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grantcart

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59. Really?

Fri Oct 11, 2013, 12:00 PM

Oct 2013

Please provide an example where I have stated that I don't think disagreement about policy is a good thing and where "any utterances" critical of the Democratic Party is 'heretical' and 'an equivalency' to being a tea bagger.

Your posts, in contrast, seem to suggest that any utterances about the Democratic Party expressing anything but hearty and unequivocal support instantly transform the heretical utterer into a teabagger.

I suggest that you will not find anything close to that and you are inventing it out of whole cloth. I can cite posts in which I have stated exactly the opposite to be true.

I expect you either to prove your point with a clear citation or retract it.

As to your reference to other posts about Terry McAuliffe, those issues should be argued in those threads. It is always amusing when people make references to general posting in DU and assume that people have hours a day to read them. If the OP had linked to any of these threads I would have read them, but my replies are to this OP.

I am curious why any would bother writing negative comments about the painfully boring McAuliffe a few days before the election, what is the point of that?

This OP is about Cali's beliefs.

I am just wondering why in the middle of a major constitutional confrontation and one of the most serious threats to the running of an orderly why anyone one would think that this would be the appropriate time for DU to focus on their own existential clarion statement.

Now as to the "In a calm and measured tone".

You may find statements like

I believe that it is close to being too late to extricate the Democratic Party from this grip.

calm and measured but I find them apocalyptic.

Remember I didn't write an OP about Cali's 'beliefs' Cali did.

Did you expect everyone to simply agree with them or is the reason that you invented completely untrue statements about my positions is that you follow a particular ideological point of view that you will not tolerate any dissent?

I look forward to your response but I won't be able to schedule it in till the end of the day.

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What I believe [View all] cali Oct 2013 OP

k&r Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #1

Well stated. panader0 Oct 2013 #2

Well said Cali. marmar Oct 2013 #3

thank you marmar. that's one of the things I find so frustratring about cali Oct 2013 #4

The pro war, pro spy, pro global corp, pro 3rd way, pro party over truth Dems are very evident. L0oniX Oct 2013 #56

Rec AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #60

+2 reddread Oct 2013 #62

K&R LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #5

Even though you said before that nothing you say here makes a difference, sammytko Oct 2013 #6

no, I said that what's posted here about a candidate doesn't have an impact on cali Oct 2013 #9

Geez, I was trying to be helpful sammytko Oct 2013 #11

Maybe, that's against the rules. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #61

Trade-offs BKH70041 Oct 2013 #7

How do you equate chervilant Oct 2013 #12

I believe in American capitalism. BKH70041 Oct 2013 #32

How is "American capitalism" different than just plain "capitalism". delrem Oct 2013 #98

oic... chervilant Oct 2013 #104

Did you just make that rule up out of thin air? Enthusiast Oct 2013 #85

You would be wrong. Chan790 Oct 2013 #110

k&r nt antigop Oct 2013 #8

Thank you, great post... beerandjesus Oct 2013 #10

Hear hear Cali. zeemike Oct 2013 #13

You have nailed it, Cali. annabanana Oct 2013 #14

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #15

Associating with Democrats at DU must be a most disagreeable experience for you. grantcart Oct 2013 #16

OP isn't talking about members of DU leftstreet Oct 2013 #19

lol I am talking about people who consider themselves members of the grantcart Oct 2013 #21

DINO supporters are a minority here n/t leftstreet Oct 2013 #22

So in your words anyone who considers themselves a Democrat is a DINO. grantcart Oct 2013 #23

LOL nice try. So in your words the OP isn't a Democrat? leftstreet Oct 2013 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2013 #69

the ironic thing, is as you know, I don't attack people for being "DINOs" cali Oct 2013 #28

I am a member of the Democratic party. I have been for decades. cali Oct 2013 #27

wow. I don't expect that kind of ridiculous crud from you. cali Oct 2013 #26

What is astonishing is that you are so completely wrapped up in a narcisstic point of view grantcart Oct 2013 #40

Read the OP again. It is a *conciliatory* message. beerandjesus Oct 2013 #48

thank you. As I explained to grantcart, it's also a riff on the Bertrand Russell/EM Forster cali Oct 2013 #52

Thought so. Bertrand Russell influenced my own thinking quite a bit! beerandjesus Oct 2013 #53

Really? grantcart Oct 2013 #59

good grief. the irony is rich. you are whinging about just what YOU did to me. cali Oct 2013 #63

You can't credibly deny that you were making personal attacks. beerandjesus Oct 2013 #71

uh, you're not familiar with the EM Forester and Bertrand Russell essays cali Oct 2013 #50

run, run, run away from your own ignorance. Lol. cali Oct 2013 #58

Sorry that is off topic grantcart Oct 2013 #64

another false claim. sad. YOU accused me of being narcisisstic. I informed cali Oct 2013 #66

We are here to share what we believe. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #86

thanks that was kind of you cali Oct 2013 #99

"Ted Cruz perspective from the left?" Dead on.....nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #29

really? then you won't have any trouble making that case and cali Oct 2013 #31

Hmmm....a retracted and discredited AP story. A poorly-sourced Politico article. A Wikipedia msanthrope Oct 2013 #37

wow. a fucking disgraceful lie. I NEVER POSTED THAT STORY cali Oct 2013 #39

I never said you posted that story. But you used that story to push your narrative. msanthrope Oct 2013 #45

I most certainly did not. cali Oct 2013 #46

And you used the AP story. joshcryer clearly pointed out to you in this thread that you msanthrope Oct 2013 #49

I did not. And read post 9 in that thread. cali Oct 2013 #51

Cali, your intent may have been good, but severely badly-timed. I can accept that explanation from msanthrope Oct 2013 #79

I wonder if the people trolling you are actually Democrats. beerandjesus Oct 2013 #38

it's their vile disgusting flat out lies that I deplore. cali Oct 2013 #41

You may not care how close this vote was Sissyk Oct 2013 #65

thank you for your concern cali Oct 2013 #75

Of course I don't endorse Sissyk Oct 2013 #80

I don't. Rex Oct 2013 #77

They are not........nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #87

Looks to me like encouragement to self-reflection is disagreeable to you. beerandjesus Oct 2013 #36

thank you. man, I really don't get what in hell is controversial about my op cali Oct 2013 #43

The point of the OP is to speak out about corporate control of the Democratic Party. rhett o rick Oct 2013 #74

Excellent "mission statement", Cali. Sun Tzu has sage advice about "The Art of War"... Surya Gayatri Oct 2013 #17

Absolutely agree, Cali. closeupready Oct 2013 #18

DURec leftstreet Oct 2013 #20

TPP is a bid to greatly advance corporate power worldwide. JEB Oct 2013 #25

the creeping fascism has been obvious for a long time now stupidicus Oct 2013 #30

I would agree with you on that. Savannahmann Oct 2013 #33

oh, but don't you know. the nutcases say I'm Ted Cruz of the right cali Oct 2013 #34

Recently I started to ignore them. Savannahmann Oct 2013 #35

+1. The very wealthy have always run this country and... Bonhomme Richard Oct 2013 #42

Both parties could use to have more faith in creativity and entrepreneurialism starroute Oct 2013 #44

what the CU did maindawg Oct 2013 #47

I believe that ignoring facts for political expediency leads to more corruption too. L0oniX Oct 2013 #54

and stating them leads to furious attacks and cali Oct 2013 #55

Corporations slowly realizing now they went too far ErikJ Oct 2013 #57

But rage, rage Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #67

K & R nt GoneFishin Oct 2013 #68

The usurpation of the Rs right in front of their noses AmBlue Oct 2013 #70

too late? I think this has always been a generational issue that requires eternal vigilance bigtree Oct 2013 #72

K&R raouldukelives Oct 2013 #73

In the shadow of our cowardice, chervilant Oct 2013 #105

there shouldn't be anything controversial about this op. cali Oct 2013 #76

There is nothing controversial about your OP, cali. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #89

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #78

k&r... spanone Oct 2013 #81

Kicked and Recommended! Enthusiast Oct 2013 #82

thanks, Enthusiast. cali Oct 2013 #84

Heh, some here are so accustomed to attack you Celefin Oct 2013 #100

heh. the funny thing is that neither of those things are true cali Oct 2013 #101

But it makes a good narrative ;) Celefin Oct 2013 #103

TPTB have decided that it is just too dangerous to leave this nation in the hands of the people. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #83

What is "the corporate threat?" treestar Oct 2013 #88

the corporate threat is embodied in the spread of cali Oct 2013 #102

Thanks cali, nailed it again. Scuba Oct 2013 #90

When they can assassinate JFK and drive us off a cliff fiscally, livingwagenow Oct 2013 #91

I'm skeptical on most conspiracies... liberalmuse Oct 2013 #94

As Heisenberg would say... liberalmuse Oct 2013 #92

Agree Cali 100% colsohlibgal Oct 2013 #93

"MONEY MONEY MONEY It's a rich mans world..." blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #95

+100000000. You are so right. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2013 #96

IMO, the tea party threat requires our immediate attention ecstatic Oct 2013 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Oct 2013 #106

If corporations own both parties, why are they furious at the GOP right now? randome Oct 2013 #107

I didn't say that. I said a corporate takeover of our democracy is a real threat. cali Oct 2013 #108

If I didn't see your point clearly, that doesn't point to 'dishonesty'. randome Oct 2013 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Oct 2013 #111