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JDPriestly

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213. I joined this website around the time of the 2004 elections.

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 06:44 PM

Dec 2011

I walked many precincts and tabled and called and really campaigned hard for Kerry/Edwards in 2004.

So, a lot of the disgruntled Democrats here are activists who have been extremely active and loyal to the Democratic Party for many years.

I wore my Adlai Stevenson button when I was in grade school.

I campaigned for McGovern. I lived overseas for some years, but when I returned I got active in politics again and campaigned for Democratic candidates many, many times.

We are genuine Democrats here. In fact, I was campaigning for McGovern when Obama was just a child. And he wasn't born when Stevenson ran.

It is people who have been stalwart Democrats all their lives -- and some of the lives have been very long -- who are disgusted with a lot of Obama's cabinet choices and policies. I am a Democrat. That I know. But is Obama??????

I will vote for Obama as I have for other Democratic candidates about whom I had doubts. But I would like to see an end to the corruption in D.C. I genuinely hoped that Obama had the courage and strength to open up D.C., but apparently I was wrong.

Don't be down on us. We are the Democratic Party. If Obama wants to get re-elected, he needs to do a lot more to make us enthusiastic. We are the guys who get out and walk precincts and talk to voters. He has made that hard for us.

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Why the arguments of Obama's defenders leave many cold. [View all] jpgray Dec 2011 OP

Shorter version: Obama is our nominee. tridim Dec 2011 #1

I've always supported him warrior1 Dec 2011 #2

Right, I don't see why non supporters are still trying to convince us he's a terrible President treestar Dec 2011 #106

he's a terrible President AlbertCat Dec 2011 #128

Well according to Obama.... SammyWinstonJack Dec 2011 #160

What is the country that most of the worlds emigres want to immigrate too? I'm totally unbiased, I demosincebirth Dec 2011 #308

The richest one of course. No surprise and no reason for pride. GOTV Dec 2011 #340

Please name a "great president" flamingdem Feb 2012 #395

+1 nt gateley Dec 2011 #172

I agree, President Obama inherited a lot of shit and sometimes I do not agree with some of his akbacchus_BC Dec 2011 #323

did you say Obama defenders are 'morally bankrupt and contemptible?' bigtree Dec 2011 #3

Yup, ProSense Dec 2011 #12

well, the new system will let it stand on this new DU (I was just informed) bigtree Dec 2011 #20

This is a Democratic refuge, the Obama refuge I've been told is called the BOG, Lionessa Dec 2011 #56

Then it is permissable for non-supporters of the leader of the Democratic Party to call those Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #67

Many of the people who are critcle of Obama not only voted for him UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #174

That includes almost everybody I know. tblue Dec 2011 #196

I never called a poster that criticised Mr. Obama 'morally bankrupt' and an 'addict'. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #204

Nope. You can't BlueCaliDem Dec 2011 #254

A big HELLO to that peace frog Dec 2011 #353

exactly-- me too. I am not just disappointed with Obama, I am disgusted with him. spooked911 Dec 2011 #361

Blind faith is for the other side. Muskypundit Dec 2011 #211

Name calling is so like 'the other side', too. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #225

I agree with most of the OP. It would have been a better OP Muskypundit Dec 2011 #229

The real problem with that is, that WAS the message. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #238

thank you. Exactly as I feel. n/t Ed Suspicious Dec 2011 #298

Not to mention the fact that the President himself... green917 Dec 2011 #360

Message deleted by the DU Administrators fordangelina40 Feb 2012 #381

why not? you call anyone who criticizes him a Republican voter StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #287

Link to where I have ever done so, please. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #306

I don't bookmark such trash, it is commonly done, most here have seen it & I was generally referring StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #307

You were referring to *me* directly. You cannot back it up, so you deflect. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #313

how about this? back the fuck off of me! StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #317

What part of that is not true? Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #318

then link it & you don;t know what a person is registered Dem or other StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #319

Rec this post!!! MNBrewer Dec 2011 #190

Classy. Arkana Feb 2012 #404

What is the goal here? JDPriestly Dec 2011 #152

Goals mean nothing without Estevan Dec 2011 #170

But just what is the goal? JDPriestly Dec 2011 #187

The situation is thus: Estevan Dec 2011 #198

The payroll tax cut weakens the underlying principles of Social Security. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #203

That "payroll tax cut undermines s.s" Estevan Dec 2011 #207

I wouldn't have a clue as to what Fox News says. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #265

Republican Senators Push False Argument That Payroll Tax Cut Will Undermine Social Security shellgame26 Dec 2011 #269

Replacing Social Security taxes with general fund revenues is what I personally object to. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #284

I agree with you 100% jtown1123 Feb 2012 #387

Not true. Democratic seniors groups are highly critical of the payroll tax cut jtown1123 Feb 2012 #386

and to address that other RW talking point Estevan Dec 2011 #220

and here's what I don't understand about the unreasonable persons: They think that if they Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2011 #216

That is why it is so important that we here on DU JDPriestly Dec 2011 #226

Thank you so much for your thoughtful post. You understand what many of us need to be doing. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2011 #232

There have been many threads here on the new DU3 in GD regarding ... Tx4obama Dec 2011 #250

I have to check whether I am on the research forum. Great idea. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #290

Finding actual texts of proposed/passed legislation is very easy. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2011 #348

Thanks. Bookmarked it. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #369

But, on many issues such as privatization of schools JDPriestly Dec 2011 #266

He's not moving backwards. He's working within the constraints of a Congress that we gave him in Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2011 #354

When given a choice between backing a progressive or backing a Blue Dog, JDPriestly Dec 2011 #370

You're right. I was highly upset that he butted in the Blanche Lincoln race, so I agree with you Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2011 #380

It was Bill Clinton that slammed liberals and unions for challenging Blanche Lincoln in a primary. AtomicKitten Feb 2012 #400

no if voters are moving away from Obama then he should realize he needs to win them back b4 they StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #289

Yes, push him towards the action we want. But bitching on an online forum does NOT constitute Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2011 #351

Right on shellgame26 Dec 2011 #239

hmph chervilant Dec 2011 #246

I never said it was wrong to criticize President Obama Estevan Dec 2011 #262

I've seen a lot of defending of Obama without analysis, but not so much JDPriestly Dec 2011 #267

Never said i agree with all of his policies Estevan Dec 2011 #270

There is so much emotion on this topic because the euphoria JDPriestly Dec 2011 #278

Thank you. jtown1123 Feb 2012 #390

PS chervilant Dec 2011 #249

Yes you are right Estevan Dec 2011 #261

The payroll tax cut is fucking stupid, given that 48% of the population-- eridani Dec 2011 #288

I really wish we extended Making Work Pay instead. Much better stimulus. n/t jtown1123 Feb 2012 #391

Politics is not the Monty Hall Problem. Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #326

We only get one vote when November comes. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #407

You know your list of things is something that takes time...if you look at what it would take... Evasporque Feb 2012 #399

In this world there are those who get it, and those who dont. Muskypundit Dec 2011 #214

I saw a post hidden earlier today because a poster was called immature or something Kahuna Dec 2011 #255

You left off the last half of the sentence, which was eridani Dec 2011 #281

I grow so tired of the ENDLESS cheerleading...... Logical Dec 2011 #38

You get so tired of hearing anything positive? treestar Dec 2011 #107

Why can't we give valid complaints about Obama without being slammed or dismissed? And why.... Logical Dec 2011 #113

Why should you be able to post anything without getting opposed? treestar Dec 2011 #158

As a pretty consistent Obama detractor, you do a lot of "slamming". CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #177

Should we cheer getting a free pint at the pub while the pub AllyCat Dec 2011 #115

I doubt it but what has that got to do with anything? treestar Dec 2011 #159

That is what we are getting with this Administration AllyCat Dec 2011 #368

Why not? treestar Dec 2011 #373

I guess this is where we disagree. I don't think he's fighting. AllyCat Dec 2011 #377

Perhaps it is the way that criticism is posted? Tx4obama Dec 2011 #256

Maybe we would all benefit if we simply tried to be honest when we JDPriestly Feb 2012 #411

Yes. Jpgray thinks we are morally bankrupt and contemptible. Thanks SO MUCH jpgray! DevonRex Dec 2011 #16

This thread is allowed to remain open. If I had started a thread like this questioning the moral Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2011 #22

Thank you SO MUCH DU jurors for KEEPING this disgusting post. DevonRex Dec 2011 #27

I've left DU and came back. I leave for a period, then come back. Were it not for BOG, I may think Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2011 #224

it's not as if one couldn't be devised. A little policy discussion and then the hook bigtree Dec 2011 #30

OTOH, it lets us know exactly where we stand on DU, doesn't it? DevonRex Dec 2011 #31

I'm sorry but inane threads scolding people are allowed to stand here too. This is a reasoned bettyellen Dec 2011 #39

Fuck that shit. Calling Democrats morally contemptible and bankrupt is over the line. DevonRex Dec 2011 #40

It's not an attack on all Democrats, just some who act in a particular way. JVS Dec 2011 #51

Sure. Just Obama supporters. None of those here, right? Fuck that shit. DevonRex Dec 2011 #52

you are totally mistaken about the "all or nothing" nature of being an Obabma supporter bettyellen Dec 2011 #59

Then you agree that OP has created a strawman emulatorloo Dec 2011 #146

I see poster after poster here assuming JP, I and others are not "supporters" because they believe bettyellen Dec 2011 #240

That is simply false, the OP speaks of 'defenders' not supporters and yet you rewrite and then Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #102

You're correct it's not an attack on all Democrats... one_voice Dec 2011 #103

And again, the Moderators haven't done anything about this. Had I started an OP calling Obama Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2011 #233

you are missing the point completely Skittles Dec 2011 #219

& calling Dems Republicans or Republican-enablers is fine with you/or supporters in general StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #291

it's just a well-couched attack on Obama supporters bigtree Dec 2011 #50

no, it's a message from an Obama supporter abut how this 100% perfect rah rah rah stuff is bettyellen Dec 2011 #61

the '100% rah-rah' accusation is an outright lie bigtree Dec 2011 #188

I know that some people right in this thread believe ANY criticism is out of line, and that somehow bettyellen Dec 2011 #241

bigtree, why do you support Obama? JDPriestly Dec 2011 #155

don't be dense. The OP is insulting and offensive bigtree Dec 2011 #189

bigtree, I'm trying to help you argue your case better. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #205

my case on this thread is against the broad brush attacks against Obama supporters bigtree Dec 2011 #215

why can't you just respond to JDPriestly's questions? Skittles Dec 2011 #227

because it's a bullshit deflection bigtree Dec 2011 #302

no it isn't Skittles Dec 2011 #320

it's fucking deflection bigtree Dec 2011 #331

But, but... he's just trying to help you argue your case better! Number23 Dec 2011 #295

I'll bite...here is why... Evasporque Feb 2012 #398

Great answer. Thanks. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #413

Which would explain the dearth of Democrats here, no? Number23 Dec 2011 #175

I joined this website around the time of the 2004 elections. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #213

Nonsense. I think the vast majority of Obama critics eridani Dec 2011 #285

It has happened twice in the last several days when I have alerted threads like this, only to learn Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2011 #212

You are exactly right. JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #336

What ProSense Dec 2011 #4

If PoorSense says it's garbage, you must be onto something. izquierdista Dec 2011 #9

Well, izquislingdripsta, I can make up names too. n/t ProSense Dec 2011 #23

I don't agree with most of what ProSense says, but namecalling is inappropriate. AllyCat Dec 2011 #122

I think it's a very clear and accurate analogy. Do you care to explain exactly why you disagree bettyellen Dec 2011 #13

Well, ProSense Dec 2011 #18

okay, more name calling. You have confused "having issues" with being a "purist", LOL. bettyellen Dec 2011 #32

Yeah, ProSense Dec 2011 #33

the denial part is when you refuse to acknowledge issuses, and just label the person a "purist", bettyellen Dec 2011 #43

Here ProSense Dec 2011 #48

the OP cites examples of a phenomenon here, and says SUPPORTof the Pres is GOOD, you ignore this bettyellen Dec 2011 #57

Wait ProSense Dec 2011 #62

I'm expecting people to address the issues raised in the OP. instead of cherry picking a word bettyellen Dec 2011 #70

omg uponit7771 Dec 2011 #379

after Bush got re-elected in 2004 hfojvt Dec 2011 #65

This ProSense Dec 2011 #72

as the OP said hfojvt Dec 2011 #98

Yes, they would have ended if Obama had done nothing, BUT the unemployment benefits extention Tx4obama Dec 2011 #257

+1 nt Poll_Blind Dec 2011 #153

If Obama had the kind of Democrats that LBJ had, along with the supermajority that he did, Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2011 #221

Well, as drug-addicted moron with retarded ideas, I can sympathize! sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #137

Tell it, Sabrina. Why aren't Obama supporters happy? They've got their president! tblue Dec 2011 #208

how many names did they call voting Dems? "professional Left, Retarded Left, Left Fringe"...add any StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #299

Whactivists NashVegas Dec 2011 #356

A question quakerboy Dec 2011 #268

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2011 #378

Last time warrior1 Dec 2011 #5

I'd love to see a poll of who hear voted. tblue Dec 2011 #209

See, this comment is part of the problem. What you are saying is that politicians sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #222

Obama has done nothing analogous to FDR's Ron Green Dec 2011 #6

Some of us have noticed the cabinet. mmonk Dec 2011 #7

It's no longer the 1930's. tridim Dec 2011 #15

That's why I said "analagous." And if you're correct that he's used Ron Green Dec 2011 #21

Big issues like getting the hell out of Iraq? tridim Dec 2011 #29

He's certainly better than the Repubs, just as PBS is better than Ron Green Dec 2011 #34

+1 nt Vanje Dec 2011 #46

easy enough to provide links then, so I & others can bookmark it, it can also be printed & put in StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #303

Hate to break it to you, Obama does a weekly address every Saturday emulatorloo Dec 2011 #120

It's not enough. Ron Green Dec 2011 #228

What are you proposing exactly? emulatorloo Dec 2011 #230

I dunno; I'm not a real media savant, but Ron Green Dec 2011 #253

Did you see any coverage of Obama's speech at Osawatomie, Kansas the other day? emulatorloo Dec 2011 #292

Fireside chats worked back then because the majority of people ONLY HAD A RADIO. Tx4obama Dec 2011 #260

in the DEPRESSION? no, radio worked because it was new & not yet controlled by monied interests StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #305

Do you think that the folks that aren't watching his Weekly Address videos now Tx4obama Dec 2011 #309

wow low standards....ok then StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #310

I think the videos that Obama has been making now and sending out ... Tx4obama Dec 2011 #312

Most things we consider lost are simply things we do not value enough to look for. LanternWaste Dec 2011 #364

President Obama releases a Weekly Address 'every week' Tx4obama Dec 2011 #258

I'm sure some seniors had missed that StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #311

As I noted upthread, that's all well and good but it is in NO WAY comparable to the magnitude of Ron Green Dec 2011 #365

Here's a link to Obama's most recent call-out on the republicans Tx4obama Dec 2011 #366

Indeed I did, and this is more like it. Ron Green Dec 2011 #367

+1 k&r n/t Laelth Dec 2011 #8

more incessant whining? I'll pass. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #10

Hogwash liberal N proud Dec 2011 #11

And the cheer leaders are usually "Obama is Perfect" types and not reality based. No difference. Logical Dec 2011 #42

NO!!!!!!!! liberal N proud Dec 2011 #126

I will have to disagree with you on that one. Tx4obama Dec 2011 #263

I think your defination of "constantly" is different than most! Logical Dec 2011 #300

Yes, their demands have to be met. treestar Dec 2011 #110

du rec. nt xchrom Dec 2011 #14

So, you think Obama supporters are morally bankrupt and contemptible, too? DevonRex Dec 2011 #17

you're welcome. nt xchrom Dec 2011 #19

Huh. Interesting. nt DevonRex Dec 2011 #28

get the money out of politics. stonecutter357 Dec 2011 #197

you point out an irony with some of Obama's accomplishments Enrique Dec 2011 #24

"morally bankrupt and contemptible" ... bwahahahahaha!!!! JoePhilly Dec 2011 #25

Funny, it reminds me of Teddy Roosevelt. Who said: Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #108

Where did I claim "No Criticism" ... the OP makes an INSANE claim. JoePhilly Dec 2011 #279

Throne. aquart Feb 2012 #389

ROFL Scurrilous Dec 2011 #26

Obama supporters: Now we know EXACTLY where we stand on DU - sewer level. DevonRex Dec 2011 #35

you are taking the "purist" approach and ignoring 2/3 of the OPs content. Calm down. bettyellen Dec 2011 #45

I will NOT fucking calm down after having been called morally contemptible and bankrupt & an addict DevonRex Dec 2011 #47

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #60

"however minor... is seized upon as a perfectly sane excuse to entirely abandon" rational discussion bettyellen Dec 2011 #73

Or the response of the falsely accused. mythology Dec 2011 #81

get the money out of politics. stonecutter357 Dec 2011 #199

Did you NOT read the short version?! Who needs the 2/3rds?! vaberella Dec 2011 #182

"Obama's defenders are unassailable as regards what should be done in the next election." nashville_brook Dec 2011 #36

Yes! "we have a responsibility to steer our party in the direction of morally supportable policy" bettyellen Dec 2011 #49

i think there's a consumerist mentality that accepts pols "off the rack" as if there's no democracy nashville_brook Dec 2011 #273

This is the crudest, most hurtful, disgusting OP I've ever seen on DU re Obama supporters. DevonRex Dec 2011 #37

It's a hit-and-run too. LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #68

The endless cheer leading gets old. There is not real way to have a valid.... Logical Dec 2011 #41

Yeah, have a valid discussion by labeling those on the other side 'morally bankrupt' and 'addicts'. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #231

The president took office with a very weak Democratic majority in power. They didn't even impeach Overseas Dec 2011 #44

the most outrageous part of this flamebait thread bigtree Dec 2011 #53

But OP showed up in a pro Obama thread, claiming he/she is a supporter. DevonRex Dec 2011 #55

I think it defends itself. jpgray Dec 2011 #69

YOu're sorry? You wrote it. Called us morally contemptible, bankrupt addicts. DevonRex Dec 2011 #71

He aplogised, so please now address the substance of the post. bettyellen Dec 2011 #77

If he's sorry he wll post an apology OP. And DevonRex Dec 2011 #80

I'm sure if you (or anyone)had a rational response to the points made in the OP, it would have been bettyellen Dec 2011 #86

ha ha, playing the purist game, are we? bettyellen Dec 2011 #125

No, he offered a non-apology "apology" emulatorloo Dec 2011 #114

Yeah, the old "I'm sorry you were offended" bit that seems to be so heavily favored Number23 Dec 2011 #178

When a thread begins the way this does and ends the way it does...there is no substance. vaberella Dec 2011 #186

wow, you really are having a hard time comprehending the OP. the part where Obama supporters can bettyellen Dec 2011 #236

If you're sorry, delete it. LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #74

What ProSense Dec 2011 #75

he explained EXACTLY what he was thinking clearly and yet you refuse to discuss the issues. bettyellen Dec 2011 #79

Well ProSense Dec 2011 #82

You continue to avoid the substance of the OP. That's interesting. bettyellen Dec 2011 #85

Do ProSense Dec 2011 #93

have at it. Ron Paul is picking up a lot of youth support because Dems have kept their heads down, bettyellen Dec 2011 #99

Wouldn't ProSense Dec 2011 #101

another diversion, shucks. I thought you were actually going to critique the OP for a change! bettyellen Dec 2011 #109

Silly you. That's all they ever have, diversions, and nothing more. A Simple Game Dec 2011 #242

I went back to see if you took your insults of Obama supporters out bigtree Dec 2011 #87

The problem with Obama's "defenders" SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #54

You ProSense Dec 2011 #63

Thank you SomethingFishy, you laid out the problem perfectly. canoeist52 Dec 2011 #131

Same here, SomethingFishy: I.Have.No.Choice. jtrockville Dec 2011 #252

I Agree With The OP Completely... ChiciB1 Dec 2011 #346

Well.Said. Octafish Feb 2012 #392

thank you newspeak Feb 2012 #394

Bingo. If the office of the President is as powerless as portrayed by his fans, Edweird Dec 2011 #58

...and few here are willing to admit the intellectual dishonesty the OP is refering too. bettyellen Dec 2011 #64

Here's ProSense Dec 2011 #66

refusing to discuss the OP's point... about simply wanting to have it both ways, is bullshit. bettyellen Dec 2011 #76

I ProSense Dec 2011 #78

I am an Obama supporter who is disgusted by the simple minded thought that it's 100% or 0.... bettyellen Dec 2011 #83

Well, ProSense Dec 2011 #90

the OP took the time to show big flaws in reasoning, you took time out to fling labels and dismiss. bettyellen Dec 2011 #95

Ah ProSense Dec 2011 #112

wow, you have still no idea what the OP said, or are pretending not to. Good luck with that! bettyellen Dec 2011 #118

No ProSense Dec 2011 #142

nope, try again bettyellen Dec 2011 #235

I prefer BORG hootinholler Dec 2011 #94

If you are truely that sensitive about name calling perhaps A Simple Game Dec 2011 #243

What is this weird habit you have of starting a sentence, then putting a quote in the middle, Maven Dec 2011 #259

straw man treestar Dec 2011 #111

Really? You're gonna go there? You realize that DU has a 'search' feature, don't you? Edweird Dec 2011 #116

Then you should search for posts where DU'ers claim Obama is powerless. emulatorloo Dec 2011 #136

The idea that the president is "powerless" is always a snarky retort treestar Dec 2011 #161

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have winner here, folks! closeupready Dec 2011 #301

Very thoughtful. "We must vote for the better candidate in this election" - Zorra Dec 2011 #84

This. I will vote for Obama, but work for those who are UNAFRAID to work towards my ideals. bettyellen Dec 2011 #88

So very well stated! hootinholler Dec 2011 #97

Times two... i_sometimes Dec 2011 #141

Perfectly stated Zorra suffragette Dec 2011 #147

Very elequently put. LiberalLovinLug Dec 2011 #148

Bravo, Zorra! bettyellen Dec 2011 #237

We can't treat politicians in our party as if they are above criticism Matariki Dec 2011 #89

And I don't understand why every disagreement along these lines is "squelching discussion." Robb Dec 2011 #92

People are alerting on each other like crazy for 'criticizing Obama' Matariki Dec 2011 #100

it's perectly fine to call supporters cultists, morally bankrupt, on and on and on, yet STILL people dionysus Dec 2011 #105

You lost me when you said I was "morally bankrupt" MineralMan Dec 2011 #91

Teddy Roosevelt said: Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #117

Did you miss that the 'criticism' (aka insult) was directed at DU MEMBERS who are Obama supporters - MH1 Dec 2011 #121

The OP does not say 'supporters' much less 'all of Obama's supporters' Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #156

I am a defender who is offended. Yup - happy now? I figured it was pretty obvious. MH1 Dec 2011 #173

Have you ever criticized an action of Obama's Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #328

Maybe people disagree with you on those actions? treestar Dec 2011 #372

And speaking of 'dishonest tactic' - YOUR words - MH1 Dec 2011 #176

He didn't say all of Obama's supporters. Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #329

That's fine, and I have no trouble with criticism. MineralMan Dec 2011 #138

Well then you misread the OP and also rewrite it. Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #154

What condescending crap. I hope you didn't devote a lot of time to it. great white snark Dec 2011 #96

i hope you enjoy the next 5 years of the Obama presidency. dionysus Dec 2011 #104

Seems like Obama supporters only get to enjoy DU a few months DevonRex Dec 2011 #119

Yep. Welcome to the new DU. MH1 Dec 2011 #123

The "community standards" appear to be that we're a lower caste. DevonRex Dec 2011 #124

wow, do you ever adress the issues, or is all about you you you? bettyellen Dec 2011 #127

lol La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2011 #132

lol... i_sometimes Dec 2011 #144

So ProSense Dec 2011 #162

Was this whole meant to attack you? So he thought he'd be BETTER off DevonRex Dec 2011 #171

Dishonest at best. i_sometimes Dec 2011 #362

Welcome to DU... SidDithers Dec 2011 #223

Yes, I will and thank you. i_sometimes Dec 2011 #363

Perhaps it is time for you to come to the realisation sibelian Dec 2011 #181

I don't care I'd they do or don't. DevonRex Dec 2011 #185

I have already posted a response to you on this subject in "meta" sibelian Dec 2011 #202

did it ever occur to you...that...it isn't about you? nashville_brook Dec 2011 #277

Wow, you are just begging for a thread titled ... frazzled Dec 2011 #129

I think this raises a good point quinnox Dec 2011 #130

And the haters don't threaten to not vote? great white snark Dec 2011 #134

yes it does quinnox Dec 2011 #135

Well, I'm glad you were able to discern a point out of that. great white snark Dec 2011 #139

You seem to think reminders that there are three branches of government emulatorloo Dec 2011 #133

Amen. There are people who need to take a civics class. Seriously. n/t vaberella Dec 2011 #191

'Obama defenders' where the fuck am i? spanone Dec 2011 #140

Why do you think "the veto pen" gives the President much leverage at all? Why would Republicans care BzaDem Dec 2011 #143

Imagine the mess the country would be in had the POTUS done treestar Dec 2011 #157

If a person WANTS to be offended, they will be. dorksied Dec 2011 #145

So. ElboRuum Dec 2011 #150

I respectfully disagree angrychair Dec 2011 #169

I'm not sure what to make of posts like this. gulliver Dec 2011 #149

Then I will try to make it clearer jpgray Dec 2011 #163

Why do you want 4 more years of this? Marnie Dec 2011 #165

I won't speak for the poster, but I would assume most people would greatly prefer 4 more years BzaDem Dec 2011 #168

Hmmm? ProSense Dec 2011 #200

Yes, Obama has done some evil things. Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #330

you present a cogent and forceful argument here and in the OP -- those who refuse to hear nashville_brook Dec 2011 #276

Your post was the best thing about this thread Number23 Dec 2011 #179

Well, this is a fun thread. progressoid Dec 2011 #151

The POTUS has the ultimate weapon, the veto. Marnie Dec 2011 #164

Obama better jbpdx Dec 2011 #166

If by "many" you mean Estevan Dec 2011 #167

The 21% is how many he's lost completely. Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #332

If only I had a list of all the people who rec'd this trash they would go on my IGNORE list. vaberella Dec 2011 #180

You have a list. Just click the square above the rec button. MH1 Dec 2011 #183

Thanks. n/t vaberella Dec 2011 #192

You DO have a list of everyone who Recc's a post Vanje Dec 2011 #184

Thanks. Your listed as one of the people who recc'd this. n/T vaberella Dec 2011 #193

Well sure. But shouldnt stop me from being helpful Vanje Dec 2011 #195

its already been sent to jury and the verdict was let it stand quinnox Dec 2011 #194

Looks like juries are trying Cameron27 Dec 2011 #201

Do you have a link to Skinner's comment in Meta? Tx4obama Dec 2011 #272

He's commented a few times in the same meta thread... Cameron27 Dec 2011 #283

Thanks again :) n/t Tx4obama Dec 2011 #286

get the money out of politics. stonecutter357 Dec 2011 #357

If ever there was a thread that needed to be unrec'd...nt SidDithers Dec 2011 #206

........... Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #217

Poor Sid Vanje Dec 2011 #274

Hey, you made it over... SidDithers Dec 2011 #280

Yes, Indeed. Vanje Dec 2011 #282

A lot of sites have thumbs up and thumbs down - separated. tabatha Dec 2011 #294

That's funny--I thought many were left cold because they're Republicans, idiots, or worse... TreasonousBastard Dec 2011 #210

I want to rec this thread, but "morally bankrupt and contemptible" leaves me feeling cold. DRoseDARs Dec 2011 #218

Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between George Bush and Al Gore greenman3610 Dec 2011 #234

DING! DING! DING! Remember 84% of progressives approve of President Obama. mikekohr Dec 2011 #245

I'm not an Obama defender. Texasgal Dec 2011 #244

"They are morally bankrupt and contemptible regarding" tabatha Dec 2011 #247

"the better candidate will resemble Huntsman or Romney before too many elections" Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #248

"What progressive goals would a Huntsman or a Romney advance us towards better than Obama?" Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #335

"Obama is to the right of Bob Dole on many core issues." You're picking the "core" issues, right? Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #339

If anything, it is posts like this that leave ME cold. nt BlueMTexpat Dec 2011 #251

"not only in terms of action but rhetoric" napoleon_in_rags Dec 2011 #264

That's some high-grade bullshit right there. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #271

Well, that sucks. Wait Wut Dec 2011 #275

+ infinity JTFrog Dec 2011 #345

Well said, jpgray. REC. nt bertman Dec 2011 #293

If it's such a "powerless office" how come so many millions are spent to get to it? begin_within Dec 2011 #296

The OP is delusional in thinking anyone has suggested the President is powerless. vaberella Dec 2011 #324

Isn't a broad attack on a segment of DUers a TOS violation? nt stevenleser Dec 2011 #297

you'd think so, but a jury is letting it stand bigtree Dec 2011 #304

Not any longer, it would seem. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #314

Thank you sellitman Dec 2011 #315

Way to strike a nerve! JVS Dec 2011 #316

Aside from being nothing more than an opportunity to insult those whom you either mischaracterize patrice Dec 2011 #321

That was a long essay, are you Nance Greggs opposite? No matter how you try to spin it, akbacchus_BC Dec 2011 #322

The goal is not to remove Obama from the Oval Office Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #327

He controls his advisers and controls his veto pen.... vi5 Dec 2011 #325

His critics seem to think him a magical beast, like a unicorn or wizard, Scootaloo Dec 2011 #333

His defenders seem to think is is many things other than the anti equality dogma Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #334

Sanctity my ass Scootaloo Dec 2011 #338

amen scootaloo well said! leftyohiolib Dec 2011 #342

Specifics please cyberspirit Dec 2011 #337

maybe people will go out and vote this time leftyohiolib Dec 2011 #341

Really, really Le Taz Hot Dec 2011 #343

Nothing compared to how his usual critics make many feel. JTFrog Dec 2011 #344

As I've said before, this isn't about who will be President in 2013. Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #347

We need him to continue doing exactly what he's been doing. JTFrog Dec 2011 #349

While caving to the Republicans left and right Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #350

"The charges are familiar" JTFrog Dec 2011 #352

Again, I don't deny he's done good Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #355

I'm glad you can see the good. JTFrog Dec 2011 #358

Have been thinking about what this & a few other things, lately, mean about DU3. patrice Dec 2011 #359

This OP has left me cold. Swede Dec 2011 #371

Re-reading this, you know, the presidency was meant to be "weak." treestar Dec 2011 #374

I have the same ideals I had before Obama Marrah_G Dec 2011 #375

There will always be those Puzzledtraveller Dec 2011 #376

Almost as dangerous as JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #383

How did this come back to page 2 today? Does DU 3 have a blind kick feature? JVS Feb 2012 #382

Kick Better Believe It Feb 2012 #384

Post #381 above was the kicker... SidDithers Feb 2012 #401

Weird. I was able to see 381 after logging out and saw it JVS Feb 2012 #403

I won't forget the "They are(Obama supporters), morally bankrupt and contemptible.", remark NNN0LHI Feb 2012 #385

I won't forget it either. Ever. Or who said it. And that Admin condoned leaving this post alone. DevonRex Feb 2012 #405

Verbosity always leaves me cold. aquart Feb 2012 #388

You know what leaves me cold? jpgray Feb 2012 #417

I think the Democratic Party is still liberal, progressive and vibrant.... Evasporque Feb 2012 #393

Purity and perfection don't exist anywhere in reality Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #396

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Careful doling out life lessons from a high horse. AtomicKitten Feb 2012 #402

Wow. This is like the thread that won't die. n/t renie408 Feb 2012 #406

To all those who recced this: DevonRex Feb 2012 #408

meta fly-paper AtomicKitten Feb 2012 #409

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The above post was DevonRex Feb 2012 #415

I've Been Here a While and jpgray has always been pretty even-handed fascisthunter Feb 2012 #410

So it's okay by the jury to namecall now?....("addicts"; "contemptible"; "morally bankrupt")? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #414

K&R woo me with science Feb 2012 #416