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Drew Richards

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223. Boo f@%# ho whoa is me i have to pay $238 a month for insurance...

Thu Oct 10, 2013, 11:36 PM

Oct 2013

You know what i find funny? Since you wont tell us the full truth i went and plugged in 1 adult non smoker 30 years old 60k_70a year in state of wv...

You know what i got back? A bronze plan for $175 or a silver plan for 177 a month better plan than yours too...so basically you are bitching because your CURRENT premium plan is going up because of ACA trying to ensure more people. Boo freeking hoo even 246 a month for your plan is pretty damn good...but even with no subsidy the ACA plans...according to the hff.org calculator are $70 less a month than your new plan...they nearly match the cost of you old plan...

So...i call bullshit nice attempt at obscuring the truth with half truths and disinformation....

Wanna proven me wrong?

WE would all love to see it...gives us the details required to run the calculation ourselves....

How old 30 ok
2014 yearly salary ____
What state and zip_______
1 adult
No children
No company plan..
Non smoker right? Or that jacks premium up 50%....

But i fear you wont bother....oh by the way mr 30 year old poor exploited human....according to the calculator you would have to be making between 60- $70000 a year to put you in the same $2500 silver bracket and premium that you new insurance will cost....and i submit..at 30 years old and 60- $70000 a year salary...you can afford a piddly $70 dollar increase over your old policy...

This OP is bullshit crying over a $70 dollar increase? Cry me a fuckin river.

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Here's my ACA rate INCREASE for those who doubt... [View all] ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 OP

It looks like an upgraded policy. Sparkly Oct 2013 #1

I _can't_ keep the same plan. ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #3

Who is the "they" that is forcing you? notadmblnd Oct 2013 #19

Companies that are complying with the law as written Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #190

but it is my understanding that if your premiums are more than something like 10% of what you make notadmblnd Oct 2013 #199

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #209

Yes it is. It's entirely ACA Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #225

It looks like your current company is trying to take you for a ride. Incitatus Oct 2013 #24

Yes it is B2G Oct 2013 #32

Yes, they do because before, a plan with maternity coverage would cost... Barack_America Oct 2013 #34

Ok, so his plan does have to be upgraded. Incitatus Oct 2013 #60

There's no indication this plan is through an exchange. Barack_America Oct 2013 #64

It doesn't matter B2G Oct 2013 #75

I appreciate your assistance in this thread... nt ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #126

I completely understand B2G Oct 2013 #250

We all know the ACA is not perfect . . . brush Oct 2013 #157

Yes, it's part of the new law. Other co's on the exchange are just as ridiculously priced. n/t ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #55

Insurance companies are getting rid of their shitty catastrophic plans JaneyVee Oct 2013 #193

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #301

The ACA does not prevent premiums going up more than 10%. former9thward Oct 2013 #262

Right. Sparkly Oct 2013 #275

Is this insurance through an employer? B Calm Oct 2013 #2

It's an individual plan I've had for several years. n/t ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #5

Did you check the rates you would get on healthcare.gov? bunnies Oct 2013 #10

Bingo! regnaD kciN Oct 2013 #21

Thank you. I was going to edit to add in what you said about subsidies... bunnies Oct 2013 #33

Who do you tuink insures the Obamacare policies? B2G Oct 2013 #39

But only healthcare.gov offers subsidies. bunnies Oct 2013 #52

Bingo? LOL... Brother, this IS THE EXCHANGE PLAN... I've seen it, it's the SAME PLAN... n/t ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #56

It may be the same plan, but what people are saying is that if you actually acquire it via cui bono Oct 2013 #81

Most likely? B2G Oct 2013 #89

I have no idea, I'm just trying to clarify the point others are making with less cui bono Oct 2013 #98

his income level would help, too. mzteris Oct 2013 #289

400% of poverty level and below is 67% of the US population tabasco Oct 2013 #110

A single person making under $45,000 who's insurance is more than 9.5% of their salary VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #161

You've "seen" it. mzteris Oct 2013 #290

Wouldn't bet on that. The on and off exchange individual policies I'm hearing are the same. TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #188

PPACA is private indivual health insurance, not health care TransitJohn Oct 2013 #231

he probably can't Enrique Oct 2013 #42

He said in post #5 its not through his employer. bunnies Oct 2013 #44

oh ok i see Enrique Oct 2013 #76

If you get insurance from an employer tabasco Oct 2013 #114

So... Then you have not shopped for a better plan? Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #15

Sigh... I _did_ shop around, and this is on par with everything available... nt ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #57

Really... Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #66

Feel free, but I understand B2G Oct 2013 #77

The people who signed it into law... sendero Oct 2013 #241

Gawd. Just cancel that stinker and get a plan through the exchanges. Sheesh. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #113

The plans on the exchange are just as pricey, and this plan is already a part of the exchange... nt ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #129

Well, deal with it. There are no more crappy policies available. There never should have been, kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #145

You've given the first post that is exactly what I wanted to say..... llmart Oct 2013 #162

$25k?? Jeez, I wish, lol. The Great Recession has put me down considerably from that. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #171

Not to mention the caps on Maximum out of pocket... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #252

Explain to my why my current policy was crappy, hmm? It worked well when I needed in two years ago. ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #260

Listen..I hear you...me too cilla4progress Oct 2013 #313

Incoming! ... 1000words Oct 2013 #4

What does that mean? ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #8

Some will not enjoy hearing your story 1000words Oct 2013 #12

because blaming the ACA for the fact that his insurance co. is trying to screw him... bunnies Oct 2013 #47

Rates at all five providers on the exchange are nearly identical... nt ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #61

and subsidies? bunnies Oct 2013 #63

repeated refusal to address this question = he's full of baloney elehhhhna Oct 2013 #273

Except you have not bothered to go to healthcare,gov or your state site. DevonRex Oct 2013 #99

The aca was written for insurance companies. if it had been written correctly Doctor_J Oct 2013 #285

Im not getting helped by the ACA. bunnies Oct 2013 #286

If you show any hint of positivity toward Obama or what he's done... Drunken Irishman Oct 2013 #310

Funny, isnt it? bunnies Oct 2013 #312

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #303

Who is the "we" who is enrolling you? Beaverhausen Oct 2013 #6

50% Coinsurance, as in the OP's example, means you pay half Cal Carpenter Oct 2013 #115

Only "on top of the premiums", not the deductibles. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #144

That's true, I misspoke. So the patient pays 100% of the bills until the deductible is reached Cal Carpenter Oct 2013 #150

Hes not a family, he is an individual. nt stevenleser Oct 2013 #159

Okay, so for him it is $9200. Cal Carpenter Oct 2013 #179

Yes, but the idea with an HSA compatible plan like this one Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #194

So the money they don't have... PETRUS Oct 2013 #196

We know that the OP earns at least $46,000 per year Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #200

You mean $6350 according to the documents he posted. stevenleser Oct 2013 #215

The out-of-pocket is in addition to the premiums. Cal Carpenter Oct 2013 #247

so don't get the free diagnostic tests.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #255

but others got great rates..... bajamary Oct 2013 #7

The point is people are being called liars when they talk about rate increases here... ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #9

You're not getting a rate increase. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #29

Upgraded? Savannahmann Oct 2013 #41

Much more coverage. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #45

But you missed his point. Savannahmann Oct 2013 #70

Thank you. Some sanity in a sea of denial. nt B2G Oct 2013 #78

In single payer, you dont get to opt out of anything, you just get taxed. And the OP would get taxed stevenleser Oct 2013 #205

But in single-payer, it would not be a for-profit disease management model like it is today... ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #258

None of that has to do with what was being discussed, which is choice of what is covered and stevenleser Oct 2013 #259

Why is it "interesting" that I don't want to share my income details? I don't qualify for a subsidy. ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #261

oh hell yeah let's have a menu elehhhhna Oct 2013 #274

The posters point was that he had a menu of things to choose. Savannahmann Oct 2013 #283

He hasn't even looked up an ACA policy and is full of baloney elehhhhna Oct 2013 #292

So you are saying that the requirements of the ACA on insurance Savannahmann Oct 2013 #293

WHat part of "pool" is confusing? elehhhhna Oct 2013 #296

I would guess that the "upgraded" part of the new plans would be....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #49

His insurance company is not B2G Oct 2013 #43

It only "proves" that you don't know enough about the ACA� regnaD kciN Oct 2013 #31

Individual policy premiums for males in my state have risen because of ACA... ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #264

They are being called liars for blaming ACA for their insurance company's greed. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #118

Yes. cilla4progress Oct 2013 #314

You're getting more things covered. So, it should go up. Yavin4 Oct 2013 #11

Fortunately, he now has maternity coverage. dairydog91 Oct 2013 #16

Well it is a family plan, so obviously he has a wife and possibly children. notadmblnd Oct 2013 #25

It is not a family plan. It's an individual plan. n/t ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #53

Well you circled/highlighted the family numbers as if those were your prices notadmblnd Oct 2013 #62

I've been paying extra for coverage of obese people and their ills for my whole life and you don't kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #121

Gotta rec your post. llmart Oct 2013 #167

Most these assholes are RW trolls. They don't even try to be subtle. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #174

Yeah, I figured this was a "plant"..... llmart Oct 2013 #178

I do sense a serious "demotivating" effort by some. MADem Oct 2013 #306

Democrats DO value the social contract. RWers don't. You can always tell who is who by that. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #176

Getting angry at contributing to maternity care is silly. MADem Oct 2013 #304

He also has mental health coverage. moriah Oct 2013 #189

Yeah, and I gotta pay for school that other people's kids go to. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #191

An extra $75 a month in premiums, but also higher deductible and coinsurance. BlueCheese Oct 2013 #28

Sorry, but you have already used maternity coverage.nt Barack_America Oct 2013 #13

Where are you getting this print-out? regnaD kciN Oct 2013 #14

I did. They are all just as bad, as I said. n/t ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #18

So you admit that these photos are not from the ACA site, but from your insurance company. Th1onein Oct 2013 #36

Jesus back off B2G Oct 2013 #50

Oh, I "get it," alright. I just don't like people playing me for a fool. Neither should you. Th1onein Oct 2013 #59

Here's the deal skippy B2G Oct 2013 #67

Here's the quote directly from his subject line in the OP: Here's my ACA rate INCREASE for those wh Th1onein Oct 2013 #82

It is an ACA increase B2G Oct 2013 #84

Bullshit Caretha Oct 2013 #136

Actually, shes right. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #181

ACA requires it Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #197

I see. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #208

It will shock them Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #226

Nope. Th1onein Oct 2013 #238

For the last time I *DID* see the exchange plans... ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #246

You came on here posting photos of your private insurance carriers rates and tried to pass them off Th1onein Oct 2013 #256

What? What are you TALKING about? ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #263

No, these are Blue Cross rates that are for a Blue Cross plan that has the comparable coverage that Th1onein Oct 2013 #271

It *IS* a plan offered on our state's exchange! What is SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #272

You don't get it. I DO understand what you are trying to tell me. Th1onein Oct 2013 #284

Because we are Liberals not libertarians. MattBaggins Oct 2013 #299

Hey! Dont talk to Jesus that way. bunnies Oct 2013 #65

He never said the documents were from the government site. subterranean Oct 2013 #72

I'm going to be paying $1,300/month for coverage until the ACA kicks in after the first. WilliamPitt Oct 2013 #17

No shit n/t PasadenaTrudy Oct 2013 #38

Geezus. $1300 for the 3 of you? Thats just insane. nt bunnies Oct 2013 #40

Mine is 2,000. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #96

ouchhhhhh steve2470 Oct 2013 #102

Yes...my ACA premium is lower. 2k is what I am paying 'til it kicks in. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #142

Damn, that is brutal. Affordable? Really? dkf Oct 2013 #107

Um, my ACA premium is less than a third of that. How interesting you assumed an anti-ACA stance. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #141

Our family plan through work has been $1800 for three of us. Ms. Toad Oct 2013 #165

The last year I was self employed I spent 1200/month. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #154

Fuckin A! The Midway Rebel Oct 2013 #166

Right? WilliamPitt Oct 2013 #170

The full premium for Medicare part A & B is something like $1100/month this year Recursion Oct 2013 #236

I hear you. I pay $620/month for an individual plan. Sparkly Oct 2013 #248

What's your age, married, single, home state, and annual income B Calm Oct 2013 #20

The plan name is different gollygee Oct 2013 #22

People are 'not believing' you because you are mixing terms. grantcart Oct 2013 #23

Not sure your income but do you think that is a huge increase? 4bucksagallon Oct 2013 #26

Check the ACA. Wait Wut Oct 2013 #27

seems about right pacog Oct 2013 #30

welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #182

Individual policy? Get on the exchange and find Lars39 Oct 2013 #35

I did. They are all just as bad. Already did my homework before posting. nt ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #125

But you didn't post those results. Lars39 Oct 2013 #133

Look at all the increased coverage you're getting. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #37

I got a similar looking notice PasadenaTrudy Oct 2013 #46

When I had individual insurance, my rate would go up at least $100 a year ecstatic Oct 2013 #48

Have you tried going through the Exchange? Marrah_G Oct 2013 #51

You're right... Keefer Oct 2013 #130

I'm thinking that you don't understand how this works Marrah_G Oct 2013 #134

It is. BlueCheese Oct 2013 #175

Well, that does suck. subterranean Oct 2013 #54

I understand your point. Savannahmann Oct 2013 #58

You're getting hosed, and it's MANDATED. nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #68

oops. nevermind. spanone Oct 2013 #69

Maybe you should leave Blue Essentials. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #71

Im sorry to say this, but youre wrong. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #73

The insurance company put him into the new plan. subterranean Oct 2013 #79

Ahh i see. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #177

I give up B2G Oct 2013 #80

Lol! darkangel218 Oct 2013 #180

the pics you posted are not from the exhange scheming daemons Oct 2013 #74

ONE MORE TIME FOR THE SLOW KIDS... B2G Oct 2013 #83

Stop insulting people ProSense Oct 2013 #86

Whatever nt B2G Oct 2013 #87

Exactly! Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2013 #93

I suppose it's OK for posters to insult the OP B2G Oct 2013 #94

The OP is deliberately withholding several important pieces of information. That is being dishonest. stevenleser Oct 2013 #219

But his plan with his doctor is what he wanted. dkf Oct 2013 #111

Not quite. Keefer Oct 2013 #135

The sales job was deceptive. dkf Oct 2013 #138

Until he checks the prices out through the exchange the numbers don't mean anything. Marrah_G Oct 2013 #92

The OP claims he did check out the exchange but does not appear to want to show those numbers Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #97

If he makes less then 45000, as a sigle person, he will get a subsidy. Marrah_G Oct 2013 #104

Right. Why only half the facts? Half assed, it seems. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #120

People are getting really sick of your RW talking points. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #122

Some are getting sick of being called names for speaking truth. Skip Intro Oct 2013 #221

add me to that too. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #253

For the one REALLY slow kid: insurance companies are no longer permitted to sell REALLY crappy kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #128

The whole point of the OP is this: Keefer Oct 2013 #140

He is a HUMAN BEING. He is not forced to buy medical insurance. STOP LYING about that, people. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #146

Ah... Keefer Oct 2013 #147

Yep, because in due time, without insurance, he WILL incur medical bills he can't pay. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #152

Okay. Keefer Oct 2013 #155

Enjoy your stay. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #169

So, just suck it up and pay, right? Seeking Serenity Oct 2013 #172

He WANTS insurance, so yeah. And if he makes more than 50K, he's getting a god deal. bettyellen Oct 2013 #185

It's really not even a question of WANTING insurance anymore, now is it? Seeking Serenity Oct 2013 #202

Yes! If you want to shirk responsibility and have resources- you have to pay a penalty. Awesome!! bettyellen Oct 2013 #207

Slow kids? That's how you have a conversation with those who may not agree with you? louslobbs Oct 2013 #164

Yeah, I remember before Obamacare, when premiums didn't rise. n/t Orsino Oct 2013 #316

And I'm sorry this is happening B2G Oct 2013 #85

well duh! never go for a HDHP plan NMDemDist2 Oct 2013 #88

Bingo. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #151

Mislead Much? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #90

A LOT of "Not Covered"s are now covered SoCalDem Oct 2013 #91

It would be very interesting and educational for us if you would check the exchange cui bono Oct 2013 #95

If you were born at sometime in the past, a woman has been charged higher rates to have you. bravenak Oct 2013 #100

+1 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #132

best post of the week! Whisp Oct 2013 #288

Subsidy Calculator at the Kaiser Family Foundation. For all states. It works. DevonRex Oct 2013 #101

ACA put this one up today B2G Oct 2013 #108

LOL! You must not have noticed but they USE the Kaiser site for the subsidy calculation. DevonRex Oct 2013 #137

You also left out the most important thing on that site: the warning at the bottom of EVERY PAGE. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #153

But the ones on the Kaiser site do. So, use the first one to find out which companies and DevonRex Oct 2013 #206

don't pop the propaganda balloon. dionysus Oct 2013 #184

I'm trying to DevonRex Oct 2013 #227

With dental, vision, maternity, and mental health coverage? kentuck Oct 2013 #103

The ACA only covers pediatric dental/vision to age 19... I am in mid 30s so I get nothing. nt ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #242

What were your pre-2010 annual and lifetime maximums? pnwmom Oct 2013 #105

its silly Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #106

Why are you refusing to say wether you get a subsidy or your income? jbond56 Oct 2013 #109

Stop whining. You've got yourself a bronze plan there, and that premium is quite reasonable. I kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #112

The ACA depends on younger healthier people paying more for sicker older people. dkf Oct 2013 #116

Wait. Time out. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #117

The rate on the exchange is the same as what BCBS sent me... sigh... nt ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #123

Whats your income and do you qualify for a subsidy? jbond56 Oct 2013 #124

He refuses to say. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #156

Can you post those figures as well? louslobbs Oct 2013 #168

You're also getting mental health coverage and improved drug coverage. LeftyMom Oct 2013 #119

Then keep the old plan treestar Oct 2013 #127

From a 0 to 50% Copay....you lucked out on that one...what an upgrade. ileus Oct 2013 #131

Essentially, you're upset that you have to help pay for children's health care demwing Oct 2013 #139

I have an idea demwing Oct 2013 #143

I don't see ACA circled anywhere. gulliver Oct 2013 #148

I do sympathize with the fact that your mental health benefits are usless with a $2500 deductible Hippo_Tron Oct 2013 #149

exactly, and all the women in this country paid the insurance bump for birthing you. No more! bettyellen Oct 2013 #187

post your ACA rate now, or this is bullshit. bettyellen Oct 2013 #158

It's weird, several people including myself have asked to see these comparative figures, to no louslobbs Oct 2013 #173

it's not weird, Lou- it's obviously quite deliberate. as a woman who paid extra for maternity care bettyellen Oct 2013 #183

I agree, it's doing what's not only fair, but what's right. Same thing with paying taxes, I like louslobbs Oct 2013 #217

that is exactly it! i feel educating myself to vote thoughtfully and paying taxes is my give back.. bettyellen Oct 2013 #220

I didn't bother to ask, as it didn't make sense anyway. The refusal to answer is consistent with it freshwest Oct 2013 #198

I'll go with "something." n/t louslobbs Oct 2013 #218

Many pieces of information missing. Like... How much money do you make. I'm guessing a fair amount. stevenleser Oct 2013 #160

I just looked at my numbers. Turbineguy Oct 2013 #163

So your subsidy made a big difference. Lex Oct 2013 #186

The subsidy makes a big difference Turbineguy Oct 2013 #192

If you make enough to not qualify for subsidies, you can afford $236 a month. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #195

I've browsed through the posts on this thread, and I wish yours was on top! hedgehog Oct 2013 #210

That is absolute bullshit. Skip Intro Oct 2013 #222

If you live payday to payday, and you don't qualify for subsidies, then you have other problems. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #224

Oh, there's more. Skip Intro Oct 2013 #229

Gee what a swell tale HangOnKids Oct 2013 #232

"I wub creekjdog." Rex Oct 2013 #267

The fellow travelers are all telling the same tale in this thread. And it's laughable. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #257

You hit the donut hole in you Republican controlled state. I replied to you in that thread and PM. stevenleser Oct 2013 #240

Wasting your time. Rex Oct 2013 #268

That's not a rate increase. That's Roselma Oct 2013 #201

This plan useless...you have to hope to get diagnosed with cancer ileus Oct 2013 #203

it's a private plan, LOL. bettyellen Oct 2013 #211

everyone knows that and it's still useless. ileus Oct 2013 #239

No, the OP is useless because it doesn't show comparable exchange policy rates and subsidies. LOL. bettyellen Oct 2013 #266

OMG, upgrading from "Essential" to "Plus" costs more! That's insane! Ian David Oct 2013 #204

Its a mandatory upgrade, if he wants to keep his insurance/doctors darkangel218 Oct 2013 #212

I just downgraded my satellite programming. Now instead of 300 channels of garbage, I only have 150 lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #213

No offense, and I do realize that this is a large increase for you.... moriah Oct 2013 #214

For perspective salin Oct 2013 #216

Boo f@%# ho whoa is me i have to pay $238 a month for insurance... Drew Richards Oct 2013 #223

The premium isn't the only thing that went up . . . markpkessinger Oct 2013 #233

Here's what I found on the ACA before subsidy pacog Oct 2013 #228

the new plan appears to have a lot more benefits samsingh Oct 2013 #230

your current plan sucks balls. If you cant see that you were the sucker at the table.... TeamPooka Oct 2013 #234

Please explain how my current plan "sucks balls"? I racked up nearly $80K in bills two years ago... ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #245

Medical underwriting. You were one of the "free riders" everybody complained about. Recursion Oct 2013 #235

LOL... such vitriol! I'm a "free rider" with low-usage? How do you even know that? ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #243

Our insurance more than doubled uppityperson Oct 2013 #237

Let's be accurate. Your NET payment may be going down do to the subsudies BlueStreak Oct 2013 #279

I do not think the ACA goes far enough, have lots of concern for losers but also want to make clear uppityperson Oct 2013 #294

We need specifics, account data, your entire family Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #244

Sorry, not buying what you're selling here. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #249

Just sell your Obamaphone Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #251

an HSA is basically self insurance BainsBane Oct 2013 #254

****PLEASE POST COMPARABLE EXCHANGE PLANE SO WE CAN ALL SEE, NOT SPECULATION THAT**** uponit7771 Oct 2013 #265

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #305

Another bogus claim without proof. Rex Oct 2013 #269

Perhaps you were unable to see the image I posted... ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #270

You really call that "proof"? Really? rdharma Oct 2013 #276

I do call it proof, since it's pretty clear my rate is going up because of ACA... ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #280

Looks like more drug coverage than you had. Should quickly pay for any increase in premiums. patricia92243 Oct 2013 #277

If I had a daily regimen of prescription drugs, perhaps so. n/t ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #281

Actually, there IS a way to fix this. man4allcats Oct 2013 #278

I know full well what single-payer is and I advocate it wholeheartedly! nt ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #282

Blue Cross/Blue Shield, right? I believe you. LiberalAndProud Oct 2013 #287

The shock doctrine is not just for governments anymore BlueStreak Oct 2013 #291

Agreed. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #295

And why shouldn't you share the cost of insuring for maternity care? democrattotheend Oct 2013 #297

What if a man never marries and never wants children? davidn3600 Oct 2013 #298

Does he never have sex? democrattotheend Oct 2013 #300

He's paying for the "children" who will contribute to social security MADem Oct 2013 #308

Are you making a point or just whining? renie408 Oct 2013 #302

Why am I NOT surprised. L0oniX Oct 2013 #307

I can't believe I went all the way through this thread snooper2 Oct 2013 #309

your prescription drug coverage is much better on your new policy. Sunlei Oct 2013 #311

Ok, you make too much money to qualify for a subsidy and are complaining about $75/mo more?? Roland99 Oct 2013 #315

Single female, age 47, make too much for subsidies, Myrina Oct 2013 #317

can you afford it? pansypoo53219 Oct 2013 #318