abstraction doesn't count Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #26
No, that's a really stupid comparison. n/t Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #27
It's pretty much what the "It's TREASON!" crowd is arguing. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #32
The 14th amendment: Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #36
Insurrection requires armed force. You're the only advocating that. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #41
We're not talking about your new Xbox One here, sonnyboy Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #46
I swear I can see spittle flecks on your monitor. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #50
That's your own monitor you're looking at, not mine Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #52
So you would subvert the Constitution. onenote Oct 2013 #61
Given that the Consittution is already subverted Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #71
Ermagerd alcibiades_mystery Oct 2013 #7
It's not the first time. In fact, I've always thought we agreed far more than we disagreed. onenote Oct 2013 #62
You ask what the penalty should be, censure for refusing to allow the house to vote. /nt lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #9
"Bad! Bad Republicans!" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #11
LOL. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #18
2014 lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #58
Exactly. GOTV 2014 Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #120
I think you mean "censure" onenote Oct 2013 #88
Thank-you lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #104
How well did the Aliens and Sedition Acts work out for Adams? Abq_Sarah Oct 2013 #15
Even if they fold and raise that debt limit, the government will remain shut down. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #20
is your name Johnny? Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #28
:drumroll: Rex Oct 2013 #39
Pretty simple, actually ..... oldhippie Oct 2013 #29
And the war will be over by Christmas! Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #34
Who wins? nt oldhippie Oct 2013 #43
Syria Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #45
How's that? Its' fabulous onenote Oct 2013 #101
I though that was pretty good .... oldhippie Oct 2013 #107
You don't get to jail your political enemies because they do stupid things. Arkana Oct 2013 #35
I'm not going to shut someone down for saying it. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #37
Since when did we start living by minority rule in Congress? Rex Oct 2013 #38
Minority rule became the law inside the US House of Reps, truedelphi Oct 2013 #87
There has always been an element of minority rule. onenote Oct 2013 #99
So your argument is going to be right no matter what anyone says. Rex Oct 2013 #116
Cut It Out! BKH70041 Oct 2013 #42
^^ Best Comment Yet! ^^ nt oldhippie Oct 2013 #47
Relax, BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #48
You are using logic Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #53
Defaulting and shutdowns shouldn't be an option for ANY party ecstatic Oct 2013 #56
Then the Constitution should be amended to change how the government is funded onenote Oct 2013 #94
NDAA has a provision for dealing with enemy combatants ... GeorgeGist Oct 2013 #117
Are you suggesting the president declare the GOP as enemy combatants Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #123
Hey, it's not dictatorship if YOU support him! dairydog91 Oct 2013 #130
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