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AngryOldDem

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80. I read the letter that Rug posted again.

Thu Oct 10, 2013, 06:41 AM

Oct 2013

And while the headline to the Think Progress story may be a bit overblown, the subtext is clear.

The bishops know full well that what they are asking for will be part of a government shutdown as they want to make the ban on contraceptives in ACA part of the "must-pass" legislation.

My simple take from all of this: Unless Catholic businesses, as a rule, employ only Catholic workers, then they have to follow the law like everyone else. They also must realize that there are many other reasons for taking contraceptives other than the obvious one.

But ANY reading of this letter shows that there is a disregard on the part of the bishops of the consequences of what they're asking. Sin or omission or commission? It's been awhile since my catechism.

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Catholic Bishops wrote letter to GOP calling for shutdown over contraceptives [View all] Bjorn Against Oct 2013 OP

When do they lose their tax exemption? arthritisR_US Oct 2013 #1

sounds like an item worth shutting the govt down over. nt Ilsa Oct 2013 #3

Tax them 80 %...... russspeakeasy Oct 2013 #2

jeez...how sick is that? stillcool Oct 2013 #4

Does this surprise you? MattBaggins Oct 2013 #13

it does...I am used to... stillcool Oct 2013 #22

If they're going to fuck as all, they least they can do is use protection. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #5

This is the kind of crap that makes so many of us despise this church Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #6

+infinity sammytko Oct 2013 #8

Don't forget the Crusades. rug Oct 2013 #9

There is plenty of modern-day crap this bunch of medieval creeps is pulling Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #11

Read the letter they sent. rug Oct 2013 #12

I will never stand for being smeared as a "bigot" for calling out this vile institution. Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #26

That's an overwrought headline. They didn't call for a shutdown. rug Oct 2013 #7

They specifically called for it to be tied to "must pass" legislation Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #14

Which is not the same as calling for a shutdown. rug Oct 2013 #15

When the GOP attached The Obamacare delay to must pass legislation it triggered the shut down Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #17

The GOP wants the ACA stopped. Period. rug Oct 2013 #18

They asked to tie their "conscience exemption" most the country opposes to must pass legislation Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #21

Yes they did and that request will fail in the trash to join most of their other requests. rug Oct 2013 #23

Must pass legislation means the budget, it means the debt ceiling Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #24

It didn't say a word about the debt ceiling, any more than it said a word about the shutdown. rug Oct 2013 #25

Again it said MUST PASS legislation, that means either budget, debt ceiling or both Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #28

Words do matter. And those words were not used. rug Oct 2013 #29

Yes they were used, look at the very first link you provided me Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #30

And? Here's your headline: "Catholic Bishops wrote letter to GOP calling for shutdown" rug Oct 2013 #34

So I suppose you are going to tell me the GOP Congress members are not calling for shutdown either Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #39

Accuracy matters, too. randome Oct 2013 #31

Yes accuracy does matter and Rug's own link shows that he is wrong Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #33

Your own headline shows that you are wrong. rug Oct 2013 #35

No it does not, we are in this shutdown because of policy tied to the continued resolution Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #37

"Catholic Bishops wrote letter to GOP calling for shutdown". That's the headline you wrote. rug Oct 2013 #38

Do you think the teabaggers pushing a dirty CR support a shutdown? Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #40

Say what you want about the RCC, it is far from the Tea Party. rug Oct 2013 #41

They reached out to the Tea Party to push a dirty resolution Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #42

So, are you moving back from shutdown? rug Oct 2013 #43

Hell no I'm not moving back, supporting a dirty CR is supporting the shut down Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #44

For one thing, they were seeking a specific exemption. rug Oct 2013 #45

Maybe the Republicans would take it, it does not change the fact that the bishops pushed a dirty CR Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #46

Then you'd be better off using their actual words, not yours. rug Oct 2013 #47

Sorry, I am not obligated to spin things the way they want me to spin them Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #48

I guess you're not obligated to write accurate headlines either. rug Oct 2013 #50

As I said it is my opinion, this is a discussion site opinions are welcome here Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #51

Well, I'm glad we've established that you headline is, in the end, simply your opinion. rug Oct 2013 #53

It is an opinion based on concrete facts. Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #54

There's definitely concrete involed. rug Oct 2013 #59

Did they or did they not ask for contraceptives to be tied to the debt ceiling? Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #64

No, Rug's link shows that he is correct. Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2013 #69

The letter clearly stated that they wanted contraceptives tied to the CR and debt ceiling Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #73

Yes, the letter said that Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2013 #74

The letter of the 26th talks about the debt ceiling in the same sentence muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #32

While you review #34, I'll ask you when you found the Gospels a good source for political science. rug Oct 2013 #36

Oh dear, rug, your defence of the RC bishops and the shutdown isn't looking good on DU, is it? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #60

Oh, the subthread in which the OP stated the headline is his opinion, not fact? rug Oct 2013 #65

I stated it was an opinion based on concrete fact, I NEVER claimed it was not based on fact. Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #67

No, it is an opinion based on a single phrase, "must pass legislation" Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2013 #81

Well they ARE ACTIVELY LOBBYING and thus forfeit tax exempt status elehhhhna Oct 2013 #57

The OP makes the false claim that the USCCB called for the shutdown. rug Oct 2013 #58

Thanks for pointing it out MFrohike Oct 2013 #19

Well, it's a damn accurate paraphrase. rug Oct 2013 #20

How about this for a headline, these Bishops want to tie their silly superstitions... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #61

How about this? Poster sees political crisis as a religious crisis. rug Oct 2013 #66

Or how about this? Thinkprogress writer lies about letter from Catholic bishops. Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2013 #70

Maybe not. AngryOldDem Oct 2013 #63

That group is allowed wayyyyyyy too much power MattBaggins Oct 2013 #10

But don't forget- Mark Meadows (R-NC) is the Architect of the current shutdown plan Tx4obama Oct 2013 #16

Is it sedition yet?? kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #27

American bishops still going their own way. Peregrine Took Oct 2013 #49

What would Pope Francis say? Sanity Claws Oct 2013 #52

What is needed is for the Federal government to revoke the tax-exempt status for the entire freakin' indepat Oct 2013 #55

Given that the Catholic Church is NOT "formeting rebellion" against the United States Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2013 #71

So urging a governmental shutdown is aok if what you want can't be extorted? indepat Oct 2013 #75

Except that they are NOT "urging a government shutdown" Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2013 #79

Thanks for clarifying this issue indepat Oct 2013 #83

Then they might as well shut down Catholic churches as well Zambero Oct 2013 #56

So they're allowed to shut down the Federal Government... Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #62

These Bishops need to go read that interveiw by the Pope kydo Oct 2013 #68

Maybe they don't think he's serious. bklyncowgirl Oct 2013 #72

Tax 'em! nt City Lights Oct 2013 #76

My friend is a pharamacist who is Catholic fitman Oct 2013 #77

Blowback...incessent demands for shutting government by every fringe idea under the sun. libdem4life Oct 2013 #78

I read the letter that Rug posted again. AngryOldDem Oct 2013 #80

Who the hell do they think they are?! fucking nose outta Cha Oct 2013 #82

Why would anybody give a flying rat's ass what these shitstains have to say? MindPilot Oct 2013 #84