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In reply to the discussion: Question for those callling the shutdown an act of sedition [View all]Where in the world did you come up with the idea the House should get its way?
I like most of your posts and consider myself a fan of your intelligent and thorough rebuttals of attacks on the administration (both from outside DU and inside DU).
But you've jumped the shark on this. I made it quite clear I don't agree with the repubs decision to insert a poison pill in the CR they sent the House and that the stalemate started with them. But this thread was about those who think that not passing a CR that the Senate and WH concur in is an act of criminal behavior by the House. Its not. Its bad policy. Its bad politics. Its bad bad bad. And the President (as I also have indicated) is right to hold the line.
I like most of your posts and consider myself a fan of your intelligent and thorough rebuttals of attacks on the administration (both from outside DU and inside DU).
But you've jumped the shark on this. I made it quite clear I don't agree with the repubs decision to insert a poison pill in the CR they sent the House and that the stalemate started with them. But this thread was about those who think that not passing a CR that the Senate and WH concur in is an act of criminal behavior by the House. Its not. Its bad policy. Its bad politics. Its bad bad bad. And the President (as I also have indicated) is right to hold the line.
...I haven't. I stated here (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023807960#post59) that I didn't think their actions were illegal, simply immoral.
You then went on to claim that "The Senate did not pass a bill that had been passed by the House."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023807960#post114
They in fact did. The bill is a compromise.
Senate Passes 'Clean' CR to Avoid Shutdown, Punts to House
Finally, Friday afternoon, the body, in a vote of 54 to 44, passed its version of a CR to avoid a government shutdown on October 1. The Senate-passed version amended a previously passed version from the House of Representatives.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2013/09/27/senate-passes-clean-cr-to-avoid-shutdown-punts-to-house/
http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2013/09/27/senate-passes-clean-cr-to-avoid-shutdown-punts-to-house/
Roll call: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00209
Tweet: Harry Reid calls out Republicans for not voting on compromise CR
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023809676
Harry Reid Compromised On Shutdown Negotiation, House Republican Acknowledges
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/harry-reid-shutdown_n_4050400.html
So much for the BS false equivalency. Even Republicans and Fox know that the Democrats have compromised.
Republicans are not playing by the rules, they're abusing their power
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023808698
McCain: We Should Be 'Embarrassed' About Shutdown, GOP Pushed 'False Premise' on Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023809709
Bottomline: The House is refusing to accept the Senate's compromise on the House bill.
The Senate passed the House bill, amending it to strip out the ACA provision, which has nothing to do with the keeping the government open.
It's the House bill. Its their bill. It's Republican crafted legislation.
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Actually, conspiring to have the country go into default by not allowing a vote might be a violation
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#3
As contemptable as Republicans are, they are using the rules to hold the government hostage.
randome
Oct 2013
#5
Actually allowing the country to default is a violation of the 14th amendment, and I will guarantee
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#8
actually if you don't raise the debt limit for money spent, it means you are in default on your debt
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#55
The money is already spent. Raising the debt limit is a formality, but a necessary one
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#64
The shutdown is the budget, not the debt ceiling. It is a different issue
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#68
What? Where do you guys get this stuff? The debt is the cumulative deficits of all budgets.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#69
The offical postion of the Exectuive Branch (Obama) is that they do not authority under the 14th
Agnosticsherbet
Oct 2013
#16
Where in the world did you come up with the idea I think the House should get its way?
onenote
Oct 2013
#122
You keep saying that the Senate passed a bill that had been passed by the House. That's not true.
onenote
Oct 2013
#125
"You are correct that when the two houses pass different versions of the same bill..."
ProSense
Oct 2013
#136
When you advocate having the constitutional process subverted by force of arms
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#10
I'm sorry, but shutting down the government because they don't like Obamacare
Downtown Hound
Oct 2013
#25
So accept votes for stop-gap bills. VIOLA! You aren't holding out for politics, are you?
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#30
No, you only care about now because you practice totalitarian political thuggery.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#100
Oh and, my idea may not sound progressive (not that I really give a shit)
Downtown Hound
Oct 2013
#77
I'm not the one ruining the United States of America so people can't get
Downtown Hound
Oct 2013
#91
You want to destroy everything about America: free speech, right to dissent, political process
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#102
It's not the first time. In fact, I've always thought we agreed far more than we disagreed.
onenote
Oct 2013
#62
You ask what the penalty should be, censure for refusing to allow the house to vote. /nt
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#9
Even if they fold and raise that debt limit, the government will remain shut down.
Agnosticsherbet
Oct 2013
#20