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Bunnahabhain

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11. That is not true at all

Wed Oct 9, 2013, 07:48 PM

Oct 2013

It was HMOs that forced the "small area studies" and "best practices" back in the 70s and 80s. They have put real value into saving millions of lives.

I hate when people want to toss the baby out with the bath water. The current US system is fucked beyond belief but the truth is the truth: health insurance companies have improved healthcare by demanding improved practices.

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My idea of health insurance: [View all] kentuck Oct 2013 OP

My idea of health insurance: fuck health insurance gopiscrap Oct 2013 #1

If no company should ever make a profit from healthcare Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #16

The government funds most R & D, now, not private industry. Fawke Em Oct 2013 #21

Remember this post Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #25

Nationalize it, like they do in Europe gopiscrap Oct 2013 #56

So, doctors, nurses etc are going to be all volunteers?? feathateathn Oct 2013 #24

In Britain OwnedByCats Oct 2013 #57

+1000. Geez don't people realize Medicare OOP is still expensive and you need a medigap policy too? dkf Oct 2013 #27

We have Medicare, Worried senior Oct 2013 #42

So Bill Gates pays $103 and the dishwasher at TGI Fridya's pays $103? Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #2

Your premium is your tax. kentuck Oct 2013 #5

I think single payer is bad Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #6

Do you think Bill Gates should get the same quality of care as the dishwasher? kentuck Oct 2013 #7

One has nothing to do with the other Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #10

We disagree. kentuck Oct 2013 #14

Is there anything else you don't support progressive taxes for? DireStrike Oct 2013 #38

Lived in Britain for 10 years OwnedByCats Oct 2013 #58

Give me Canadian-style single payor. roamer65 Oct 2013 #3

That's not really true Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #4

Sanity!!! Thank you. dkf Oct 2013 #28

Young people do not go to the doctor the same as old people. former9thward Oct 2013 #8

Do you have proof for that? enlightenment Oct 2013 #32

I have the same proof the OP has when it said young people go to the dr the same as old. former9thward Oct 2013 #54

Kill health insurance companies. Lex Oct 2013 #9

That is not true at all Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #11

We need single-payer and for the health insurance companies Lex Oct 2013 #13

You are just plain wrong Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #15

Insurance companies do ONE THING CANDO Oct 2013 #17

They do manage for profit Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #18

I and we are not saying they don't do it well. CANDO Oct 2013 #19

Saying they are unnecessary Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #22

I think it's just easier politically to get a system like that set up than a single-payer one DireStrike Oct 2013 #39

No one wanted to hear anything other than their own narrative Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #48

Well I still expect to come up with some objection to the system DireStrike Oct 2013 #52

Heard the horror stories OwnedByCats Oct 2013 #59

I don't know the intricate details of other national plans. CANDO Oct 2013 #55

The governments of those countries dictate what cost and coverage are n/t eridani Oct 2013 #60

No. They make profit Lex Oct 2013 #20

Then why are hospitals full of sick people getting things done insurance is paying for? Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #23

Look at countries with single-payer. People get MORE health care for less money paid. Lex Oct 2013 #26

Not really. Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #29

Go to page 117 of this link Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #30

Germany's insurance companies are tightly monitored and regulated by their Government. Lex Oct 2013 #31

But they're insurance companies Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #47

You are saying many things, but enlightenment Oct 2013 #33

I provided proof in a link above. Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #44

Sorry, but you didn't prove your point. enlightenment Oct 2013 #49

Straw man Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #50

Reading comprehension. enlightenment Oct 2013 #51

Yes, I have obviously demonstrated I lack reading comprehension in this thread. Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #53

You are certainly a persistent one, aren't you? SoCalDem Oct 2013 #41

What does this have to do with this conversation? Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #43

//// SoCalDem Oct 2013 #45

Stunning reply Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #46

There are people I know that will pay $13 under the ACA that have never had health insurance. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #12

I just selected my plan on our open enrollment. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #34

Single Payer. We do have a model ... Kaiser Permanente. libdem4life Oct 2013 #35

The Medicare payment is for Part B only. Doesn't cover Part A or Part D. FarCenter Oct 2013 #36

You wouldn't want Medicare Sgent Oct 2013 #37

What's wrong with progressive taxation? DireStrike Oct 2013 #40