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stevenleser

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141. This is an extremely ill-considered OP

Fri Oct 11, 2013, 12:23 PM

Oct 2013

Aside from the obvious fact that it attacks the Democratic nominee for Governor and in doing so repeats dubious information that has partially been debunked, there are unintended consequences here that the OP and those cheering her on have not considered.

Whichever party's nominee captures the governorship is going to likely be able to help move the state's electorate in the direction of their party by a few points in 2016. Hurting McCauliffe here could be the difference in 2016 to Virginia being red or blue.

If I were part of Cucinelli's campaign team, I would be all over the fact that on the most prominent Democratic discussion forum on the web, they are talking about how dirty McCauliffe is. I would grab screenshots and make posters, placards and TV commercials out of it. It's a potential goldmine for Cucinelli's campaign.

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Yes, Terry McAuliffe has a sleazy as hell financial history. [View all] cali Oct 2013 OP

Blind loyalty to McAuliffe seveneyes Oct 2013 #1

thanks and yes. he is up to his neck in filth and he always has been. cali Oct 2013 #2

He's got a (D) by his name Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #89

When it comes to growing our majority in the Senate BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #127

He's running for governor karynnj Oct 2013 #137

Yeah, just found out. So, I'll change that to growing our majority in STATES, then. eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #140

Did you really say that? That we Dems should not care how sleazy a person sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #195

We can't be putting purity tests on politicians. If you do that, Republicans will continue to win BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #199

As a Virginian.... RichGirl Oct 2013 #187

dont back down reddread Oct 2013 #3

thank you and sorry about misinterpreting your posts yesterday cali Oct 2013 #4

not a problem reddread Oct 2013 #5

Once apon a time on DU you couldn't bash Democratic candidates right before an election. FSogol Oct 2013 #6

I agree, wtf! B Calm Oct 2013 #7

Alert away, friend. I have clearly said that I support McAuliffe cali Oct 2013 #8

Thank You Cali. dotymed Oct 2013 #39

I alerted and was APPALLED to find it was 5-1 to leave it. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #182

lol. what a pity. cali Oct 2013 #205

so the sun rises in the West? reddread Oct 2013 #9

Cali don't give a shit... trumad Oct 2013 #10

WOW! B Calm Oct 2013 #11

just feeding Cuccinelli's narrative joshcryer Oct 2013 #12

No. Posting facts, dear. Yes, fact. Trumad is making up cali Oct 2013 #17

Sorry, honey, your article invokes his narrative. joshcryer Oct 2013 #21

"Honey"? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #31

"Dear" "honey" "darling" same difference. joshcryer Oct 2013 #32

What makes you think you're allowed to speak to women in condescending sexual tones? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #41

Probably because Cali used the word Dear? B Calm Oct 2013 #42

And the term "cracker" is license to respond with the n-word, right? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #48

No, but I think you are getting a little carried away here! B Calm Oct 2013 #49

I've no doubt you do. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #58

Anybody that would make a big deal out of the word honey and not have B Calm Oct 2013 #61

I'm sure a lot of guys would think that. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #68

Depends on what the server called me! B Calm Oct 2013 #70

It's what she does... check her transparency Ellipsis Oct 2013 #142

I have seen her do this shit before! B Calm Oct 2013 #179

You're alleging "honey" is equlivent to the "n-word"? joshcryer Oct 2013 #56

Herm? Those are genderless terms. joshcryer Oct 2013 #44

Spoken with the ease of born privilege. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #53

I used a synonym for "dear" and you're calling privilege? joshcryer Oct 2013 #57

Your so born to privilege you don't/won't recognize it. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #65

"you're" joshcryer Oct 2013 #66

hahahaha reddread Oct 2013 #69

You got me! The thread is yours! Oh cruel fate. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #71

Much of her shtick is "honey", "sweetie", "dearie". Pick another fight, because this one ... 11 Bravo Oct 2013 #174

cali frequently uses the honey, dear, cupcake Whisp Oct 2013 #117

It does not. that's flatly untrue. cali Oct 2013 #40

Oops, 30% of the paragraphs in that article support Cuccinelli. joshcryer Oct 2013 #46

baloney. you love making stuff up. cali Oct 2013 #52

I counted. joshcryer Oct 2013 #60

post 'em. post those paragraphs that you claim are pro-Cuccianelli cali Oct 2013 #77

You've been Ackbarred Orrex Oct 2013 #114

that is a Flat Fucking LIE. I NEVER POSTED THAT STORY. I never cali Oct 2013 #13

yelp! yelp! Whisp Oct 2013 #118

Heh... BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #135

honey badger reddread Oct 2013 #20

Look Pal... trumad Oct 2013 #22

Hasn't really been a hard rule since DU3.0 joshcryer Oct 2013 #25

why not? It shouldn't be allowed. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #183

It is against DU rules to not support a dem candidate. It is NOT against the rules cali Oct 2013 #29

Please trumad Oct 2013 #36

not at all reddread Oct 2013 #30

I gotta say, cali really got to you on this one, trumad quinnox Oct 2013 #173

It's a wiki article. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #16

yeah, and one with citations and there are thousands of news stories cali Oct 2013 #19

Denial or realpolitik? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #23

Do "these" people not want to clean-up our party? dotymed Oct 2013 #51

thank you so much, dotymed. cali Oct 2013 #55

The election is in less than a month. That's your choice: Cuccinelli or McAuliffe. FSogol Oct 2013 #78

Really? dotymed Oct 2013 #109

So, if you lived in VA, you wouldn't vote for McAulliife? FSogol Oct 2013 #111

I would probably do as I have done dotymed Oct 2013 #115

McAuliffe's greed? Reminds me of the WAPO article that accussed Hilary Clinton of being FSogol Oct 2013 #116

not true Enrique Oct 2013 #26

I agree. Posts get alerted and shut down for personal slights but tearing a Democratic... Walk away Oct 2013 #103

I'm asking myself the same question. n/t FSogol Oct 2013 #105

Totally agree. DontTreadOnMe Oct 2013 #185

I agree. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #130

Quit whining and alert! Define "bash"! Nt Logical Oct 2013 #171

It is pointless to alert on anything less that someone calling someone else Hilter. FSogol Oct 2013 #172

Eat much sour grapes???? OldRedneck Oct 2013 #14

and YOU recall fucking wrong. I NEVER POSTED a thing about that story cali Oct 2013 #33

Did any of this change Terry McAuliffe poll numbers littlewolf Oct 2013 #15

no, and it's unlikely too. I'm glad of that. As I've said, I'll take a sleazy corrupt, corporate cali Oct 2013 #18

That's a sorry menu if those are the only 2 choices to order from. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #27

It is indeed. And also sorry are all these lies being peddled that I endorsed cali Oct 2013 #34

With demeaning sexist undertones. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #43

Reminds me of the Louisiana governor election... BlueCheese Oct 2013 #163

As a Virginian countingbluecars Oct 2013 #24

+1 B Calm Oct 2013 #28

Also a Virginian and in complete agreement with you Neurotica Oct 2013 #35

+ bigtree Oct 2013 #37

I understand your point and I would have if people weren't pushing the flat out lie cali Oct 2013 #38

True, nothing you post here will make a difference sammytko Oct 2013 #45

other than defending oneself from lies and attacks that occur here reddread Oct 2013 #50

I know I'm a bit of a martinet when it comes to being honest cali Oct 2013 #59

So....your online reputation is more important than keeping VA from getting a right-wing governor. jeff47 Oct 2013 #120

I doubt very much that cali's posts will end up getting the Republican elected. BlueCheese Oct 2013 #164

For every Cali posting, there's several dozen Calis talking with their friends and neighbors. jeff47 Oct 2013 #165

I most heartily concur. What we need to do is turn out in large numbers and WCLinolVir Oct 2013 #86

+1000 Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #101

how many of your fellow Virginians get their opinions from DU? frylock Oct 2013 #156

As a Virginia Dem and local committee member, I think we need to acknowledge facts. leveymg Oct 2013 #47

thanks so much, leverymg. cali Oct 2013 #64

Better Believe It! MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #54

evidently, facts are inconvenient for some people and some don't give a shit cali Oct 2013 #62

Did you even click on the link? B Calm Oct 2013 #63

the link to the story I posted? Yes. read the whole piece. cali Oct 2013 #73

Was Terry McAuliffe found guilty in a court of law for fraud? B Calm Oct 2013 #67

did I ever make that claim? and my but you set the bar about as low as cali Oct 2013 #72

In this country we are Innocent until proven guilty! B Calm Oct 2013 #74

and free from unreasonable search and seizure reddread Oct 2013 #76

bzzzt. at least learn something. No, that is NOT true cali Oct 2013 #82

I take it, then, that you have/will Union Scribe Oct 2013 #191

If you can charge Terry McAuliffe for a crime, why don't you go for it! B Calm Oct 2013 #202

You keep claiming he is corrupt. That's language straight from Cuccinelli's campaign. FSogol Oct 2013 #80

I hate to break this to you but that's language that's been applied to him for close cali Oct 2013 #88

I was wrong about one thing when I posted that the day after TM lost the nomination to Deeds leveymg Oct 2013 #100

definitely not, did anyone say such a thing? reddread Oct 2013 #75

You keep posting a link to the source story that AP pulled. FSogol Oct 2013 #81

cali, bashing a Dem nominee weeks before an election is a nono scheming daemons Oct 2013 #79

+1 B Calm Oct 2013 #83

I've said I support him over Cuccianelli and I do, but I will not fucking whitewash him. cali Oct 2013 #84

your "facts" can wait until after the election scheming daemons Oct 2013 #85

Exactly! B Calm Oct 2013 #87

those aren't "facts" and they aren't "mine". They fucking FACTS cali Oct 2013 #91

And I'm sorry you couldn't support our candidate in PA Walk away Oct 2013 #106

which candidate is that? reddread Oct 2013 #113

Sorry, Va. Walk away Oct 2013 #138

Well, aren't we self-righteous............. Beacool Oct 2013 #214

Remember when people use to call him Terry McAwful? ProSense Oct 2013 #90

I never posted that AP story. I sure as shit did not endorse it. Ever. cali Oct 2013 #93

You seemed ProSense Oct 2013 #94

False. In that thread I post repeatedly that the story was bullshit, pro cali Oct 2013 #99

That wasn't a smear and this isn't either, PS. leveymg Oct 2013 #102

VA-Gov: Howard Dean Fundraises For Terry McAuliffe (D) ProSense Oct 2013 #92

Uh, I've said I support him, pro. which you know. cali Oct 2013 #97

I am not into whitewashing, but I think a more constructive post WCLinolVir Oct 2013 #95

Sometimes you hold your nose and vote. This is one of those times. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2013 #96

This is at the top of that Wikipedia article, which is being disputed, Cali: MineralMan Oct 2013 #98

I'm sorry, MM, but anyone paying attention to McAuliffe over the past cali Oct 2013 #104

I do not care for McAuliffe, but I refuse to post disparaging articles about him BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #139

MM. If you can dispute any facts presented in the OP, please do so. Otherwise, you too know how leveymg Oct 2013 #107

Well done, cali Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #108

LOL trumad Oct 2013 #112

why? I've made it quite clear what I think of Cuccianelli. cali Oct 2013 #121

I just thought it would be convenient to have all their financial histories in one thread Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #133

Incredibly helpful post, right before the election. nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #110

+1 B Calm Oct 2013 #119

Don't you think the wider DU readership needs to know what we in VA are already painfully aware of? leveymg Oct 2013 #122

I am forced to come to the conclusion that partisanship trumps reason and facts cali Oct 2013 #123

Partisanship is not irrational in zero-sum elections. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #125

what a crock. I've said repeatedly that I support Terry M, but I will NOT cali Oct 2013 #129

Calling McAuliffe corrupt and sleazy, echoing the Cucincelli's attacks on him, is not rational geek tragedy Oct 2013 #131

I don't see any intent to echochamber Cuc's campaign here. leveymg Oct 2013 #143

intent is irrelevant--that which reinforces the Cuch's message reinforces it regardless geek tragedy Oct 2013 #144

That we're having this argument is an indication of how leveymg Oct 2013 #146

False equivalence. Mcauliffe is not perfect, but he's sane and holds the right position geek tragedy Oct 2013 #147

The issue isn't positions. Nobody here is arguing there is any equivalence there. leveymg Oct 2013 #148

then blast his opponants with Ops. trumad Oct 2013 #134

The campaign on both sides has been almost entirely negative. The concern is that if we go any leveymg Oct 2013 #145

learn how to spell, tru. cali Oct 2013 #162

awww the old spelling comeback trumad Oct 2013 #166

Partisanship is healthy and necessary in politics. Hiding your head in the sand isn't. leveymg Oct 2013 #126

They need to know there's an election within weeks where a far-right wing homophobe geek tragedy Oct 2013 #124

I'm forced to believe some on DU smear Innocent people that B Calm Oct 2013 #132

so, by your way of "thinking", George W bush is pure as the driven snow cali Oct 2013 #161

If you can charge Terry McAuliffe for crime, why don't you go for it! B Calm Oct 2013 #177

wow. that was impressively lame. cali Oct 2013 #206

and so was your orignal post! B Calm Oct 2013 #207

bwahahahaha. cali Oct 2013 #208

Your original post was to try to depress the turnout B Calm Oct 2013 #209

no, it wasn't. not even close. but it's cute of you to fake cali Oct 2013 #210

Is he from Chicago? Or ever been to Chicago? If so, he's OK and better than Repubs. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #128

Is this an attempt to surpress VA turnout? You do realize Medicaid expansion is on the line, right? ecstatic Oct 2013 #136

Good point. Another potential unintended consequence of this OP. stevenleser Oct 2013 #151

and kittens reddread Oct 2013 #152

Really? Link? nt stevenleser Oct 2013 #153

fixed n/t reddread Oct 2013 #154

how will this supress VA turnout? how many Virginians are even aware of DU's existance? frylock Oct 2013 #157

Trickle down effect. Believe it or not, all kinds of people come to DU for talking ecstatic Oct 2013 #160

so the prevailing progressive view here does not reflect the Reality-Based Real World Realists.. frylock Oct 2013 #167

This message was self-deleted by its author quinnox Oct 2013 #169

I think it may well even be more convoluted and inane than that but that seems to be the gist. TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #176

it's a whole lot of eating and keeping of cake.. frylock Oct 2013 #186

more truth in this one thread reddread Oct 2013 #188

This is an extremely ill-considered OP stevenleser Oct 2013 #141

A whole thread of whining about, in essence, telling the truth about our awful corporate candidate. TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #149

exactly reddread Oct 2013 #150

thanks. wish I found it more hilarious than frustratring cali Oct 2013 #155

Sadly, I'm still a few years' planning away from starting my run in VA Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #184

Mcauliffe is sleeze Egnever Oct 2013 #158

Well, the two choices in VA are McAuliffe and Cuccinelli. Beacool Oct 2013 #159

I don't know much about Mcauliff, except he used to be on political talk shows quinnox Oct 2013 #168

Oh. Such purity. Nothing in the world is pure white. nt bluestate10 Oct 2013 #170

bzzt. please note that I said McAuliffe should be supported cali Oct 2013 #203

.. no allegation of wrongdoing by McAuliffe or that he or other investors knew of efforts to defraud Tx4obama Oct 2013 #175

self delete this pile of garbage Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #178

+1 B Calm Oct 2013 #180

did you just find out McAuliffe was Running for Governor ? JI7 Oct 2013 #181

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #189

That is BS. ALL dems in Virginia need to go and VOTE for the DEMOCRAT! Tx4obama Oct 2013 #190

And it's hilarious that it's the same people Union Scribe Oct 2013 #192

lol, so true quinnox Oct 2013 #194

if Terry loses is it forced vaginal ultrsounds for women who choose to have abortions? Liberal_in_LA Oct 2013 #193

and where the fuck do I say he should lose?? To the contrary cali Oct 2013 #204

ok ok Liberal_in_LA Oct 2013 #211

what i don't get is why didn't people have concerns early on before he became the Nominee JI7 Oct 2013 #196

they did, but not about YESTERDAYS NEWS reddread Oct 2013 #198

I never liked this sleazeball.. 2banon Oct 2013 #197

eh color me jaded steve2470 Oct 2013 #200

that may be - but proper decorum requires that we cover this up or at least downplay it until after Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #201

He's a total scumbag. Adenoid_Hynkel Oct 2013 #212

Hey I have an idea Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #213

Cali, you must be a Republican! Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2013 #215

I just looked at some polls, and Mcauliffe is winning. So all the angst quinnox Oct 2013 #216