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207. Discrimination is so diffuse that it's almost impossible to identify...

Wed Oct 9, 2013, 09:15 PM

Oct 2013

Because it doesn't even gain an identity until it has been perpetuated dozens or hundres of times and, by then, who do we hold responsible? Is there any single person responsible?

Consider that a single act of discrimination is like a mechanical watch. And each piece is laid in place by a different person at a given time. We could consider the body of individuals responsible for the discrimination as discriminators. But they are individually not single great perpetuators. And that is why it is so difficult to see and prevent misogyny.

We must also consider the fact that in ubiquity comes secrecy. In other words, discrimination is so omnipresent that nobody even notices that it exists. It's so fundamental to our way of life that it need not be identified in order for it to continue to exist.

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Are men really all that necessary in the future? [View all] Emelina Oct 2013 OP

what an idiotic question. cali Oct 2013 #1

Absolutely agree get the red out Oct 2013 #129

Odd premise DireStrike Oct 2013 #2

Oh boy... davidn3600 Oct 2013 #3

Here, try mine. I brought one with chocolate bits mixed in. JHB Oct 2013 #23

Are humans really all that necessary in the future? Fumesucker Oct 2013 #4

Machines will be asking themselves that question in about 50 years. davidn3600 Oct 2013 #7

Optimist n/t Fumesucker Oct 2013 #16

necessary for what? Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #24

If you can remember going to a Dead concert Fumesucker Oct 2013 #45

Thanks Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #142

you were right d_r Oct 2013 #84

totally. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #139

Oh brother. mahina Oct 2013 #5

I'VE HAD IT WITH MEN Skittles Oct 2013 #6

We love you, too, Skittles pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #8

+1 Fumesucker Oct 2013 #13

Oooo, that was sneaky. Lasher Oct 2013 #9

thanks Skittles ! steve2470 Oct 2013 #44

By far, the very best post of this uncertain thread! nt MADem Oct 2013 #53

haha! Sissyk Oct 2013 #117

Oh, for heaven's sake! KitSileya Oct 2013 #10

trash thread scheming daemons Oct 2013 #11

Yes. LadyHawkAZ Oct 2013 #12

Not every ridiculous premise needs to be posted on DU pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #14

so far not one person has accepted this as a premise worthy of discussion cali Oct 2013 #15

G'morning, cali pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #31

You could read this.... Emelina Oct 2013 #52

and you could not post bullshit, but I'm not holding my breath, em. cali Oct 2013 #64

Are you 12? snooper2 Oct 2013 #138

Unless you, for some strange reason, view marriage as the sole LadyHawkAZ Oct 2013 #174

Isn't that the truth Jim Warren Oct 2013 #164

A lot of things aren't necessary, but we don't want to lose them because LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #17

"necessary" is an interesting word. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #21

Not really. I guess you could say that food and water are necessary for survival, LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #27

I agree. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #30

Yes, it is offensive. Who is anybody else to question my existence? LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #37

WOW, BillyRibs Oct 2013 #18

if you want to make the point that frozen sperm and gay marriage are going to eliminate men, Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #19

Well, there is this: Emelina Oct 2013 #51

"if you want to make the point that frozen sperm and gay marriage are going to eliminate men" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #107

Suggests three things, actually pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #111

I cannot subscribe to any philosophy that doesn't inherently value everyone Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #114

I'm giving the OP exactly the amount of serious thoughtful consideration Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #136

+1 n/t Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #171

+2 nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #188

Technically, we don't need sperm either. Laffy Kat Oct 2013 #202

Firstly I suggest you post this off DU intaglio Oct 2013 #20

No thank you, we don't want this trash in the feminist forums. n/t KitSileya Oct 2013 #25

Why would the feminist forums want it? Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #28

uh, there's a suckass idea. this shit doesn't belong anyfuckingwhere on du. cali Oct 2013 #29

Sorry folks, edited n/t intaglio Oct 2013 #33

You've got to be joking right? pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #22

Are women? leeroysphitz Oct 2013 #26

women are nice in the winter Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #40

or the man you love BainsBane Oct 2013 #167

"We don't need the men, we don't need the men. . ." DinahMoeHum Oct 2013 #32

No. However.... Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #34

"In all universe, there is no food as well-marbled as the American human!" -Kang Fumesucker Oct 2013 #36

Oh, Hell yea. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #137

+1 Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #177

Yes and give thanks malaise Oct 2013 #35

are low count hit and run posters really welcome on du, em? cali Oct 2013 #38

Lying low after making a flamebait post is a 'tell' pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #48

Then you missed the replies Emelina Oct 2013 #67

You're citing a first-person article--one person's opinion pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #72

Everything goes in circles... fitman Oct 2013 #130

Oh good. Extreme divide and conquer. It's what's for breakfast. HughBeaumont Oct 2013 #39

Necessary? Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? bluesbassman Oct 2013 #41

*** Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #180

Well, there will never be a time when I don't need a man. juajen Oct 2013 #42

I think that if I wrote a post asking if women were necessary demwing Oct 2013 #43

you mean like this poster is for suggesting men aren't necessary? cali Oct 2013 #46

Yep, just like the OP is demwing Oct 2013 #47

because your post is bullshit. YOU are doing the disingenuous whine cali Oct 2013 #62

I think you may have misread the poster pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #65

Im not too concerned about demwing Oct 2013 #73

It was accepted by three jurors. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #82

The Jury system wins again! DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #124

Who is going to kill the spiders when they get in the house? hack89 Oct 2013 #49

:) pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #58

You may be able to bank sperm, but where you going to get it to bank? liberal N proud Oct 2013 #50

Only takes one man screened for desirable traits. Emelina Oct 2013 #55

And when he runs dry? liberal N proud Oct 2013 #56

Yep let's have all babies come from a handfull of men fitman Oct 2013 #133

What about the women? HappyMe Oct 2013 #156

And dozens of those kids were male. arcane1 Oct 2013 #211

I hate it when my cat - Hell Hath No Fury Oct 2013 #54

S/he's baaaaack pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #59

So you're saying not being straight is a choice... ileus Oct 2013 #57

Women are only with men for money and protection, don't you know? LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #60

Yet if you open up more options... Emelina Oct 2013 #69

Group marriage will never be popular..just a fringe group fitman Oct 2013 #134

cars and money Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #92

Damn, Emelina! I think you're getting unfairly excoriated here. randome Oct 2013 #61

After all, men are only good for making babies. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #63

I don't think anyone is saying that except to dip into reducto ad absurdum. randome Oct 2013 #66

Are you necessary? I mean, if you're going to discuss whether other people LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #74

Of course I'm not 'necessary'. randome Oct 2013 #80

Leave it to you to speak up for the Cro-magnons, lol pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #81

The video sounded like a time-sharing sales job. I didn't listen to much of it. randome Oct 2013 #83

Worth pondering? pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #91

Not trying to pick an argument but I don't see the homophobic bit. randome Oct 2013 #110

No, you and I aren't arguing here pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #115

I think there is a subtle truth to that, though. randome Oct 2013 #120

The homophobic tenor of the OP is pretty glaring. sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #166

Oh, sabrina1... randome Oct 2013 #183

If they merged the resulting beings treestar Oct 2013 #135

Thank you and here is an article from the Atlantic that points the same direction. Emelina Oct 2013 #68

Interesting article. Thanks for the link. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #75

What happens with the little male babies born? BainsBane Oct 2013 #102

Like pit bulls. randome Oct 2013 #197

I cant believe I wasted 3 minutes reading this post and thread N/T titaniumsalute Oct 2013 #70

This is ridiculous, remove this post please, it doesn't belong on DU. You know, LiberalLoner Oct 2013 #71

+1 pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #95

They'll put us on sprem farms, and keep us as pets or to carry heavy stuff and kill spiders. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #76

You forgot taking out the garbage maddezmom Oct 2013 #86

I wouldn't mind working on a farm. randome Oct 2013 #119

What an interesting farm that would be. Dr. Strange Oct 2013 #152

I was searching for that same clip....nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #163

What the hell is "sprem?" Is that where SPAM comes from? nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #161

Men can't even spell JoePhilly Oct 2013 #182

Off with their heads! randome Oct 2013 #193

Can't count, either, past 11. 21 with their shoes off. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #220

. reflection Oct 2013 #77

Here is the real question.. xoom Oct 2013 #78

Nope. LWolf Oct 2013 #88

Anyone who has experienced a workplace department dominated by women Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #89

That's offensive BainsBane Oct 2013 #100

The NYT wrote about this as well... boston bean Oct 2013 #79

Yes, NYT article says the same thing. Emelina Oct 2013 #225

Idiotic post maddezmom Oct 2013 #85

There will always be spiders in bathtubs. Circuit-breakers tripping. Toilets to be plunged. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #87

I'm going back to sleep. redwitch Oct 2013 #90

Vote out all Republicans gulliver Oct 2013 #93

Who is going to donate to the sperm banks? LWolf Oct 2013 #94

Have you been reading Y: the last man? nt Javaman Oct 2013 #96

"I am the queen bee. You are the worker bee. Your job is to feed me, do me, and die." Buns_of_Fire Oct 2013 #97

The sperm in the bank has to come from someone male treestar Oct 2013 #98

Scientists Create Lab-Grown Sperm randome Oct 2013 #108

Still looks to be that man's biological child treestar Oct 2013 #113

Neither am I but I think it's an interesting question. randome Oct 2013 #118

Yes, males are necessary BainsBane Oct 2013 #99

It's easy enough to ensure only females are born. randome Oct 2013 #106

In the techno-universe envisioned, it would be treestar Oct 2013 #131

Grow your own forbidden men and sell them on the black market! randome Oct 2013 #132

Man, and I thought a pot grow operation would be hard to hide! Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #175

That evokes some disturbing imagery right there. randome Oct 2013 #194

I'm on a fucking Farmer Vincent ROLL, I am. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #195

Goddamn you! randome Oct 2013 #198

Baby Back Ribs snooper2 Oct 2013 #143

*trashing trolling thread* demmiblue Oct 2013 #101

I don't know if men will be "necessary", but I sure do like them a lot and enjoy having them around! meti57b Oct 2013 #103

Ah, well, I think I'll take a pass on this thread. MineralMan Oct 2013 #104

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!! Lint Head Oct 2013 #105

Paging MIRT. Come in, MIRT. Do you copy? nt Zorra Oct 2013 #109

I just hope their PPR message Union Scribe Oct 2013 #178

Wow- you should really delete this Marrah_G Oct 2013 #112

Seriously?... TeeYiYi Oct 2013 #116

That's HOT! n/t Sissyk Oct 2013 #123

hey where can I get one of those? Skittles Oct 2013 #227

wow, it just occured to me that the op Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #121

I can't say what I think. It will get deleted for calling you names. Sissyk Oct 2013 #122

From a natural selection/evolution standpoint, I would say so. Natural conception would have Erose999 Oct 2013 #125

Plus, it will always be cheaper (and easier!(and more fun!)) to reproduce the old-fashioned way. arcane1 Oct 2013 #214

Sounds like the science fiction dystopian fantasy, MineralMan Oct 2013 #126

Are you necessary? Am I? That sounds like a rather spurious question. Dash87 Oct 2013 #127

My wife makes more than me and is way smarter fitman Oct 2013 #128

Sounds like your Tired... tired of men... tired of... stevenleser Oct 2013 #140

LOL! Great to see this again! nt. polly7 Oct 2013 #145

Madeline Kahn was a national treasure! nt stevenleser Oct 2013 #148

ha ha, LOVE Madeline Kahn. Thanks. bettyellen Oct 2013 #216

Nope. So go ahead and get along without us. SomethingFishy Oct 2013 #141

Trashing idiotic thread. Iggo Oct 2013 #144

Two million years of evolution would argue otherwise. nt rrneck Oct 2013 #146

I think you have disrupted, poorly. nt stevenleser Oct 2013 #147

I just love ridiculous, funny stuff with my coffee in the a.m. HappyMe Oct 2013 #149

What's your basis for "Women's economic power is exceeding men"? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #150

The latest data is women are becoming the breadwinners in the family fitman Oct 2013 #151

Link for earning more? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #153

Just added a link fitman Oct 2013 #154

OK; 40% is not 'most' muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #155

This is angst that women have access to any economic resources BainsBane Oct 2013 #158

I have never met a single guy who fitman Oct 2013 #165

There are men who complain that women have encroached on men's earning power BainsBane Oct 2013 #169

Where did I use the word most? fitman Oct 2013 #172

I was replying to this comment: fitman Oct 2013 #173

Oh, so you didn't actually mean women as a group earn more BainsBane Oct 2013 #181

I think people are referring to the trend davidn3600 Oct 2013 #184

I love how you think the gender of the vast majority of CEOs, board members and politicians doesn't bettyellen Oct 2013 #191

You are mixing generations davidn3600 Oct 2013 #203

No, there are plenty of suitable female candidates out there, but there's still a hard glass ceiling bettyellen Oct 2013 #206

Discrimination is so diffuse that it's almost impossible to identify... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #207

False. There is no trend that women are being paid more than men. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #208

I posted a link fitman Oct 2013 #209

So you link to a page showing that women overall still make 9% less. And that proves what? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #212

You are not getting it.. fitman Oct 2013 #213

Isn't it amazing, men do 33% better better and they think that stat means women are beating them.... bettyellen Oct 2013 #215

which shows men earn more BainsBane Oct 2013 #157

Better than what it was...Yes more women are increasingly becoming the breadwinners fitman Oct 2013 #159

No - Artificial parthenogenisis can be used to reproduce females. FarCenter Oct 2013 #160

I never believed that women and men paired up merely to LittleBlue Oct 2013 #162

IMO those are hormonal vestiges of a biological reward circuit. tillikum Oct 2013 #176

Goodness. I certainly hope so. No men, no drag queens. sibelian Oct 2013 #168

WTF is this bullshit? budkin Oct 2013 #170

Men are not necessary now. ZombieHorde Oct 2013 #179

+1 nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #186

trashing thread. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #185

This is a really bad OP. Whisp Oct 2013 #187

You're just not looking at it the right way. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #223

With out Men the balance of the world would be lost. Walter-White Oct 2013 #189

What if men end up destroying the planet? randome Oct 2013 #192

Alway nice to hear from the manhaters. 99Forever Oct 2013 #190

What have you got against Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #196

And all male children will be killed? kentuck Oct 2013 #199

maybe some kind of genetic selection for sex. nt Deep13 Oct 2013 #205

And while we're asking questions: Is the future really all that necessary? I mean, think about it: struggle4progress Oct 2013 #200

Then maybe we need this guy. randome Oct 2013 #201

Sometimes I wonder if I've ever been especially useful. Deep13 Oct 2013 #204

extremely sexist to a degree this site nor any should tolerate fascisthunter Oct 2013 #210

You can never reverse the role of oppressor and oppressed and call it the same. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #217

Men are not victims of systematic sexism. nt Deep13 Oct 2013 #218

I think you're gender-baiting. Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 #219

This isn't even worthy of discussion. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #221

As it stands, many infrastructure jobs are held by men, Proles Oct 2013 #222

I know for certain this one is: Whisp Oct 2013 #224

...but they're so yummy! They're neccessary for me! dorkzilla Oct 2013 #226